Thailand records its first case of South African strain of COVID-19

[FarFlungFalang]

5 minutes ago, rabas said:

Lol, you can't be partially related, you either are or you aren't. So, nobody must be a different genetic line of humans. That's why, nobody has so many asymptomatic cases.

If I was wholly related to Someone I wouldn't be related to Anybody including one of my parents.

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, SunsetT said:

OK, but if it was/is Covid, why hasnt it spread rampantly from these cases?

 

Who is saying it hasn't spread rampantly and how would they know if they don't do genomic testing on every positive result?

[Jim Morrison]

"A Thai gem trader has been found to be infected with the South African strain of COVID-19, the first such case in Thailand, " So as covid-19 ( meaning "Certificate Of Vaccine id -19" )  has decimated Thailand. As new strains may be coming  ( covid 20, 21 ,22  etc ) do we start all over again and keep getting vaccines and shutting down countries? Or announce  " take vitamin-C, vitamin-D, use common sense and stay home if you have a flu or not feeling well" Announce  "We can not control the uncontrollable and shut down our societies"..."Take care of your health as Thailand has lost 80 people to covid19. So out of  70 million Thais.  1 in a million gives you pretty good odds."....try not to be 1 of the 50 or more killed on the roads today. Chok dee.

[NoshowJones]

5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Congrats to Thailand for catching this case. They're doing a great job here. Sad some like to bash what they are doing. And sad some post misinformation. That doesn't help anything.

"They're doing a great job here."  Is that the unelected "PM" and his soldiers you are referring to? Are you not aware of who is partly responsible for this wave of the Chinese virus by letting the illegal Burmese workers in to Thailand without quarantine?

[bluesofa]

4 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

Hate to disappoint you, but up Khon Kaen, and Maha Sarakham, way, the locals are saying covid is rampant, they are terrified.

Wasn't there one case reported in Maha Sarakham a week or so back?

 

Why do the locals think covid is rampant? Do they have any reliable source that has told them, or is it is perhaps Chinese whispers? (no pun intended)

 

 

4 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

Maybe, just maybe, we need to see to stats on pneumonia, it seems to be an epidemic, is some provinces.

That does sound like a good idea.

Wasn't there some info published suggesting this a while back, only for someone to say there was a conspiracy theory that the government were listing these deaths as pneumonia in order to keep the covid figures low?

[Rimmer]

An off topic post removed

[Madeline Thompson]

Once the vaccines are available throughout Thailand it means the end of

the emergency decree and the absolute power of the current governing

body.  Announcing a new strain of the Covid-19 virus only creates

something new for us to be frightened about.  We need to fight that fear

otherwise there will endless threats of shutdowns and lockdowns, worldwide.

[Orton Rd]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

We need to know the origin in order to perhaps stop these viruses. Not sure about the reference to agent orange, which was a manufactured chemical. Not a virus. Hmmm...

we do know, same as the 1918 and 1968 pandemics- China

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Wasn't there one case reported in Maha Sarakham a week or so back?

 

Why do the locals think covid is rampant? Do they have any reliable source that has told them, or is it is perhaps Chinese whispers? (no pun intended)

 

 

That does sound like a good idea.

Wasn't there some info published suggesting this a while back, only for someone to say there was a conspiracy theory that the government were listing these deaths as pneumonia in order to keep the covid figures low?

The BBC and New York Times did stories on the excess deaths, the stories then were buried by this Government.  Thats all I can say.

[SunsetT]

39 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Who is saying it hasn't spread rampantly and how would they know if they don't do genomic testing on every positive result?

Because Covid would spread exponentially as in other countries and hospitals would soon be be overflowing and elderly death rates would be soaring. Also  Thai and social media would be reporting it widely. It would be impossible to hide.

 

Edited February 15, 2021 by SunsetT

[Bad boy 561]

4 hours ago, SwampyThai said:

Nope not correct, HIV crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo

He just wanted to get an anti American dig in

[Medelline]

4 hours ago, SwampyThai said:

Nope not correct, HIV crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo

First case and death  of hiv /aids was recorded in America, America being America quickly to puss to clean themselves  and blame everything to the defenceless one  at the end of the day its all spread all over the world because nowobe wanted to be blamed instead of containing it it all spread to the third world and its still spreading right now if Americans wanted to fight and find the cure quickly they could have only wanted to prove its power 

[Suua]

48 minutes ago, rabas said:

The complete viral pneumonia program in Thailand on a daily basis. Also testing for covid.

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/situation.php

In English?

[Bkk Brian]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

travelled to an African country before returning to Thailand, more tests were conducted and it was determined that he was infected with the South African variant of the virus.

Elementary my dear Watson. Tests positive and comes from Africa, lets do a test on which strain. The more worrying aspect however is that the South African variant is now present in 40 different countries and the UK strain is in 82 countries and rising. 

[NoshowJones]

3 hours ago, overherebc said:

I go for Wuhuflu.

Who says no one is able to call this virus the China or Chinese virus? As long as the forum rules allow it. 

As far as I 'm  concerned, it's the Chinese virus. That is where it came from.

Edited February 15, 2021 by possum1931

[Suua]

Take note of the date. 

A post on TVF last year.....

 

On 3/7/2020 at 11:29 AM, humbug said: 

these are the tip of the Iceberg, numbers 
from 'viral pneumonia ' which they hoped 
could be covered up and not called covid- 
19, clearly they are seeing higher levels of 
infections and cannot hide it any more, 

last official figure I saw was 3000 and that was 
nearly two weeks ago 

My interpretation of Viral Pneumonia infection 
is people that are very sick that cannot afford 
the fee for the covid 19 test and are just sent 
to the village to deal with their situation - in 
other words abandoned 

The fact it went from O to 3000 since January 
should tell us something 
Edited March 7 by smedLy 

Edited February 15, 2021 by Suua

[rabas]

5 minutes ago, Suua said:

53 minutes ago, rabas said:

The complete viral pneumonia program in Thailand on a daily basis. Also testing for covid.

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/situation.php

In English?

Press the English button. Then select 'situation' in the menu bar.

 

Thai version is always up to date, the English version can be 1 to a few days late.

 

 

[Suua]

22 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The BBC and New York Times did stories on the excess deaths, the stories then were buried by this Government.  Thats all I can say.

Correct, I have the post by 'Dr.turner' a former regular on this forum.....I'll try and dig it out. 

[Percy P]

7 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

I just love how nobody is able to call the virus the China virus but everyone is so eager to attribute the strains to specific countries. 

 

I'm calling the China Virus. 

But did it actually start in China.Who not sure.

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, Suua said:

Correct, I have the post by 'Dr.turner' a former regular on this forum.....I'll try and dig it out. 

If you try and search the web most stories and the numbers they had have disappeared.  Even trying to get into the MOPH data base to find those viral pneumonia stats an deaths has been blocked from view.  They do not want anyone snooping through their business anymore.

[NoshowJones]

1 hour ago, FarFlungFalang said:

What say you on their habit of sitting around together for a communal meal where hands a mostly used utensils shared alcohol consumed from a single glass and much loud conversation and merriment?To me this would negate all other contributing factors for the low infection rate and low testing numbers would be a much more plausible reason especially when the Government has said they will not test in large numbers as it's too expensive. 

Yes, they need the money for submarines and moon rockets, and not to mention their own personal expenses.

[rabas]

25 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The BBC and New York Times did stories on the excess deaths, the stories then were buried by this Government.  Thats all I can say.

IRC, both showed no excess deaths in Thailand. How does the Thai government bury NYT stories?

 

THAILAND   --normal--   excess deaths   <0   (less than normal)

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

[Stargeezr]

I still call the covid 19, the Wuhan virus, which I also heard in the early days of

the virus.  If it came from somewhere else, why was there no news of this

virus earlier,   Huh?

Geezer

[Percy P]

6 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

If you try and search the web most stories and the numbers they had have disappeared.  Even trying to get into the MOPH data base to find those viral pneumonia stats an deaths has been blocked from view.  They do not want anyone snooping through their business anymore.

Freedom of information, what happened to that.

[ThailandRyan]

6 minutes ago, rabas said:

IRC, both showed no excess deaths in Thailand. How does the Thai government bury NYT stories?

 

THAILAND   --normal--   excess deaths   <0   (less than normal)

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

You see only what you can see Rabas.  The stats were there, they have been removed, and the MOPH website for that portion is locked off.  We had extensive discussions with this last April, and @DrTuner was one of the people discussing this as well as myself and a few others.  Believe what you want, but there is more to the story then you are seeing unfortunately.  I lost 3 family member here in Thailand last year during this time period and they died at home and not in the hospitals, no testing was done, they were sent home with meds and after a few weeks passed.  Police officer came to the house took some notes and three days later each was cremated in the village. 

[TKDfella]

2 hours ago, SunsetT said:

Why? All such cases entering legally should and would be detected and prevented from spreading during quarantine which seems to be working very efficiently.

Well for a start, the man himself could have infected someone before testing.

[metisdead]

A post with content that was copy and pasted from some site without a supporting link has been removed.

 

Some off topic posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[ThailandRyan]

27 minutes ago, rabas said:

IRC, both showed no excess deaths in Thailand. How does the Thai government bury NYT stories?

 

THAILAND   --normal--   excess deaths   <0   (less than normal)

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

http://deathreport.dcs.moph.go.th/index.htm

The entire site now needs a login and password.  They locked it off so no one can snoop now.  Unless you have access well then please share.

กระทรวงสาธารณสุข (moph.go.th)

 I just tried to open the top link and it can not be found now.  To get there you need to navigate the main pages.

ระบบรายงานข้อมูลการตาย (moph.go.th)

Edited February 15, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[FarFlungFalang]

36 minutes ago, SunsetT said:

Because Covid would spread exponentially as in other countries and hospitals would soon be be overflowing and elderly death rates would be soaring. Also  Thai and social media would be reporting it widely. It would be impossible to hide.

 

Actually since the UK and SA strains have been detected in the US the numbers have been falling and continue to do so.Can you name any country these variants have been introduced that have seen a soaring of infection numbers?The numbers globally have been falling since January 7 this year.

[Suua]

32 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

If you try and search the web most stories and the numbers they had have disappeared.  Even trying to get into the MOPH data base to find those viral pneumonia stats an deaths has been blocked from view.  They do not want anyone snooping through their business anymore.

Here is the post....

Sorry for a few missing characters....I used an extract text function on my phone. 

(I took a snapshot to make sure it stayed with me and couldn't be deleted).

The post was 8th September 2020.

 

6 hours ago, DT'l'uner said: 
Yes, and excess deaths started around November 2019. All in all something like 6-7.5k excess. It stopped in April 
when the lockdown was put in place and went under average, as one would guess when mobility is drastically 
reduced. I did my own analysis of the NYT numbers, which start from 2015: 

https://github.com/nytimes/covid-19-data/blob/master/excess-deaths/deaths.csv 

The indicators point to the virus having spread here in late 2019, which makes sense as Thailand was one of the 
main tourist destinations from China. Nobody noticed until media made it look like ebola on steroids. 

Interesting! 

So my evaluation based on BBC is around 5000 from mid of March till mid of May, and yours based on NYT is 6-7.5 
totally, starting in November already. Sounds consistent and logic. Both sources at this time still relied on Thai 
official numbers, as these still were not censored then. 

Another hint is the high number of pneumonia deaths in Thailand during that time, while they hardly tested anyone, 
especially not the people who had passed away already. 

Also I remember around February there was an official order that all information had to be channeled through one 
governmental office in Bangkok. This is when the censoring finally started, I think. And this was the time when 
negligence in reporting and low testing eventually was replaced by intenionality. 

Edited February 15, 2021 by Suua