'Two boys snogging was revolutionary': the greatest gay moments in cinema

[snoop1130]

Forbidden and hedonistic … Gordon Warnecke and Daniel Day-Lewis in My Beautiful Laundrette. Photograph: Channel Four Films/Allstar

From Gus Van Sant to Maryam Keshavarz, Terence Davies to Andrew Haigh, film-makers and writers recall the charged scenes that moved and inspired them – and even helped nudge them out of the closet

The handheld phantasmagoria of The Last of England

Gus Van Sant, director of My Own Private Idaho, Good Will Hunting, To Die For, Milk

Derek Jarman’s The Last of England is an amazing barrage of memories, obsessions, cataclysmic visions, where Derek plays a gay memoirist writing his thoughts down.

Full Story: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/17/greatest-gay-moments-cinema-gus-van-sant-terence-davies-pratibha-parmar-john-cameron-mitchell

[OneMoreFarang]

How about two (virtual) girls?

[Thailand]

As long as it's not compulsory!

[Pique Dard]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

where Derek plays a gay memoirist writing his thoughts down.

this is a film i won't watch, for sure, as all my memories are heterosexual

[jchfriis]

11 hours ago, Pique Dard said:

this is a film i won't watch, for sure, as all my memories are heterosexual

I've watched lots of movies where heterosexuals go down memory lane. Should I stop doing that since I'm gay?

[Mr Dome]

14 hours ago, Pique Dard said:

this is a film i won't watch, for sure, as all my memories are heterosexual

So heterosexual, you saw a topic talking about 'Two boys snogging ... greatest gay moments ..." and you just couldn't resist clicking on it. 

 

Wink wink nudge nudge ????

[simon43]

I don't see 2 boys snogging.  I see 2 adult men snogging.

Isn't it time the gay community stopped mis-labelling adult gay men as boys.  I suspect it's done to titillate and to suggest under-age sexual acts with 'boys'.

Not good at all.  Put your house in order.????

[faraday]

In addition to Simon's comments above, to which I agree, it seems that DDL is suddenly.. a 'person of colour'.

Good 'ol Guardian.

 

 

[robblok]

Don't really like watching two guys having sexual fun, but then again i understand that for gays and lesbians to always have to watch hetro sex. So a lil change is only natural. Though its not something i really like watching. But fair is fair. I can always choose to skip the show.

[Mr Dome]

On 3/19/2021 at 5:15 AM, simon43 said:

I don't see 2 boys snogging.  I see 2 adult men snogging.

Isn't it time the gay community stopped mis-labelling adult gay men as boys.  I suspect it's done to titillate and to suggest under-age sexual acts with 'boys'.

Not good at all.  Put your house in order.????

It's pretty normal within the male gay community to refer to each other as "boys". It obvioulsy doesn't mean someone underage.

 

How many times do people say "girls/boys room" to refer to the restroom? Or "girls will be girls/boys will be boys" when referring to obvious adults and nobody ever throws a fit like you did?

 

The bad you see is in your mind. Plus dictating to a minority what words to use. Some posts maybe need a warning label or enough context to understand it. "B!tch, I can't (facepalm) ... Your post simon43 was rotten & homophobic to the core.

[simon43]

49 minutes ago, Mr Dome said:

It's pretty normal within the male gay community to refer to each other as "boys". It obvioulsy doesn't mean someone underage.

 

How many times do people say "girls/boys room" to refer to the restroom? Or "girls will be girls/boys will be boys" when referring to obvious adults and nobody ever throws a fit like you did?

 

The bad you see is in your mind. Plus dictating to a minority what words to use. Some posts maybe need a warning label or enough context to understand it. "B!tch, I can't (facepalm) ... Your post simon43 was rotten & homophobic to the core.

 

Sigh, my post is the truth.  I also think that adult females should be referred to as 'women', not girls.  Girls and boys are children, and that is the connotation that many in the LGBTXYZABC... community seem to like to emphasise.  I have no qualms at all at calling out such despicable words when I see/read them.  Get used to more 'rotten and homophobic'  words if you want to continue this thread.

[BangkokReady]

I think you just need to be careful that in trying to move away from "no gay kisses allowed", we don't shift to "there must always be a gay kiss and everyone must watch it".

[Mr Dome]

6 hours ago, simon43 said:

 

Sigh, my post is the truth.   Because ...?

 

6 hours ago, simon43 said:

I also think that adult females should be referred to as 'women', not girls. 

 

Confused? We are obviously talking about adults referring to themselves as "boys & girls". Why is that wrong? Why can't we call *ourselves* what we want & whose business is it anyway?

 

Girls and boys are children, and that is the connotation that many in the LGBTXYZABC... community seem to like to emphasise.  You're just completely off the mark here. Children never come into this. "Seem to" hints at what I wrote in my first response. You are projecting this as an outsider. A gay men referring to a group of other gay men as "boys" most certainly does not mean "I see these adults as children". ... Anyway, the object of desire among gay men are symbols of masculinity, muscles, well developed adults. Didn't think that needed stressing in 2021.

 

6 hours ago, simon43 said:

 

 

[Mr Dome]

7 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

I think you just need to be careful that in trying to move away from "no gay kisses allowed", we don't shift to "there must always be a gay kiss and everyone must watch it".

Who could force you to watch it, how would this be enforced?

Or if it was meant metaphorically, just don't care what others write what "you should be doing".

[Jingthing]

The blossoming of Queer Cinema (and golden age of television Queer stuff) has been one of the great joys of my life. 

 

But it's sad to hear the homophobic posts here. Nobody is making anyone watch anything they don't want to watch. 

[simon43]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The blossoming of Queer Cinema (and golden age of television Queer stuff) has been one of the great joys of my life. 

 

But it's sad to hear the homophobic posts here. Nobody is making anyone watch anything they don't want to watch. 

JT, just because you disagree with something doesn't make one homophobic.  I don't think Lennie Henry (a black British comedian in my youth), was at all funny, but that doesn't make me a racist.

 

Also, please note that using the word 'black' is not racist nor derogatory - it is in common usage in the UK ????

[robblok]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The blossoming of Queer Cinema (and golden age of television Queer stuff) has been one of the great joys of my life. 

 

But it's sad to hear the homophobic posts here. Nobody is making anyone watch anything they don't want to watch. 

Oh i am happy for you that it is in movies and TV series now. I just am not thrilled watching it. Does nothing for me and if too explicit i just dont like it. But that is just me. I can always skip the part or whatever. But i think its a step forward. Must be good for the LBG people as they always had to see the standard. So I am happy it happened just not something (those scenes) that i like watching if too explicit. I don't mean a normal kiss or whatever but when it goes in greater detail its a bit of a turnoff for me. 

 

Does make me anti gay, its just something i don't like to see and have the poower to skip.

[KarenBravo]

Homophobic is like the word racist. People are too quick to accuse other people of it.

As for choosing what to watch, there are many films that are not explicitly gay, unlike Broke-back mountain.

When a situation like this occurs, I turn my head so not to watch as it makes me feel uncomfortable and slightly disgusted (that's instinct kicking in), though I have no problems with two women kissing (and hopefully more).

 

If that makes me homophobic in some people's eyes, so be it. I can't help what I feel.

Other than that, I support gay rights and equality and have never had problems with gays in real life.

[impulse]

On 3/18/2021 at 8:46 PM, robblok said:

Don't really like watching two guys having sexual fun, but then again i understand that for gays and lesbians to always have to watch hetro sex.

 

At least watching hetero sex, there's something for everyone, no matter your preference.

[bendejo]

Imaginary promo for The Man Who Would be King:

Connery!

Caine!

Together like you've never seen them before!

 

Long ago I read an article somewhere in the alternative press about how the Floyd the barber character on the Andy Griffith show was gay.  It was satire, of course, and pretty funny.

 

 

[Jingthing]

A great thing about the blossoming of queer content in movies and t.v. is that a great range of LGBT characters can be shown without any kind of implication that the specific characters are intended to "represent" all LGBT people either to LGBT people or the larger society. In other words showing gay villains isn't taken as suggesting all gay people are villains or showing gay heroes isn't taken as suggesting all gay people are heroes. Also racial diversity and diversity in presentations like butch or femme, different classes, runs the gamut. In the bad old days any characters that might be seen as gay had to fit certain rigid stereotypes usually demeaning. Also if there was a major character such as in Rebel Without A Cause, those characters NEEDED to meet a tragic death (suicide or otherwise). Now you can show gay characters that meet tragic deaths or commit suicide because they fit the story being told, not as a social requirement that gay characters always must be made to pay for their "sins" before the show is over.

Edited March 22, 2021 by Jingthing

[Fat is a type of crazy]

I am not comfortable watching gay sex because I am not gay but have you ever looked into a mirror while you are making love to your thai girlfriend. It's probably not a pretty sight. Pretty thai girl with old age creeping up on her ..sweaty overweight guys going for it. So I think I am equal in my prejudice about watching people make love. 

 

My Beautiful Laundrette was part of that mid to late eighties golden age of independent cinema. I remember seeing this and Peter Greenaway movies etc. 

One of my favourite shows in the 90's was Queer as Folk - for once the Americans took something British and got it right. Good fun. Just look away if it got saucy. 

[simon43]

If I want to watch explicit sex, then I can go to pornhub.  TBH, I don't really understand the need to show 'advanced' snogging on mainstream TV, whether that be heterosexual or homosexual.  'Get a room' as they say....

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, simon43 said:

If I want to watch explicit sex, then I can go to pornhub.  TBH, I don't really understand the need to show 'advanced' snogging on mainstream TV, whether that be heterosexual or homosexual.  'Get a room' as they say....

You seem to have a common misconception about queer cinema that its gay porn.  Porn is a separate category. Sexual situations are legitimately shown in non porn films of all kinds as part of telling the stories.

[Mr Dome]

On 3/22/2021 at 6:38 AM, simon43 said:

Sorry, there's no save from this:

 

"Get used to more 'rotten and homophobic'  words if you want to continue this thread. "

 

Quote

To this:

 

 just because you disagree with something doesn't make one homophobic. 

Also:

Quote

I don't think Lennie Henry (a black British comedian in my youth), was at all funny, but that doesn't make me a racist.

This, is frankly a ridiculous comparison. Nobody's telling anyone what they have to enjoy.

 

But yeah, if you're telling a minority what to do, what words to use, etc., because you feel you have the right to, then yeah, you might be a homophobe or a racist.

 

Been reading ThaiVisa since the noughties and this happens all the time under a gay thread. Someone will leave their mark on it like a soi dog by broadcasting how heterosexual they are, followed by homophobic comments. I call it ThaiVisa Gay Panic (TVGP).

 

Imagine the same thing in reverse under most straight topic threads. You'd grow tired of it fast, I guarantee you.

Edited March 23, 2021 by Mr Dome
wanted to add this

[KarenBravo]

3 minutes ago, Mr Dome said:

 

But yeah, if you're telling a minority what to do, what words to use, etc., because you feel you have the right to, then yeah, you might be a homophobe or a racist.

 

What if a minority is telling the majority what words to use?

Can this also be bigoted and / or racist?

What is the difference between the two? If the only difference is one is the majority and one is the minority, yet the action is the same, then, how does the offence differ?

 

Genuinely interested to know.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

 

What if a minority is telling the majority what words to use?

Can this also be bigoted and / or racist?

What is the difference between the two? If the only difference is one is the majority and one is the minority, yet the action is the same, then, how does the offence differ?

 

Genuinely interested to know.

A majority would presumably have much more power to intimidate and oppress a minority than vice versa. Your comment reminds me of clueless white people saying all lives matter in response to black lives matter.

[Mr Dome]

7 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

 

What if a minority is telling the majority what words to use?

Can this also be bigoted and / or racist?

What is the difference between the two? If the only difference is one is the majority and one is the minority, yet the action is the same, then, how does the offence differ?

 

Genuinely interested to know.

Your wording suggests you grapple with the meaning of words such as "racism". I'd get that straightened out (pun intended), first.

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, Mr Dome said:

 

Also:

This, is frankly a ridiculous comparison. Nobody's telling anyone what they have to enjoy.

 

But yeah, if you're telling a minority what to do, what words to use, etc., because you feel you have the right to, then yeah, you might be a homophobe or a racist.

 

Been reading ThaiVisa since the noughties and this happens all the time under a gay thread. Someone will leave their mark on it like a soi dog by broadcasting how heterosexual they are, followed by homophobic comments. I call it ThaiVisa Gay Panic (TVGP).

 

Imagine the same thing in reverse under most straight topic threads. You'd grow tired of it fast, I guarantee you.

Of course I've come to expect homophobia on most any topic touching on LGBT people but people posting homophobic garbage and acting like they're not is another level of nauseating gaslighting. I've said it before that I prefer open bigots that own their bigotry to people dancing around it and denying.

[KarenBravo]

Just now, Jingthing said:

A majority would presumably have much more power to intimidate and oppress a minority than vice versa. Your comment reminds me of clueless white people saying all lives matter in response to black lives matter.

 

That doesn't answer my question. I'll make it easier for you.

 

Majority is told by minority what words to use = Okay.

Minority is told by majority what words to say = Not okay.

 

Why?

Instead of the insult that I ask "clueless" questions, how about giving me a thoughtful, rational answer?