UK had 'one or two' Brexit teething issues on fishing, minister says

[vinny41]

Brexit? No problem on our side, says Port of Calais Boulogne chairman

He told The Loadstar the French gateway had experienced “no problems” since the end of transition period on 31 December.  

Mr Puissesseau said: “At the very start of January, around 45% of trucks coming from the UK were being asked to park and go through additional checks, but this is down to about 12%, with another 3% of freight volumes coming via ferry being subject to customs controls.”  

https://theloadstar.com/brexit-no-problem-on-our-side-says-port-of-calais-boulogne-chairman/

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

If it feels just dandy, then it is just dandy.

 

 

What more evidence do you need......... evidence will not make it feel just dandy for you, so just don't bother. 

So you require evidence from others it is not dandy, but since you feel all is dandy no evidence required for that.

 

Talk about living in a bubble, LOL.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

 

Selective quotations to distort the thread are not allowed on this forum, and are particularly disingenuous...

 

Try using the full quotation in future.

My quote didn’t distort anything. In fact, a full-quote would have, because the rest of your post wasn’t relevant to your assertion I was commenting on. It was about something different and unrelated, so removing it from the quote makes this forum more easy to read. Not sure if you ever had to write an academic paper but you typically don’t copy/paste the whole book of someone else but only cite what is relevant to your own argument. 

 

 

 

[hotandsticky]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

So you require evidence from others it is not dandy, but since you feel all is dandy no evidence required for that.

 

Talk about living in a bubble, LOL.

 

 

I had a feeling that you might be the one to bite......????????

[RayC]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Brexit? No problem on our side, says Port of Calais Boulogne chairman

He told The Loadstar the French gateway had experienced “no problems” since the end of transition period on 31 December.  

Mr Puissesseau said: “At the very start of January, around 45% of trucks coming from the UK were being asked to park and go through additional checks, but this is down to about 12%, with another 3% of freight volumes coming via ferry being subject to customs controls.”  

https://theloadstar.com/brexit-no-problem-on-our-side-says-port-of-calais-boulogne-chairman/

 

A reduction in freight volumes might also be a factor in the relative lack of problems

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-28/majority-of-lorries-crossing-channel-to-france-are-empty-as-brexit-hits-trade

[Sujo]

51 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

I had a feeling that you might be the one to bite......????????

Hope the fish do.

[Surelynot]

...and yet it was all going so well?

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1399337/brexit-news-eu-european-union-financial-services-netherlands-city-of-london-companies

 

THE NETHERLANDS has celebrated poaching UK firms after more than 200 companies moved to the country following Britain's departure from the EU.

 

A record 550 businesses are also in discussions with the agency about relocating to the Netherlands.

This is an increase of 425 last year.

[CG1 Blue]

8 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Any evidence for your wild and unsubstantiated claims? 

Until I see evidence that the GDP fall mentioned in the pro-EU Bloomberg Finance report is real and can be wholly attributed to Brexit, then I have nothing to prove. Until then it is just tripe. 

[Tofer]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Perhaps you could present some evidence to support your view that everything is just dandy.

 

I didn't make the statement that needs justifying...

[Mavideol]

15 hours ago, Hi from France said:

if the experts working for the commission are finding "Irish boats are guilty of overfishing" it probably means that "Irish boats are guilty of overfishing.'

 

and of course the fisher's magazine is not happy. Who would be?

 

Anyway we have exactly the same problem with fishermen of other countries, who tend to overfish to increase their profits, this is not an Irish issue

yahh, Chinese do it all the time all around the world, for them no territorial waters, did Irish boats learn from them

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

yahh, Chinese do it all the time all around the world, for them no territorial waters, did Irish boats learn from them

I dont think china is in the eu.

[7by7]

17 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

More 'finger in the air' nonsense from Pro-EU Bloomberg Economics. And some people actually believe this tripe ???? 

 

People like the anti EU, pro Brexit Daily Express: How much has Brexit cost? The staggering amount for UK taxpayers.

 

Yes, they base that article on the figures from both Bloomberg and Full fact; but they do not dispute them nor provide alternatives!

 

Can you?

[Mavideol]

10 minutes ago, Sujo said:

I dont think china is in the eu.

you would be surprised if you exactly knew where they are .... comment used as a figure of speech

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

the pro-EU Bloomberg Finance report

Any news outlet that is not “pro-EU” since they all have been reporting about the Brexit failure? ???? 
 

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Until I see evidence that the GDP fall mentioned (...) is real and can be wholly attributed to Brexit, then I have nothing to prove. Until then it is just tripe. 

Only 2020 is a forecast, and only 2020 saw Covid as another major factor that could impact GDP significantly. So feel free to exclude that year. And keep in mind that the Bloomberg analysis didn’t even include the bad trade deal and it’s implications on trade yet. 

[CG1 Blue]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

People like the anti EU, pro Brexit Daily Express: How much has Brexit cost? The staggering amount for UK taxpayers.

 

Yes, they base that article on the figures from both Bloomberg and Full fact; but they do not dispute them nor provide alternatives!

 

Can you?

The article you posted says: 

 

There is no definitive figure for the cost of Brexit so far.

A report from Bloomberg Economics estimates that Brexit has set Britain back to the tune of £130 billion so far.

 

So again, this is just parroting the Bloomberg 'report'. And that report is behind a Bloomberg paywall - in other words it's clickbait. 

The Full fact reference was about how much we paid to the EU - nothing to do with the Bloomberg clickbait report. 

 

If you can provide the breakdown of those Brexit costs I'll happily debate it. 

 

Edited February 18, 2021 by CG1 Blue

[7by7]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

The article you posted says: 

 

There is no definitive figure for the cost of Brexit so far.

A report from Bloomberg Economics estimates that Brexit has set Britain back to the tune of £130 billion so far.

 

So again, this is just parroting the Bloomberg 'report'. And that report is behind a Bloomberg paywall - in other words it's clickbait. 

The Full fact reference was about how much we paid to the EU - nothing to do with the Bloomberg clickbait report. 

 

If you can provide the breakdown of those Brexit costs I'll happily debate it. 

 

 

Odd that, according to you, the proudly anti EU, pro Brexit Express is happy to provide click bait for a news organisation you describe as "Pro-EU Bloomberg Economics!"

 

Care to explain your reasoning behind that?

 

Had you bothered to read it, you would know that the Full Fact article is not just "about how much we paid to the EU - nothing to do with the Bloomberg clickbait report!" It is investigating the claim that "One estimate of the “economic cost” of Brexit, £130 billion, now exceeds what we’ve paid in to the EU over 47 years" and uses, among other evidence, the Bloomberg figures. 

 

I have come up with figures; the estimates from Bloomberg quoted by both the Express and Full Fact. They are estimates because, as Full Fact say, "Bloomberg Economics told us that the £200 billion figure it came up with was an estimate, as it’s impossible to be sure what the economy would have looked like if the UK had voted to remain in the EU in 2016."

 

Full Fact appear to have accepted that estimate, the Express more so as it's the basis of their headline "How much has Brexit cost? The staggering amount for UK taxpayers."

 

Unlike Full Fact and the Express, you are disputing that estimate; so where are your alternative figures? 

 

[stevenl]

11 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

I had a feeling that you might be the one to bite......????????

Nothing to do with biting, only with a poster making posts that are not well thought through.

[7by7]

More on the cost of Brexit from the Institute for Government. Some estimates, some known figures.

 

Brexit spending: government preparations Up to July 2020)

Quote

By the end of 2020/21 the government is expecting to have spent up to £8.1bn[1] on preparing for Brexit and the end of the transition period.

The government's figure, not the authors.  A full break down of how that figure was reached is given in the article.

 

That's a lot of money spent by the government; more than the UK's average net contribution of £7.7 billion p.a. between 2014 and 2018 (Source: HoC library).

 

That is just money spent by the government; or to be accurate the UK taxpayer. It does not include the cost to the economy nor the cost to individual businesses; exporters to and importers from the EU.

[candide]

10 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Until I see evidence that the GDP fall mentioned in the pro-EU Bloomberg Finance report is real and can be wholly attributed to Brexit, then I have nothing to prove. Until then it is just tripe. 

It 's not like Bloomberg could be considered as a reliable economic information provider! For example, It's not like nearly any company heavily involved in financial investments would ever subscribe to its services! ????????????????

[Surelynot]

12 hours ago, Hi from France said:

yeah this is bad

 

I read that relations between Gove and Maroš Šefčovič were improving

 

 

 

Frost is far more radical than Gove, his approach in the recent negotiations was "take no prisoners".

 

 

So "bad times ahead".

 

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-puts-brexit-chief-david-frost-in-cabinet/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/17/lord-frost-replaces-michael-gove-minister-brexit-britain/

 

 

As an unelected official, not answerable to the electorate it is easy to play the hard-man, screw things up and walk away.....he can allows fall back on his £300 a day expenses from the Lord's.

 

At least Gove does interviews and is answerable for his actions tot he electorate.....Frosty the no man can just do whatever.......an unelected bureaucrat just like the ones in Brussels.

Edited February 19, 2021 by Surelynot

[Surelynot]

10 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

There is no definitive figure for the cost of Brexit so far.

Well that's a no brainer....and there never will be....and if the Tories have their way.....it will all get buried with Covid plus 120,000 dead)

[vinny41]

11 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

As an unelected official, not answerable to the electorate it is easy to play the hard-man, screw things up and walk away.....he can allows fall back on his £300 a day expenses from the Lord's.

 

At least Gove does interviews and is answerable for his actions tot he electorate.....Frosty the no man can just do whatever.......an unelected bureaucrat just like the ones in Brussels.

Frosty reports to Gove so if the UK public want they can removed Gove through an election

The UK public were never in a position to remove anyone from the EU commission through an election

[vinny41]

12 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

?

If you fully quoted me you wouldn't need the ?

Once again just for you

Frosty reports to Gove so if the UK public want they can removed Gove through an election

The UK public were never in a position to remove anyone from the EU commission through an election

If Labout win the next General Election its highly unlikely that Gove and Frosty would remain as  part of a Labour cabinet 

Edited February 19, 2021 by vinny41
additional info

[JonnyF]

9 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Looks like you will be  disappointed

The appointment was swiftly welcomed by Euroskeptics on the Conservative benches, with David Jones, deputy chair of the pro-Brexit European Research Group, describing it as an “excellent” move.

https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-puts-brexit-chief-david-frost-in-cabinet/

 

 

Great news and well deserved. We need someone like Frosty the NoMan to stand up to the EU bullyboys. 

 

After a tough few months, Boris has done a great job with the vaccine rollout and now with this excellent appointment he seems to be getting things well and truly back on track.

 

Pound doing well also. Onwards and upwards.????

 

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/15020-pound-sterling-benefits-from-strongest-real-money-gbp-buying-ever

 

 

[Rookiescot]

31 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Great news and well deserved. We need someone like Frosty the NoMan to stand up to the EU bullyboys. 

 

After a tough few months, Boris has done a great job with the vaccine rollout and now with this excellent appointment he seems to be getting things well and truly back on track.

 

Pound doing well also. Onwards and upwards.????

 

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/15020-pound-sterling-benefits-from-strongest-real-money-gbp-buying-ever

 

 

 

Frost is responsible for the shambolic deal we have with the EU. And Johnson gave him another job in government?

As for the pound. Is it soaring back to the levels pre Brexit vote?

No. It is not. 

[Tofer]

53 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Success of the vaccine role out is due to the professionalism of the NHS. Nothing to do with Brexit or Brexiteers.

 

Complete and utter rubbish!!

 

The vaccine programme has been established by the government with advance funding and orders for vaccine, well in advance of what would have been possible, and has proved to be so, within the EU.

[Rimmer]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed:

 

UK had 'one or two' Brexit teething issues on fishing, minister says

[Rookiescot]

25 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

Complete and utter rubbish!!

 

The vaccine programme has been established by the government with advance funding and orders for vaccine, well in advance of what would have been possible, and has proved to be so, within the EU.

 

So Brexiteers cured corona ????????????????????????????

I didnt notice Johnson, Gove or Farage sticking needles in other people.

There was nothing forcing countries within the EU to join the EU's joint vaccination program. They did so because they wanted to work together. If we had still been in the EU we could have either joined it or stayed separate.  

 

[CG1 Blue]

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Odd that, according to you, the proudly anti EU, pro Brexit Express is happy to provide click bait for a news organisation you describe as "Pro-EU Bloomberg Economics!"

 

Care to explain your reasoning behind that?

 

Had you bothered to read it, you would know that the Full Fact article is not just "about how much we paid to the EU - nothing to do with the Bloomberg clickbait report!" It is investigating the claim that "One estimate of the “economic cost” of Brexit, £130 billion, now exceeds what we’ve paid in to the EU over 47 years" and uses, among other evidence, the Bloomberg figures. 

 

I have come up with figures; the estimates from Bloomberg quoted by both the Express and Full Fact. They are estimates because, as Full Fact say, "Bloomberg Economics told us that the £200 billion figure it came up with was an estimate, as it’s impossible to be sure what the economy would have looked like if the UK had voted to remain in the EU in 2016."

 

Full Fact appear to have accepted that estimate, the Express more so as it's the basis of their headline "How much has Brexit cost? The staggering amount for UK taxpayers."

 

Unlike Full Fact and the Express, you are disputing that estimate; so where are your alternative figures? 

 

So I ask again - how were those numbers from Bloomberg arrived at? Or do you just believe any numbers that are thrown at you? 

I'd like to know how much of that figure is directly and definitely attributable to Brexit, and how much of it is just conjecture. 

 

Pro-EU companies like Bloomberg would blame Brexit for Coronavirus if they could get away with it! 

 

[candide]

4 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

Complete and utter rubbish!!

 

The vaccine programme has been established by the government with advance funding and orders for vaccine, well in advance of what would have been possible, and has proved to be so, within the EU.

The same distorted fact again! It has been made while UK was still subject to EU law and in accordance with EU law. So it has proved to be possible within the EU.

 

EU countries have chosen to follow a common approach rather than compete with each other to get vaccine supplies, and it obviously slowed down the process. However, they chose to join the scheme, and each country could have chosen not to participate.