UK had 'one or two' Brexit teething issues on fishing, minister says

[Rookiescot]

39 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I have mentioned in previous posts that I did not vote for it. You really do have selective memory.

 

As for drivers not taking 40 hour breaks in EU. You'll find it was quite standard pre Brexit for lorry drivers to take as many breaks as possible at home. That way the employers don't need to pay. If they are away during their breaks they are still on away from home rates. Drivers that are near to needing their 40 hour break simply won't be sent long haul. Simple business planning.

 

You are creative if nothing else.

So what is the driver in Poland supposed to do? Not go there in the first place? Lose income by refusing to take jobs? Or is there some magical method by which transport companies can teleport trucks around the planet in order to facilitate your fantasy?

Was this an issue prior to Brexit?

Yes or no will do.

[Albert Zweistein]

On 2/9/2021 at 11:49 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

We all see all these huge advantages from Brexit, more jobs, more international trade and lots of happy sovereign people. It's like Christmas for everybody.

I am sure soon those fishermen will join the rest of the happy UK.

/sarcasm off

 

On the dole ?

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

 

You are creative if nothing else.

So what is the driver in Poland supposed to do? Not go there in the first place? Lose income by refusing to take jobs? Or is there some magical method by which transport companies can teleport trucks around the planet in order to facilitate your fantasy?

Was this an issue prior to Brexit?

Yes or no will do.

You have clearly never been involved haulage.

 

The whole system is quite simple to work out. Managing drivers' workloads, covering jobs, shifts, holidays and sickness. It's called management. All part of the business.

 

Not sure which question I am supposed to answer YES or NO to.

[Albert Zweistein]

On 2/9/2021 at 1:10 PM, Surelynot said:

.......and all the empty lorries....another fiction from the extreme left wing papers?

........and the poor daffodil growers. Only 25 % of the flowers were picked because of shortage of labour from the EU. The rest is rotten on the land...........

[Loiner]

21 hours ago, tebee said:

interesting that you quote the one million figure for Brits in Spain - the number registered with the authorities there is around 330,000. So there  are potentially 660,000 there trying to live under the radar and avoid paying taxes.

 

France will be doing the same, but we have up until June to register here - they are still processing my application from last October. There are also believed to be 100,000 Brits living in France without any documentation and not paying taxes - I know a few.

 

I'm sure there is a number of EU citizens in the UK doing pretty much the same thing, so yes there is the potential to deport them too.

 

It's going to disrupt 100 of thousands people lives 

 

And there is great potential to create another windrush generation.

 

It's also going to unsettle a good number of legal immigrants - and the ones that will leave will be the ones with qualifications in demand - the computer programers, the nurses and doctors - do you really want to lose those ?     

So you think 100s of thousands will be disrupted, but only had headlines  for 500? Whatever the number, no papers - No sympathy. 
 

The Windrush generation didn’t formalise their papers - No sympathy. 
 

A number (unknown but good) of computer programmers, nurses and doctors may become unsettled. That’s up to them, they even have papers to stay  - No sympathy. 

[Loiner]

13 hours ago, Mavideol said:

not sure, maybe, if, but, will see....   which one do you chose???  did you read about the UK guy Shaun Cromber or did you read the news lately

 

https://global247news.com/2021/03/26/tears-flow-for-brits-as-they-head-home-to-avoid-being-deported-as-illegals-in-spain/amp/?fbclid=IwAR15A8TWaGg0OKSy2AiRusAg5ypRg_nCsYPYEEDmP9mNWMGXpwbyL0v0fvQ

Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain

 

 

Did you read the previous posts lately?

There will be no tears shed in the UK for illegals. I’ve already told you - we don’t care. 

[Rookiescot]

5 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

You have clearly never been involved haulage.

 

The whole system is quite simple to work out. Managing drivers' workloads, covering jobs, shifts, holidays and sickness. It's called management. All part of the business.

 

Not sure which question I am supposed to answer YES or NO to.

 

Was this an issue prior to Brexit?

[youreavinalaff]

7 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Was this an issue prior to Brexit?

Yes. Haulage firms have been balancing shifts, jobs, holidays, sickness cover and rotas for years and years.

 

Neither the drivers nor their managers want 40 hours breaks to he taken away from home. 

Edited March 30, 2021 by youreavinalaff

[Rookiescot]

30 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Yes. Haulage firms have been balancing shifts, jobs, holidays, sickness cover and rotas for years and years.

 

Neither the drivers nor their managers want 40 hours breaks to he taken away from home. 

Was the limited number of days drivers could spend in the EU an issue prior to Brexit?

[Rookiescot]

10 hours ago, Loiner said:

Did you read the previous posts lately?

There will be no tears shed in the UK for illegals. I’ve already told you - we don’t care. 

And none for those in Spain either?

Edited March 30, 2021 by Rookiescot
typo

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And none for those in Spain either?

Those in Spain are illegals also, why didn't they register I hear you asking and I agree with you.

 

"These are people who have been flying under the radar for a long time when they should have registered their residence in the country and didn’t for whatever reason,” said Sue Wilson, the chair of Bremain in Spain, a group campaigning for the rights of British migrants living in Spain.

“If they are unable to prove they were resident before 31 December and get entitlement to remain in Spain, they now face a 90-day deadline to leave the country.

“Many are still planning to do the same and think the Spanish will either turn a blind eye or will take time to get their act together to enforce the law. But they are kidding themselves. These rules are rules that have applied to third-country nationals for years and the Spanish authorities have no catching up to do."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/29/britons-in-spain-face-three-month-visa-free-limit-under-post-brexit-rules

 

 

[Surelynot]

16 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And none for those in Spain either?

No way British citizens should have to apply for anything......we are British after all.

[candide]

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

Those in Spain are illegals also, why didn't they register I hear you asking and I agree with you.

 

"These are people who have been flying under the radar for a long time when they should have registered their residence in the country and didn’t for whatever reason,” said Sue Wilson, the chair of Bremain in Spain, a group campaigning for the rights of British migrants living in Spain.

“If they are unable to prove they were resident before 31 December and get entitlement to remain in Spain, they now face a 90-day deadline to leave the country.

“Many are still planning to do the same and think the Spanish will either turn a blind eye or will take time to get their act together to enforce the law. But they are kidding themselves. These rules are rules that have applied to third-country nationals for years and the Spanish authorities have no catching up to do."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/29/britons-in-spain-face-three-month-visa-free-limit-under-post-brexit-rules

 

 

Probably in order to avoid paying taxes in both Spain and UK.

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Probably in order to avoid paying taxes in both Spain and UK.

Exactement.

[youreavinalaff]

35 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Was the limited number of days drivers could spend in the EU an issue prior to Brexit?

No.

 

Like I said, the nature of driving and the law regarding breaks, means that many drivers are well under the 90 days limit.

 

Let me give you an example from my first hand knowledge:

 

Day 1, Drive from Tilbury to Scotland.

Day2, Load Scottish Beef and drive to Dover.

Day3, Drive to Spain.

Day4, Continue drive to Spain. Tip beef in Spain and collect oranges. Start return journey.

Day5, Continue drive back to Tilbury and tip oranges.

Day 6 and 7, 40 hour break.

 

There you go. A typical week for a long distance driver. Maximum of 3 days per week in EU countries. That gives 30 weeks to use up the 90 days. I believe that there are only 26(ish) weeks in 6 months.

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

No.

 

Like I said, the nature of driving and the law regarding breaks, means that many drivers are well under the 90 days limit.

 

Let me give you an example from my first hand knowledge:

 

Day 1, Drive from Tilbury to Scotland.

Day2, Load Scottish Beef and drive to Dover.

Day3, Drive to Spain.

Day4, Continue drive to Spain. Tip beef in Spain and collect oranges. Start return journey.

Day5, Continue drive back to Tilbury and tip oranges.

Day 6 and 7, 40 hour break.

 

There you go. A typical week for a long distance driver. Maximum of 3 days per week in EU countries. That gives 30 weeks to use up the 90 days. I believe that there are only 26(ish) weeks in 6 months.

Every other week a driver is allowed to take only 24 hours break instead of the 45 hour break.

 

 

Edited March 30, 2021 by vogie

[youreavinalaff]

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

Every other week a driver is allowed to take only 24 hours break instead of the 45 hour break.

 

 

Yes, you can. However, after having been on the road for 5 days, 2 days off is the preferred break.

 

 

Edited March 30, 2021 by youreavinalaff

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

No.

 

Like I said, the nature of driving and the law regarding breaks, means that many drivers are well under the 90 days limit.

 

Let me give you an example from my first hand knowledge:

 

Day 1, Drive from Tilbury to Scotland.

Day2, Load Scottish Beef and drive to Dover.

Day3, Drive to Spain.

Day4, Continue drive to Spain. Tip beef in Spain and collect oranges. Start return journey.

Day5, Continue drive back to Tilbury and tip oranges.

Day 6 and 7, 40 hour break.

 

There you go. A typical week for a long distance driver. Maximum of 3 days per week in EU countries. That gives 30 weeks to use up the 90 days. I believe that there are only 26(ish) weeks in 6 months.

 

Excellent if your drop point and pick up are close. Often they are not.

So drop beef Spain. Pick up carrots in Poland.

Now how does that affect your itinerary? 

[7by7]

On 3/28/2021 at 5:40 PM, Loiner said:

You’ve tried that enough times before and I’m still not going to pander to you. You’ve (collectively) had the benefits many times before. 

 

I have certainly asked that question many times before; as have others.

 

Yet, despite your claim, neither you nor anyone else has ever been able to come up with an answer. 

 

Go on; prove me wrong by finally providing one.

 

On 3/28/2021 at 5:40 PM, Loiner said:

I won’t be wasting by time trying to persuade you. Didn’t you have my benefit posts deleted before? You are beyond hope. 

 

What a feeble excuse.

 

How could I have had any posts deleted?

 

Even had I reported any of your posts, which I haven't, they would only have been deleted had they broken the forum rules. Did they?

[Mavideol]

20 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

 

Shaun Cromber said

 

20 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

“I’ve loved living on the Costa del Sol and after 5 years can’t believe it has come to this, we applied but got rejected and so have no choice, although long term I think the Spanish will regret chucking us out of Spain”

      regret what ??? maybe the other way around,  the UK will regret checking out of the EU

[Mavideol]

14 hours ago, Loiner said:

Did you read the previous posts lately?

There will be no tears shed in the UK for illegals. I’ve already told you - we don’t care. 

isn't Shaun Cromber from the UK ? are you saying he's considered a UK illegal  555

Edited March 30, 2021 by Mavideol

[bkkcanuck8]

29 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Shaun Cromber said

 

      regret what ??? maybe the other way around,  the UK will regret checking out of the EU

It is something you often here from arrogant expats - they are the chosen ones and wherever they go - that country is lucky to have them and if the country applies their immigration rules ... and they are not accepted... it is the loss of that country...  The person voted to exit the EU, the rules changed... and he either did not take the application process seriously or just was deficient in the immigration requirements.    The fact that he failed to even consider that this could be the result... I just don't think he could ever be considered a loss for Spain.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

It is something you often here from arrogant expats - they are the chosen ones and wherever they go - that country is lucky to have them and if the country applies their immigration rules ... and they are not accepted... it is the loss of that country...  The person voted to exit the EU, the rules changed... and he either did not take the application process seriously or just was deficient in the immigration requirements.    The fact that he failed to even consider that this could be the result... I just don't think he could ever be considered a loss for Spain.

The very fact they call themselves expats and not migrants tells you all you need to know.

Some of them are even economic migrants but refuse to accept it.

But of course you need to understand the mindset of these people. Spain needs them more than they need Spain.

Or Thailand needs them more than they need Thailand.

[bkkcanuck8]

20 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

The very fact they call themselves expats and not migrants tells you all you need to know.

Some of them are even economic migrants but refuse to accept it.

But of course you need to understand the mindset of these people. Spain needs them more than they need Spain.

Or Thailand needs them more than they need Thailand.

 

There are multiple sides to the coin here.  Semantically, I  would say the difference between an expat and an immigrant is intent or legality of the visa/status that is being used to reside in a country other than those that you were born.  An immigrant is someone who is migrating permanently (i.e. someone that is either working towards or applying for 'permanent residency').  An expat is someone who is migrating temporarily for work.  In Thailand the retirement visa is effectively a temporary visa not much different than a long time tourist - as such most retirees would be considered expats.  A maid who is on a temporary work permit - I would consider an expat -- though typically there tends to be a distinction by many thinking that expats are educated or better off people... and the connotation for use of immigrant is that only poor people immigrate.... I would say this connotation is more an issue with the UK class system rather in North America (since at one time all of the 'westerners' were a melting pot of immigrants).  People retiring to Spain I would have classed more as immigrants since the expectation from both sides was that they had the right to reside there and both had the expectation of permanency to this residency, but after Brexit of course things all changed.  

[youreavinalaff]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Excellent if your drop point and pick up are close. Often they are not.

So drop beef Spain. Pick up carrots in Poland.

Now how does that affect your itinerary? 

Like I said before, you clearly have never been involved in haulage.

 

Just as well.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Like I said before, you clearly have never been involved in haulage.

 

Just as well.

So in what way am I wrong?

[youreavinalaff]

15 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So in what way am I wrong?

If you really can't work that out, it just hammers home my comment about your lack of knowledge regarding haulage.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

If you really can't work that out, it just hammers home my comment about your lack of knowledge regarding haulage.

 

Ah but you see I do understand haulage and its vastly more complicated than your simplistic example.

How often does someone drop and pick up from the same location? Which was the example you gave in order to demonstrate your unrealistic timeline. Not very often.

 

Then you have to factor in the drop point not being ready for you or indeed your distant pick up. Which you only find out about when you arrive there.

You see its not just fruit, veg and beef that moves around is it?

Much of the freight is high value bulk chemicals which can ONLY be sourced in factories in the EU. We dont make them in the UK. Many of these tanker barrels are specific to the chemical they are transporting. They are valuable and in short supply so you cant just leave it in a layby while you jump across to the UK to stock up on Yorkie bars.

So disruption to manufacturing at either end has a massive knock on effect.

Then factor in road closures, ferry disruption because of industrial action or weather and of course because of Brexit the paperwork not being right. Driver illness. Breakdowns. Holidays. Maximum working hours directives.

So your "Haulage for dummies" example is totally inept. 

[youreavinalaff]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Ah but you see I do understand haulage and its vastly more complicated than your simplistic example.

How often does someone drop and pick up from the same location? Which was the example you gave in order to demonstrate your unrealistic timeline. Not very often.

 

Then you have to factor in the drop point not being ready for you or indeed your distant pick up. Which you only find out about when you arrive there.

You see its not just fruit, veg and beef that moves around is it?

Much of the freight is high value bulk chemicals which can ONLY be sourced in factories in the EU. We dont make them in the UK. Many of these tanker barrels are specific to the chemical they are transporting. They are valuable and in short supply so you cant just leave it in a layby while you jump across to the UK to stock up on Yorkie bars.

So disruption to manufacturing at either end has a massive knock on effect.

Then factor in road closures, ferry disruption because of industrial action or weather and of course because of Brexit the paperwork not being right. Driver illness. Breakdowns. Holidays. Maximum working hours directives.

So your "Haulage for dummies" example is totally inept. 

Indeed. If you look at my previous posts, you will see that I mentioned business management. Nice to see that you now see my point.

 

Oh. You are forgetting one thing. Cargo that is only made in the EU and is being shipped to UK, especially chemicals that need specific trailers to transport them, will be delivered to UK. By that I mean by the EU company using EU drivers.

 

I guess, in your blinkered vision, you forgot that this is a 2 way thing. 

 

 

[Rookiescot]

48 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Indeed. If you look at my previous posts, you will see that I mentioned business management. Nice to see that you now see my point.

 

Oh. You are forgetting one thing. Cargo that is only made in the EU and is being shipped to UK, especially chemicals that need specific trailers to transport them, will be delivered to UK. By that I mean by the EU company using EU drivers.

 

I guess, in your blinkered vision, you forgot that this is a 2 way thing. 

 

 

 

Really?

I met many UK drivers with loads from EU chemical companies.

However I do agree its going to be a two way thing.

As if THAT helps anyone.

Brexit. The gift that keeps on taking.

Nice to see that you now accept that haulage is not as simple as the example you wished to portrait. 

Its also nice to see you backtracking on my "lack of knowledge".