Facing 'crisis of century', EU threatens ban on COVID vaccine exports to UK

[Hi from France]

34 minutes ago, candide said:

AZ is currently running a large scale trial meeting all statistical requirements in order to make sure it satisfies the FDA, so we will soon have more reliable data.

So vinny41 will acknowledge previous data was not reliable then? 

 

.. and the FDA is right to demand scientific evidence before injecting US citizens with AstraZeneca? 

Edited March 21, 2021 by Hi from France

[vinny41]

11 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

So vinny41 will acknowledge previous data was not reliable then? 

 

.. and the FDA is right to demand scientific evidence before injecting US citizens with AstraZeneca? 

Who has stated that the previous data was not reliable 

Was it the The European Medicines Agency that stated that or is it just You

Edited March 21, 2021 by vinny41
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[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

ttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/21/eu-export-ban-would-delay-uk-covid-vaccine-drive-by-two-months

Read that 

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About 10m vaccine doses have been exported from plants in EU member states to the UK, largely by Pfizer/BioNTech. The UK is waiting on around 30m more Pfizer doses and 30m from Johnson & Johnson – although only some of those had been expected to be delivered by the end of the summer.

The UK government was until the last fortnight on course to beat its target of delivering a first vaccine dose to every adult in the UK by the end of July by over six weeks, according to Airfinity.

The UK doesn't need to vaccine 100% of its population, they should be giving all those doses to save lives elsewhere. 

 

This is petty national-populist selfishness.

 

I feel we are completely legitimate. The EU has already started to share its production from the beginning and should continue to do so. But we are done with sending vaccines to the UK, in this situation, this is just stupid.

 

Doses bound for the UK should go where they are needed.

 

In the meantime the UK has its own AZ production and they will selfishly keep it anyway even though they would be more useful elsewhere. 

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Read that 

The UK doesn't need to vaccine 100% of its population, they should be giving all those doses to save lives elsewhere. 

 

This is petty national-populist selfishness.

 

I feel we are completely legitimate. The EU has already started to share its production from the beginning and should continue to do so. But we are done with sending vaccines to the UK, in this situation, this is just stupid.

 

Doses bound for the UK should go where they are needed.

 

In the meantime the UK has its own AZ production and they will selfishly keep it anyway even though they would be more useful elsewhere. 

Why shouldn't  the entire population of the UK including 5 million EU nationals living in the UK be entitled to have the vaccine if the so wish. The EU is planning to vaccinated  every single person in the each EU county

The UK has always said once the UK AZ production plants have supplied the UK they are free to supply whoever they want.

Maybe because you have had your 1st jab , you feel that you entitled to dictate who has the jab and who is refused the jab

[vinny41]

IIn your feeble attempt to dismiss  the https://www.airfinity.com/ website

you failed to mention it is trusted by HM Government and the Australian Government

 

If you had bother to click on the team link you would have found

HENRIK SILLESEN

Scientific Advisor

Henrik Sillesen is currently Professor and Head of Vascular Surgery at Rigshospitalet, University of Copenhagen, one of the largest vascular departments in Europe. Henrik Sillesen has published 215 peer-reviewed papers (PubMed) and has been cited over 9,700 times (H-index 42), giving 250+ lectures at international meetings in 34 countries. Henrik served as President of the European Society for Vascular Surgery (ESVS) from 2018-9, served as secretary general for ESVS in 2004-9, was the president of the Danish Heart Foundation across 2004-8, the President of the World Federation of Vascular Specialities between 2009-10 and the President of the Danish Vascular Society from 2002-4.

 

Instead you ask forum members to accept posting from threadreader which everyone knows is a method to bypass forum rules and post twitter posts

Edited March 21, 2021 by vinny41

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Why shouldn't  the entire population of the UK

Do you really need an explanation for prioritization? Herd immunity? % of kids dying from covid (close to zero) compared the % of 75+ dying 

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Hi from France said:

Do you really need an explanation for prioritization? Herd immunity? % of kids dying from covid (close to zero) compared the % of 75+ dying 

There are currently no plans for children to be vaccinated with the Oxford-Astrazeneca jab in the UK, as it has only been authorised to prevent Covid in people aged 18 or over.

[Scott]

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[candide]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

The UK has always said once the UK AZ production plants have supplied the UK they are free to supply whoever they want.

Interestingly enough, UK now wants to get supplied by the Netherlands AZ plant. So Let's say that after the EU plants have supplied the EU, they are free to supplywhoever they want! ????

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[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Interestingly enough, UK now wants to get supplied by the Netherlands AZ plant. So Let's say that after the EU plants have supplied the EU, they are free to supplywhoever they want! ????

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At the moment the plant in the Netherlands is not approved to supply anyone in the EU as it doesn't have regulatory approval

Without regulatory approval, vaccines produced at Halix cannot be used in the EU.

[Hi from France]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

as the article say

 

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Former EU member Britain has so far administered many more vaccines than EU countries in proportion to the population.

 

"The Brits are insisting that the Halix plant in the Netherlands must deliver the drug substance produced there to them. That doesn't work," the official told Reuters.

 

yeah "That doesn't work", dear national-populist politicians????

 

 

and with your own British vaccine production, please now supply the people in the world that really need it

 

in Thailand even ????

 

 

instead of keeping it for yourselves like you have been doing.

 

"Global Britain" uh

 

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

 

 

yeah "That doesn't work", dear national-populist politicians????

 

 

and with your own British vaccine production, please now supply the people in the world that really need it

 

in Thailand even ????

 

 

instead of keeping it for yourselves like you have been doing.

 

"Global Britain" uh

 

Good to see that your  offering everyone the vaccine now that you have received your 1st dose although i suspect you will change your tune if you don't receive your 2nd dose

How many millions of doses will France be sending to Thailand next month

Edited March 21, 2021 by vinny41
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[candide]

24 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

At the moment the plant in the Netherlands is not approved to supply anyone in the EU as it doesn't have regulatory approval

Without regulatory approval, vaccines produced at Halix cannot be used in the EU.

So what? AZ is not even approved in the US and jabs are stored to be used after approval.

Interestingly enough the reason why it is not yet approved is......... that AZ has not sought approval! ????

Hmmmm! 

Edited March 21, 2021 by candide

[david555]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/21/eu-export-ban-would-delay-uk-covid-vaccine-drive-by-two-months

 

EU export ban would delay UK Covid vaccine drive by two months

Exclusive: Halting distribution would hit Britain badly but not significantly help EU, analysis finds

 latest updates

 

 

Daniel Boffey in Brussels

Sun 21 Mar 2021 18.00 GMT

 

Britain’s Covid vaccine programme faces a two-month delay in the event of an EU export ban, derailing the government’s plans to reopen the economy this summer, an analysis for the Guardian reveals.

 

A ban, due to be debated by leaders of the 27 EU member states on Thursday, would badly stall the UK vaccination effort, and would be likely to force the government to extend restrictions on people’s lives

Edited March 22, 2021 by david555

[david555]

Now this again ...what is it we may no known about ....????

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1416758/AstraZeneca-vaccine-Berlin-hospital-women-under-55-safety-concerns-stop-using-EU

 

AstraZeneca vaccine fears: Berlin hospitals stop using jab for women under 55

 

HOSPITALS in Berlin have stopped using AstraZeneca for all women under the age of 55, in the latest blow to the Oxford vaccine suppliers coming from Europe.

 

By ALESSANDRA SCOTTO DI SANTOLO

10:49, Tue, Mar 30, 2021 | UPDATED: 12:07, Tue, Mar

 

more....

 

Edited March 30, 2021 by david555

[cocoonclub]

5 hours ago, david555 said:

Now this again ...what is it we may no known about ....????

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1416758/AstraZeneca-vaccine-Berlin-hospital-women-under-55-safety-concerns-stop-using-EU

 

AstraZeneca vaccine fears: Berlin hospitals stop using jab for women under 55

 

 

Not only Berlin. Munich and some other German cities as well. Canada as well. The German vaccine committee will probably change their guidelines so expect the whole of Germany to follow suit soon. 

Apparently there is a significant higher risk for this group, and given the fact that they can be given an mRNA vaccine instead, that seems to be the favorable solution from a risk management perspective. 

 

"Following population-based analyses of VIPIT assessing risk of COVID-19 disease by age, and considering that alternate products are available (i.e., mRNA vaccines), from what is known at this time, there is substantial uncertainty about the benefit of providing AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine to adults under 55 years of age given that the potential risks associated with VIPIT, particularly at the lower estimated rates," committee officials said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/29/americas/canada-astrazeneca-vaccine-intl/index.html

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2021 by cocoonclub

[Hi from France]

Note the Russian Sputnik V has the same ADN technology.. Along with a very dubious reputation in manipulating testing data.