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Trump, Giuliani accused in lawsuit of conspiring to incite Capitol riot


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3 hours ago, scorecard said:

Just getting that motley crew to testify under oath will be worth zillions. Trump testifying under oath will be a pay-per-view major event and great entertainment. 

This crew is not known for speaking the truth. What make you believe they will start now?

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Posted
Just now, john63 said:

Being a former president, Trump has lifetime US Secret Service protection. Giuliani does not.

They still need a good slap!

Posted
11 hours ago, webfact said:

There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day.

pratically yes, but there is no moral in trump's world, so he can't be morally responsible

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Posted
2 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

How can you have a "

Cleared of wrongdoing? What a joke. How can you have  trial in the senate where largely half the jurors are made up of Trumps co-conspirators and supporters? In any other circumstance they would be summarily rejected from a jury.  All the two impeachments proves is what everybody knows already. GOP senators are hypocrites and cowards. And, the impeachment process is fatally flawed and worthless. All around the country the few GOP senators who crossed over are being censured...for doing their job, listening to evidence and making a decision totally covered by 1st amendment  by the way.  If Hillary Clinton had won the 2016 election and republicans controlled the house she would have been impeached for actions t(ie Benghazi ) while she was Secretary of State. With Mitch arguing exactly 180 degrees opposite of what he stated in his SCATHING incrimination of Trump just after he voted to acquit!! Trump never has been cleared of anything. The Mueller investigation specifically did not attempt to determine the President did not commit a crime, due  DOJ policy. 

 

Has Trump ever released his Tax returns? 

 

 

 

 

".....All around the country the few GOP senators who crossed over are being censured...for doing their job,....."

 

should also read.....All around the country the few GOP senators who crossed over are being censured...for doing their job, and for being honest and moral.....

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Parsve said:

From a political view it is not very interesting what happens to Trump,  but if the US will accept the extreme right or not. If they do, they will not be a democratically country anymore.

Well I don’t think its that simple. I think it is important that the most criminally corrupt and insurrectionist president in American history does face consequences. Not necessarily prison. Conviction in the senate would have done that but there are many other paths now.

 

I do agree the USA while literally dodging a bullet of an authoritarian takeover and the end of democracy is not nearly out of the woods yet. The republican party is still tragically controlled by Mr. trump and it is now an anti democracy pro authoritarian party. Their agenda now is to aggressively suppress voters. 

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The new AG will be assigned soon, and not long after that it's going to be MUELLER TIME!  And then commences the avalanche of criminal charges accumulated for things done over the past four years.

I think DT will eventually go into exile.  He submit to prison, and he's too vain to take his own life, so if there's no way out he's going to flee -- we can have a "Where's Donnie" contest.

 

He has made sure the WH visitor long was collected by the National Archives, so that those seeking to find out who had been visiting him in those last months of his term cannot know whom he was conspiring with visited by. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/03/biden-white-house-trump-visitor-logs-465564

 

This could be a key to what he had in mind for what the incidents of Jan. 6th could result in.  He should have manned up and led the mob to the Capitol, like he said he would.

I just hope the gosh-darned Dems push to make all this happen before the statutes of limitations run out or they lose control of Congress.

 

 

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Oh dear, is this another Witch Hunt or a continuation of the same since 2016?

I guess now's the chance to expose him for the crook, liar and cheat he is!

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8 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Oh dear, is this another Witch Hunt or a continuation of the same since 2016?

 

Do you even follow the news. Connect the dots. Nothing to do with 2016.

 

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While there is a growing number of legal actions taking shape against Trump, we have yet to hear from the one that counts, the Dept. of Justice.  The current investigation by NY Atty Gen James is a civil probe so far.  Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance has a criminal investigation going, but they are going to be slow-walked by the Supreme Court on Trump's tax returns until June probably.  Also, Vance is corrupt and previously blocked charges from being brought against Ivanka and Don Jr. for real estate fraud following which his campaign received a $50,000 donation from Trump's lawyer Marc Kassowitz.  So, it's hard to have a high degree of confidence in Vance.

 

Fulton Co. DA Fani Wills is likely to bring charges against Trump, Graham, and maybe Giuliani for violating GA election laws, but the penalties are not severe, apparently, not going above one year of imprisonment.

 

Everything is different at the federal level.  The federal election laws that Trump broke in his phone call with Raffensperger could add up to decades of jail time.  And the evidence should make it an especially easy case to try.  But that's only the opening.  Trump commit many acts of corruption and self-dealing, possibly money-laundering, was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Stormy Daniels case which should be oven-ready for prosecution now, to say nothing of treason by levying war against the US govt.  But the question is will Merrick Garland go there?  I think there is too much criminality for the Garland DoJ to ignore much as they would like to, since prosecuting Trump may not get them many votes.

 

For this reason I expect the DoJ as a compromise will carry out a successful prosecution of Trump on some relatively low-level charge that doesn't result in imprisonment.  Justice is not supposed to be based on compromise, but politics is.  That's not my preference, since I would like to see Trump imprisoned for life, but that's how I expect it to go down.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

I'm sorry .but in America you are innocent until proven guilty so where is your proof that they are guilty?

Evidence is given by the prosecution and rebuffed by the defence and that is not revealed until the case reaches the courts and a trial.

 

It is not up to me whether he is guilty or not guilty.

 

I was imply responding to your post, which BTW, you have not answered.

 

More denial, deflection and what aboutery but you still have not answered my (and other posters questions). 

 

Where is the link from YOU backing up your fairy story about no evidence?

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Posted
10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Innocent until proven guilty is applicable in a court of law, not elsewhere.

 

And innocent until proven guilty doesn't justify your claim there is no proof.

Show us your proof! Most men and women in jail say that they are innocent but the courts prove then guilty. Isn't America a great country!!!

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Posted
15 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Show us your proof! Most men and women in jail say that they are innocent but the courts prove then guilty. Isn't America a great country!!!

You're the one claiming there is no proof, which I reacted to. Don't try to turn your own argument around, won't work.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yeah....

"Lock her up! Lock her up!".

Guess that was totally different.....

I thought the way I raised the point was pretty good. Yours is much better.

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