After fiery start, U.S. officials conclude 'tough' talks with China in Alaska

[stevenl]

28 minutes ago, impulse said:

Give it time.  The Big Guy hasn't really done anything yet.  Except fall down, forget words, and have his name show up on T-shirts traveling north..

 

So far there is a structured approach to the issues, which is a nice change. I don't agree with all, but at least there is a plan.

[BusyB]

11 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Time for people to call out the US on its dreadful hypocrisy. Hang tough China.

In general I observe that the only time governments tend to tell the truth is usually when they are referring to other countries' governments. Otherwise hypocrisy rules. Anyone who believes their own side's propaganda deserves everything they get.

A reading of the opening statements by both sides of this pow wow is quite enlightening.

Edited March 20, 2021 by BusyB
grammar tweak

[bangon04]

Simplistically - the CCP/China is a bully. We all know deep down how a Bully must eventually be handled.

1)  Allow the Bully to do it and accept the inevitable and recurring "wedgie" with ridicule.

2) Deflect / Bribe / Hide / and run away where possible - until you get caught out as in 1) above.

3) Stand up to the Bully and draw a line. There may be many bruises.....

 

ASEAN is sleepwalking into CCP control.  The only country that the CCP is actually afraid of is Vietnam. History taught them that Vietnam will stand up to them. (and the USA)

[RichardColeman]

Sure China will be quaking from a country led by a man that cannot climb the stairs to his airplane and said somebody else is the US president when giving a speech as the president  !

[impulse]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

So far there is a structured approach to the issues, which is a nice change. I don't agree with all, but at least there is a plan.

I hope you're right, but the "plan" of every administration before the last one was to lay down and let China violate every agreement they signed onto.  Repub and Dem administrations alike, each as bad as the other.

I have never been a fan of The Donald.  But he got China right.

Edited March 20, 2021 by impulse

[Sujo]

13 hours ago, TigerandDog said:

Most where you are maybe, but they are in the minority. I live 15kms from the Myanmar border, and there are more Myanmar people here than Thai, and they ALL call it Myanmar and have NEVER called it Burma. Even the local hill tribe people refer to it as Myanmar. You will most likely find that the Myanmar friends you have are referring to Mynamar under the old dialect name of Bama, and it just sounds like Burma.

No, they call it burma

[ExpatOK]

The China reps ate the US reps for lunch.  It was embarrassing.  As soon as the disrespect started, joe should have called his team back.

[rcuthbert]

10 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

The topic is about China/US talks.  Nothing about Putin or your weird Trump thoughts.

Do you see President Trump in your dreams, your everyday activities?  Get some help, man.

Imagine the World if the USA became isolationist. She has told China, and Russia, stay out of North America - but the rest of the world is yours to do with as you wish.

The USA haters, the EU Anti-Trumpers, et al will soon learn that their Leftist ideologies will not save them. Eventually, they will be begging the USA for help.

The aforementioned powers are not run by simpletons; consequently, they will not do anything similar to the "Bombing of Pearl Harbor", but they will test Biden because he is viewed as a weakling who gained power by indoctrinating the American public with repetitive lies.

Biden reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. He thinks that if we appease China, Russia, and the Mullahs, then all will be fine. Perhaps of greater concern is that there are no longer any Churchillian figures in the USA. Trump undid Obama's appeasement of Russia and China - and look what the Far Left did to him.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-hanson-china-russia-us-triangle-1011-20181010-story.html

 

 

 

 

Edited March 21, 2021 by rcuthbert

[ctxa]

11 hours ago, BusyB said:

In general I observe that the only time governments tend to tell the truth is usually when they are referring to other countries' governments. Otherwise hypocrisy rules. Anyone who believes their own side's propaganda deserves everything they get.

A reading of the opening statements by both sides of this pow wow is quite enlightening.

Well, that is the point of competence. Many of us who run a business, at some point will end up bashing our competitors with things that most likely are <deleted>. It’s human nature, the bigger the competence, the bigger the <deleted>. Sometimes even between allies, and even between people which should have the same goals (ie, politicians from different parties whose ultimate goal should be the well-being of the people of that country, yet they engage in constantly bashing each other with loads of bull). 
 

Westerners criticize Chinese for being brainwashed and believe propaganda, but then they do the same and swallow every piece of propaganda their country releases. I guess it’s the same for Chinese who criticize us of bull<deleted>ting yet they also believe everything. 
 

At the end of the day, no need to listen to what politicians tells us about some country. Better travel there, and you will see that no matter whether it is the US, or China, or Iran, or Canada, or whatever…. chances are you will enjoy it much more than the politicians want you to believe you will! 

[heybruce]

12 hours ago, impulse said:

Give it time.  The Big Guy hasn't really done anything yet.  Except fall down, forget words, and have his name show up on T-shirts traveling north..

Pass the $1.9 trillion covid relief bill, send two carrier strike groups for exercises in the South China Sea, undo a lot of Trump executive orders...

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

I hope you're right, but the "plan" of every administration before the last one was to lay down and let China violate every agreement they signed onto.  Repub and Dem administrations alike, each as bad as the other.

I have never been a fan of The Donald.  But he got China right.

How did Trump get China right?  Do you think the tariffs paid for by US consumers, farmers being shut out of the Chinese market, and abandoning leadership on trade deals that could have contained China were the right things to do?

Don't listen to the noise Trump makes, look at what he actually did or did not accomplish.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

The China reps ate the US reps for lunch.  It was embarrassing.  As soon as the disrespect started, joe should have called his team back.

That's not the way the article, or any other credible news source, describes the meeting.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, rcuthbert said:

Imagine the World if the USA became isolationist. She has told China, and Russia, stay out of North America - but the rest of the world is yours to do with as you wish.

The USA haters, the EU Anti-Trumpers, et al will soon learn that their Leftist ideologies will not save them. Eventually, they will be begging the USA for help.

The aforementioned powers are not run by simpletons; consequently, they will not do anything similar to the "Bombing of Pearl Harbor", but they will test Biden because he is viewed as a weakling who gained power by indoctrinating the American public with repetitive lies.

Biden reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. He thinks that if we appease China, Russia, and the Mullahs, then all will be fine. Perhaps of greater concern is that there are no longer any Churchillian figures in the USA. Trump undid Obama's appeasement of Russia and China - and look what the Far Left did to him.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-hanson-china-russia-us-triangle-1011-20181010-story.html

In what way has Biden appeased China, Russia, or any other hostile country?  How does he resemble Neville Chamberlain?

If anyone, it is Trump who resembled Chamberlain.  Chamberlain allowed Hitler to occupy the Sudetenland and then Czechoslovakia,   Trump allowed Turkey to occupy land held by our Kurdish allies in Syria.

[heybruce]

19 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I guess you've never heard of the S400 missile system purely developed for defending.

To wonder why they developed it is not rocket science excuse the pun. ????

It is an anti-aircraft system based on 1990's technology. 

19 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah why not google the Russian S400 missile system bought buy Turkey no less which was being objected to by the US of course.

Turkey don't wanna buy out of date US stuff. 

Not just the US, all of NATO besides Turkey objected to the purchase of an anti-aircraft system that is not compatible with the rest of NATO's defense systems.  Turkey bought it as a political statement, not because it is superior to western systems.

[heybruce]

18 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

you better get allied with Russia then. With China going to the moon with them you could be up ***** creek without a sickle. Though Boris is talking about nuking up a few weapons so you may be saved lol..

Wow!  Russia and China together might be able to do what the US did more than 50 years ago.

[heybruce]

17 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Do you have a problem with google or are you another brainwashed person. 

Do you have a problem with google?  If not. you should be able to reference credible sources to support your questionable claims.  Assuming such sources exist.

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, rcuthbert said:

Imagine the World if the USA became isolationist. She has told China, and Russia, stay out of North America - but the rest of the world is yours to do with as you wish.

The USA haters, the EU Anti-Trumpers, et al will soon learn that their Leftist ideologies will not save them. Eventually, they will be begging the USA for help.

The aforementioned powers are not run by simpletons; consequently, they will not do anything similar to the "Bombing of Pearl Harbor", but they will test Biden because he is viewed as a weakling who gained power by indoctrinating the American public with repetitive lies.

Biden reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. He thinks that if we appease China, Russia, and the Mullahs, then all will be fine. Perhaps of greater concern is that there are no longer any Churchillian figures in the USA. Trump undid Obama's appeasement of Russia and China - and look what the Far Left did to him.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-hanson-china-russia-us-triangle-1011-20181010-story.html

 

 

 

 

"...but they will test Biden because he is viewed as a weakling who gained power by indoctrinating the American public with repetitive lies."

Seen by whom? Anything you can link to to back up that statement will help the credibility of your post. Not being able to do that will prove it's just your personal opinion.

 

"Trump undid Obama's appeasement of Russia ..."

Are we talking about the same trump?? You know, the guy who's BFF on the political scene was putin? The guy who in all likelihood was controlled from Moscow?
You know, the bone spur guy. That trump???

Edited March 21, 2021 by Phoenix Rising

[Phoenix Rising]

33 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Pass the $1.9 trillion covid relief bill, send two carrier strike groups for exercises in the South China Sea, undo a lot of Trump executive orders...

...not inciting deadly riots, not embarrassing the entire US by tweeting incoherent mind farts, not working against the science of the Covid-19 pandemic....

He's only been in office for a couple of months but the positive impact he's had is already immeasurable.

[stevenl]

9 hours ago, impulse said:

I hope you're right, but the "plan" of every administration before the last one was to lay down and let China violate every agreement they signed onto.  Repub and Dem administrations alike, each as bad as the other.

I have never been a fan of The Donald.  But he got China right.

He would have gotten it right if he had approached China together with allies. Unfortunately he alienated these first, so he started a unwinnable tradewar by himself.

[Rimmer]

An off topic troll post has been removed

[Phoenix Rising]

16 hours ago, rcuthbert said:

http://www.themorningchronicle.in/wp-content/uploads/s-400.jpg

Just out of curiosity what are those photos supposed to prove??

[Kwasaki]

55 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Do you have a problem with google?  If not. you should be able to reference credible sources to support your questionable claims.  Assuming such sources exist.

This is getting a bit off topic so best mention China has S400 system and also have a quite efficient one themselves. 

No I do not have a problem with google it's a good source of info for anyone to look up, if anyone question claims. 

Missile Systems do get serviced and minor development while in service until a more advanced one is developed.

Sources still rate S400 system No.1. and the S500 is on it's way. 

[codemonkey]

On 3/20/2021 at 2:41 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Zhang Qian 200 BCE.

More like sending a strong message to biden that CN has zero respect for him and his admin....ZERO respect. China smells blood now as does Putin. They are making a joke of Biden! It's humiliating for America

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

This is getting a bit off topic so best mention China has S400 system and also have a quite efficient one themselves. 

No I do not have a problem with google it's a good source of info for anyone to look up, if anyone question claims. 

Missile Systems do get serviced and minor development while in service until a more advanced one is developed.

Sources still rate S400 system No.1. and the S500 is on it's way. 

Well, you hard hitting facts, links to impeccable sources and eloquent arguments have totally convince me you're right - Russia is way ahead. Here's more proof!:

Star Wars fans build Mandalorian spaceship in Siberia

 

[Phoenix Rising]

6 minutes ago, codemonkey said:

More like sending a strong message to biden that CN has zero respect for him and his admin....ZERO respect. China smells blood now as does Putin. They are making a joke of Biden! It's humiliating for America

Well isn't it refreshing to have a President that doesn't do the job for them.

[heybruce]

33 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

This is getting a bit off topic so best mention China has S400 system and also have a quite efficient one themselves. 

No I do not have a problem with google it's a good source of info for anyone to look up, if anyone question claims. 

Missile Systems do get serviced and minor development while in service until a more advanced one is developed.

Sources still rate S400 system No.1. and the S500 is on it's way. 

You claim you don't have a problem with google yet you still haven't provided a source for any of your claims.  Specifically, you have repeatedly posted that the S400 is superior to any US system and repeatedly ignored all requests and challenges to justify your claim.

[heybruce]

34 minutes ago, codemonkey said:

More like sending a strong message to biden that CN has zero respect for him and his admin....ZERO respect. China smells blood now as does Putin. They are making a joke of Biden! It's humiliating for America

More claims completely unsupported by facts.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

<snip>No I do not have a problem with google it's a good source of info for anyone to look up, if anyone question claims. <snip>

Nice attempt at deflection. The one making the claims should proof them, not the other way round.

[Phoenix Rising]

51 minutes ago, rcuthbert said:

 

Why are you equating Nazi Germany with Turkey?

If that's your takeaway from heybruce's post you're not interested in debating, only arguing and trolling.

[RocketDog]

The CCP has no interest or intention of cooperation or negotiation. Those words are only in their dictionary with respect to how other nations should deal with them. 

Their entire goal is clear. They seek only to bloviate, obfuscate, procrastinate, constipate, denigrate, innervate, decimate, and ultimately to dominate any  discussions. 

The CCP represents a clear and present danger to every country on the planet as well as its own citizenry. The sooner this becomes international  consensus the sooner China can find a useful place in international affairs.