Thai PM defends submarine purchase and explains causes of huge public debt

[snoop1130]

Thai PM defends submarine purchase and explains causes of huge public debt

 

 

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha has defended the Royal Thai Navy’s 22 billion baht procurement of three Yuan-class submarines from China as being worth the taxpayers’ money, compared to the 24 trillion baht in maritime interests that Thailand is expected to gain.

 

Maintaining that the decision to purchase the submarines was based on national and public interests, he said that they will strengthen Thailand’s maritime capabilities.

 

He also defended the procurement of military equipment, such as night-vision goggles, for Special Forces as being necessary for national defence, adding that those who are not military personnel may not know how important modern military hardware is for the defence of the country.

 

Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-pm-defends-submarine-purchase-and-explains-causes-of-huge-public-debt/

[colinneil]

Of course he has defended the purchase of useless subs, the kickbacks must be very BIG.

[pixelaoffy]

Who is Thailand defending against with military weapons  other than its own people ?

[bwpage3]

29 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Thai PM defends submarine purchase and explains causes of huge public debt

 

 

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha has defended the Royal Thai Navy’s 22 billion baht procurement of three Yuan-class submarines from China as being worth the taxpayers’ money, compared to the 24 trillion baht in maritime interests that Thailand is expected to gain.

 

Maintaining that the decision to purchase the submarines was based on national and public interests, he said that they will strengthen Thailand’s maritime capabilities.

 

He also defended the procurement of military equipment, such as night-vision goggles, for Special Forces as being necessary for national defence, adding that those who are not military personnel may not know how important modern military hardware is for the defence of the country.

 

Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-pm-defends-submarine-purchase-and-explains-causes-of-huge-public-debt/

Defense of the country against who?

[Damrongsak]

"... 24 trillion baht in maritime interests that Thailand is expected to gain..."

 

Gain what? 

[Pengo2001]

2 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

"... 24 trillion baht in maritime interests that Thailand is expected to gain..."

 

Gain what? 

Gain maritime interests.

[Pengo2001]

The gulf of Thailand has an average depth of not more that 50 meters. Can a bigger sub even hide and operate in such a shallow envrionment?

[Nsp64]

What is he talking about ?

He didnt give any plausible reason for this expenditure.

Defend against who ?

If there's a legitimate threat then name it.

[Sailboat32223]

Without foreign supervision name a tool or machine that is Chinese made that has a reputation for quality. 

[foreverlomsak]

14 minutes ago, Pengo2001 said:

The gulf of Thailand has an average depth of not more that 50 meters. Can a bigger sub even hide and operate in such a shallow envrionment?

nah, there for the mekong river to stop the illegal migrant workers crossing into Thailand

[phetphet]

Probably going to back up the Chinese defending the Spratly Islands.

[zaZa9]

35 minutes ago, Nsp64 said:

What is he talking about ?

He didnt give any plausible reason for this expenditure.

Defend against who ?

If there's a legitimate threat then name it.

 

He may be talking about them pesky Laos and their rich  Sea-faring Naval History , but it could also all just be a misunderstanding....

[fangless]

28 minutes ago, Sailboat32223 said:

Without foreign supervision name a tool or machine that is Chinese made that has a reputation for quality. 

Propaganda!

[fangless]

45 minutes ago, Pengo2001 said:

The gulf of Thailand has an average depth of not more that 50 meters. Can a bigger sub even hide and operate in such a shallow envrionment?

Actually it is 58M and in comparison the north sea is 95M.

 

[surangw]

a matter of face ?  ( bigger sub than  some other small country)

 

[sammieuk1]

56 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

"... 24 trillion baht in maritime interests that Thailand is expected to gain..."

 

Gain what? 

Salt water ????

[Sailboat32223]

Propaganda, is that a quality Chinese car? Never heard of it. 

[Sailboat32223]

On 2/16/2021 at 8:27 PM, Ireland32 said:

Do you really believe that Nonsense 

 

12 hours ago, webfact said:

Confusion still reigns about marijuana....Bottom line: smoking it to get high is illegal

 

Picture: Thai Rath

 

Thai media Thai Rath said that confusion still reigns supreme in Thailand about growing pot. 

 

They posed the question in their headline "Can you grow marijuana and hemp?" then interviewed Dr Supatra Bunserm of the Food and Drug Administration for clarification. 

 

This came in the light of the availability of new strains and the start of a pilot project to grow weed in Buriram in Thailand's north east. These have only muddied the waters further, said the influential media.

 

Despite the removal of certain parts of the plants such as stalks and leaves from the narcotics list, they remain as having the status of narcotics, Supatra said. 

 

Strict regulations remain in place about who can grow them.

 

Permission must be sought and they can only be grown for the production of certain medicines or research purposes.

 

In a separate report health minister and DPM Anutin Charnvirakul put his name to five more drugs that can be produced from the plants this week. 

 

Regulations on growing are tight. For example growers must specify the location of their plants, have a walled area and have CCTV in place to guard against illegal practices. 

 

The bottom line is that only a negligible amount of THC (the drug that makes you high) is permissible rendering most allowable strains as merely hemp. 

 

The possession and use of seeds, buds and flowers remains illegal - they are still considered class 5 narcotics. 

 

So getting high in Thailand by smoking or otherwise inhaling marijuana containing quantities of THC is illegal.

 

And growing marijuana for recreational purposes or even growing for medical purposes without a licence could see you wind up fined or in jail. 

 

The same goes for recreational use so be warned. 

 

Soure: Thai Rath

 

 

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11 minutes ago, fangless said:

Propaganda!

Is this the name of a quality Chinese car? Never heard of it. 

[sammieuk1]

The great thing for him about this debate is if it were more possible to appear more stupid he has succeeded and will claim victory ????

[Sailboat32223]

Waiting, name a tool or machine that is Chinese made with a good reputation? Manufactured without foreign supervision. 

[Sailboat32223]

7 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

The great thing for him about this debate is if it were more possible to appear more stupid he has succeeded and will claim victory ????

Waiting for an answer?

[Sailboat32223]

A tool shop will warranty any Japanese or American brands. New Chinese tools are sold as is, just like used, no warranty.

[Patong2021]

I am not supporter of submarine or military purchase, but I think many foreign critics in this  thread are unfair and do not understand or more likely just want to take kick at Thailand government. Thailand has good reason for the purchases.

1 hour ago, pixelaoffy said:

Who is Thailand defending against with military weapons  other than its own people ?

 

1 hour ago, bwpage3 said:

Defense of the country against who?

 

To answer the above, Cambodia has had border fight with Thailand in the past. The border with Myanmar is very dangerous with much of the yaba being brought in from Myanmar. The  drug cartels have their own armies. In the south we have Islamic insurrection and fighters come  across from Malaysia. Thailand needs proper surveillance equipment like night vision equipment. It also needs the equipment that will allow it to  patrol borders. The air fleet of Thailand is inadequate with a lack of modern patrol  aircraft or drones. There is  no advanced HQ for drone border patrol and marine  safety like we see in Australia or South America countries.

Thailand  military is not  equipped for the new types of  threats to public safety.

 

 

1 hour ago, Pengo2001 said:

The gulf of Thailand has an average depth of not more that 50 meters. Can a bigger sub even hide and operate in such a shallow envrionment?

 

Thailand has one of the largest commercial fishing fleets in the world and Thai vessels operate all over the world. Thai vessels were identified as a major cause of illegal and over fishing in places like Indian ocean and off of Somalia. Because Somalia locals lost fishing  income they went to piracy which was more profitable.

EU had previously yellow listed Thailand which cost country seafood exports big. In easy language, the EU and Australia said to Thailand, stop your illegal activity or we will stop you. It was a requirement to lift the sanctions that Thailand surveil its foreign fishing activity.  Also, Thailand is very much dependent on  worldwide sea lanes for import  and export. It relies on cheap oil to come from Gulf countries and Iran.  The submarines will allow Thailand to police its international fishing fleet and to protect its international shipping activity.

 

Very easy to attack Thailand and to say, bad, bad, bad, but I ask the  negativity people how they propose Thailand police its fishing fleet to make sure  boats comply and how it expects Thailand to protect its shipping activity? 

[mr mr]

i believe him....again.

[scammed]

every nation got a defense and a defense budget, get over it,

thailand does not stand out in military spending,

this is just the repetitive thai bashing that

define TVF

Edited February 17, 2021 by scammed

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, scammed said:

every nation got a defense and a defense budget, get over it,

thailand does not stand out in military spending

 

That's a fair enough comment. I think Thailand's defense budget is about 1.5% of the GDP, putting it nowhere near the big spenders.

 

And yes, many of the items make sense - night vision gear, drones, helicopters, etc. More in line with Thailand's actual defense needs and issues. The submarines, however, are both a huge investment, and quite obviously not necessary, or at best, low priority.

[Sailboat32223]

5 minutes ago, scammed said:

every nation got a defense and a defense budget, get over it,

thailand does not stand out in military spending,

this is just the repetitive thai bashing that

define TVF

National defense is a proper expenditure but buying Chinese machines is foolish. Buy 2  quantity submarines instead. Do you have ships that can rescue a Chinese submarine broke down on the bottom of the sea?

[RichardColeman]

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Very easy to attack Thailand and to say, bad, bad, bad, but I ask the  negativity people how they propose Thailand police its fishing fleet to make sure  boats comply and how it expects Thailand to protect its shipping activity? 

Protect its fishing fleet with submarines ?  Like going mouse hunting with an elephant gun.

Edited February 18, 2021 by metisdead
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[NanLaew]

36 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The submarines will allow Thailand to police its international fishing fleet and to protect its international shipping activity.

 

This has got to be post of the year stuff, no? (in the "So far out there, it has a whole 'nother zip code" category)?

 

I mean the use of "Thailand" and "police" in the same sentence? Does anyone believe that a Thai submarine is going to suddenly surface 12 miles offshore Somalia and tell Somchai or whoever's driving Chong Samaesan #351 that his nets are illegal?

 

When foreign fishing boats intrude into Indonesian waters, their Navy seizes them, arrests the crew and transfers them to a Navy vessel before sinking the fishing boat... great surface gunnery practice and no submarines needed.

[NanLaew]

17 minutes ago, Sailboat32223 said:

National defense is a proper expenditure but buying Chinese machines is foolish. Buy 2  quantity submarines instead. Do you have ships that can rescue a Chinese submarine broke down on the bottom of the sea?

The Russians didn't.