CBD/THC for Depression/Anxiety?

[RocketDog]

On 4/7/2021 at 3:03 PM, IvorBiggun2 said:

Same applies to antidepressants. If you believe in them they may work. My understanding is that they only help about 50% of people that take them.

 

 

 I do live with it and I do understand it I think. But I'd just like to try something different to conventional medicines. Until I do, I won't know, pure and simple.

OP:

I don't disagree that you should try both CBD & THC oils. 

I will not attempt to provide any proof of my statement for several reasons but..... 

I very strongly believe that THC oil will only deepen your depression. It may allow you to sleep more, which is often the only relief one can find from depression, with or without antidepressants. It is not without its own price though. 

 

You can only convince yourself of this by trying. In any event you will find it very difficult to legally source either oil here despite all the lip service it's gotten in the Thai press; its all white noise. 

 

Against my better judgment I felt compelled to pass this on since you asked with sincerity, even as I expect several outraged bellicose rebukes because that's the general mood of most of these forums lately.

My advice is worth somewhat less than what you paid for it. 

[IvorBiggun2]

57 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

In any event you will find it very difficult to legally source either oil here despite all the lip service it's gotten in the Thai press; its all white noise. 

I managed to buy THC 1.7% oil yesterday from my rural government hospital for 538 Baht. Including the 50 Baht hospital fee for the doctor. Why I ended up with THC was an error by the doctor who issued it instead of CBD. I didn't see this error til I left so .............

I started the taking of the THC this morning, as per instructions. As of yet I have not seen any signs of it working. 

 

[Tropposurfer]

A a thirty year experienced Master degree psychotherapist ... I am not a doctor so take this with whatever salt dose you think is needed ... I would strongly suggest to anyone and yourself too never to self-diagnose (not sure if you`'ve done this?), self-prescribe, or self-medicate except for paracetamol (even this in large singular-does can be fatal).

Certainly NEVER ever self-medicate for a serious mood disorder such as one of the bipolar group which you say you've got.

Have you been diagnosed as having one of the bipolar disorders by a fully qualified psychiatrist or Dr of psychology? ... and have taken medication for this in the past? 

If you have had a 'semi-diagnosis' from someone who 'suspects' you've got BPD (lots of Gp's will do this!!!!!) but have never had a comprehensive examination, and diagnosis, and then psychiatrist-supervised testing of medications to see if and which might have a positive impact on your mood-disorder then get this done ASAP.

If you yourself know you have a cycling of mood from up to down and it's severe enough to affect you capacity to function safely and productively, and impacts your relationship with self and others and self-disciplining and motivation doesn't cut through the darkness and mania then consult ASAP.

Always consult with either a Dr of Psychology or a fully board certified psychiatrist. NEVER SELF DIAGNOSE, SELF-PRESCRIBE AND ADMINISTER MEDICATIONS ... other than mild analgesics for a headache, and even in this case if a headache persisting then consult a physician ASAP.

I would also suggest that you don't allow a GP to diagnose you with BPD and start prescribing medications (they are not qualified to do so) this can cause a lot of unnecessary angst and unpleasant side effects and possibly other more serious issues should you have an extreme adverse reaction to any medications prescribed.

Remember when you take psychotropic medication you are directly, and powerfully intervening in the way your brain behaves. 

I know it is relatively easy to go to some pharmaceutical places in Thailand (and other far flung places) and be given psychotropic medications but I would caution everyone who reads this NOT to do that. 

I know of a few folks who went down the 'chemical shopping' route when they moved to Thailand after leaving behind their home countries safety-restrictive medication dispensing laws and every one of them either died because of the misuse and ensuing escalation of mood issues or ended up with other psychiatric issues like terrifying psychotic breaks, permanent tardive dyskinesia, and in a couple of cases late-onset schizophrenia after adding THC/street bought pot/cannabis oil/medical marijuana, and or regular other than very mild alcohol intake, and non-prescribed psychotropics.   

[thmebe]

On 4/24/2021 at 1:26 PM, Aomelia said:

Sawasdee Clinic  near Din Muang , go get your certification for 200 b and CBD oil snd tinctures 

 

Do they have THC also ?

 

[suzannegoh]

Is 1.7%THC as strong as the tinctures prescribed in Thailand get?  Maybe that’s strong enough to treat hypochondria,  but it seems to be being recommended for everything up to and including cancer.

[paddypower]

On 4/7/2021 at 12:52 PM, Tagged said:

CBD is todays snake oil, and misunderstand me right. There is so many people with different issues, who need the escape, and willing to construct evidence for cbd is the messias coming to save you for everything, and anything. For sure, it might help for awhile as long you believe strong enough. And for sure, some it will do good, and they can handle it, and they do not get harmed by it, or do not harm anyone doing it. 

 

But, there is a huge but, is it so good as you can read, or is it not? Bipolarity is a complex illness, and for long term us, Im not so sure atall,  it will be good, but I am not sure long term use of ordinary medicine is good either. Yes it can help when you need it, but staying on medication for lifetime? Nope, 

 

Do I believe bipolar need medication, oh yes, and do I believe medication helps, yes, I believe so, but again, medication is not enough, and it doesnt give you any freepass to live reckless and do what everybody elses doing. 

 

As said biplarity is very complex illness, and it doesnt go away, it will be with you for lifetime, and the more you understand yourself how to live with it, and how to handle it, the better. 

 

From what I personally know, and from what I have learned from others, and from what I have studied, CBD oil can help short term and should only bee used short term only if ever. 

such true words. if you've lived with a partner with bipolar for 40+ years, you know that truth. Meds are a curse and a partial cure. the side effects can be worse than the cure. from all the books and research I have read and from personal experience - NEVER self medicate. what I do believe helps, in order of importance, is your environment, freedom from stressors, consult a specialist, and, maybe a bit of weed

[paddypower]

On 4/6/2021 at 7:02 AM, Iforbach said:

I'm no doctor...but I find exercise helps me ..long walks ..and I do 20000 steps most days and only recently started low carb eating ..@ healthy eating ..again ..I think it benefits..me ..all the best 

absolutely agree! it might sound odd to mention more non-medical habits which might help, but consider where your environment is and is it having an impact. Sunshine is magic. Living in a sunny climate is of tremendous help, b/c most people you will meet are happy. learn how to breath. My partner's psycho referred her to this: https://www.cordem.org/globalassets/files/academic-assembly/2017-aa/handouts/day-three/biofeedback-exercises-for-stress-2---fernances-j.pdf. One final thing, as a partner, dealing with a bipolar partner, I found that speaking openly about it has been a great help for both of us.

 

[Aomelia]

4 hours ago, thmebe said:

 

Do they have THC also ?

 

The one at Indra Mall next to Bioyoke sky advertising THC , not sure about Sawasdee haven’t been in a while 

[IvorBiggun2]

18 hours ago, paddypower said:

One final thing, as a partner, dealing with a bipolar partner, I found that speaking openly about it has been a great help for both of us.

 

 

By far the best form of medication.

[Eindhoven]

On 4/25/2021 at 8:34 AM, paddypower said:

absolutely agree! it might sound odd to mention more non-medical habits which might help, but consider where your environment is and is it having an impact. Sunshine is magic. Living in a sunny climate is of tremendous help, b/c most people you will meet are happy. learn how to breath. My partner's psycho referred her to this: https://www.cordem.org/globalassets/files/academic-assembly/2017-aa/handouts/day-three/biofeedback-exercises-for-stress-2---fernances-j.pdf. One final thing, as a partner, dealing with a bipolar partner, I found that speaking openly about it has been a great help for both of us.

 

 

If they even admit they have a problem....which is the most difficult part. Admitting there is a problem is half the battle won.

[Tagged]

28 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

If they even admit they have a problem....which is the most difficult part. Admitting there is a problem is half the battle won.

To admit you have a problem is the least problem, the biggest  problem for many, is that they struggle to know whats going on for a lifetime before got the help needed to be screened propely and get a name, a diagnose so they can put words to it and also start educating themselves.

Edited May 4, 2021 by Tagged

[Eindhoven]

2 hours ago, Tagged said:

To admit you have a problem is the least problem, the biggest  problem for many, is that they struggle to know whats going on for a lifetime before got the help needed to be screened propely and get a name, a diagnose so they can put words to it and also start educating themselves.

 

 

Hmmm....

 

It's half the battle ecause they would have at least begun to look into it. It's the people who simply blame everyone else for their problems/thoughts/behaviour that do the most damage, because they don't even get to the step of admitting they have a problem at all.

[Tagged]

1 hour ago, Eindhoven said:

 

 

Hmmm....

 

It's half the battle ecause they would have at least begun to look into it. It's the people who simply blame everyone else for their problems/thoughts/behaviour that do the most damage, because they don't even get to the step of admitting they have a problem at all.

Even same diagnoses, there is a whole specter of differences how it show on each individual. Some never shows any indication there is any wrong at all, but the individual is aware something is wrong, and then you have the other side of the specter where the individual shows clearly there is problems, but still the self awerness have yet not kicked in. 

 

 

[Eindhoven]

4 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Even same diagnoses, there is a whole specter of differences how it show on each individual. Some never shows any indication there is any wrong at all, but the individual is aware something is wrong, and then you have the other side of the specter where the individual shows clearly there is problems, but still the self awerness have yet not kicked in. 

 

 

 

 

So the first appears to be on a better footing, as they can at least begin to find out what gives them relief. The latter appears harder to overcome; if behavioural problems cannot be modified due to there being no understanding of them in the first instance....or is it a case of ignorance is bliss?

[Tagged]

43 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

 

So the first appears to be on a better footing, as they can at least begin to find out what gives them relief. The latter appears harder to overcome; if behavioural problems cannot be modified due to there being no understanding of them in the first instance....or is it a case of ignorance is bliss?

Even you know there is problems or you experience hard times, there is no tools to work with if you do not know exactly what is your diognose, and trust me, I knew from I was 12 I was different, but until I was 47 I could not put words to it. But finely one dr took me seriously. Even you know you experience difficulties, it doesnt stop your reaction pattern, and other things that leads you out on the difficult path. To one surten group of people you can be the best, but those who trigger your bad emotions, you can be their worst enemy. As said, it is a whole specter to cover when you struggle with something serious as bipolar. I was lucky to have my extreme sport to keep me humble, and also creative that took me places, and kept my spirit up. Afther awhile it get to be a lifestyle, on and off, seek and hide. 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Tagged

[DaltonSchmidt]

Thanks for sharing your journey—it sounds like you've navigated quite a unique path.

[SageWiley]

Understanding and articulating what you're going through can be a game-changer. And yes, it's amazing when someone finally takes you seriously. Your insight on coping through extreme sports is fascinating—what a powerful way to stay grounded and creative!

[DaltonSchmidt]

21 hours ago, SageWiley said:

Understanding and articulating what you're going through can be a game-changer. And yes, it's amazing when someone finally takes you seriously. Your insight on coping through extreme sports is fascinating—what a powerful way to stay grounded and creative!

By the way, this article on neuroatypical and neurodivergent mental health might resonate with you https://fherehab.com/learning/neuroatypical-neurodivergent-mental-health. Keep embracing that unique lifestyle of seek and hide, and know you're not alone on this journey!

[Fr87]

I believe that weed will only magnify those disorders especially given they are already present and manifesting.

 

Easy way to find out. Smoke some and see if you feel less anxious and depressed. My hunch is you doubtfully might get a bit of relief in safety and comfort at home but out in public it will magnify your psychological issues. 

[omnipresent]

On 4/24/2021 at 1:18 PM, IvorBiggun2 said:

I started the taking of the THC this morning

Did you continue and did it work?

 

I've found that THC (but not really CBD) helps with anxiety.

 

[RichExp]

I've been down the antidepressant road, and you're spot on – it's a hit or miss for many. Considering CBD and THC is an interesting route. I personally haven't tried it, but I've heard mixed reviews. Start the journey by exploring https://www.trythecbd.com. Some swear by it, while others share cautionary tales. It's all about finding what clicks for you. I get the hesitation with conventional meds; sometimes, the side effects can be a rollercoaster. Your curiosity to explore alternatives is admirable. Just remember, it's a personal experience, and what works for one might not for another.

Edited February 14 by RichExp

[cheskakim]

I tried both CBD and THC, but didn't help. Vaping is better.

[orang37]

I’ve used CBD in the past for mood management, and it worked well for a few months, but then its effectiveness seemed to wear off. After that, I switched to vaping, and I’ve found it more helpful for managing stress and mood swings. I vape NEXA Pro 30000, it’s been a good fit for me.

[Gottsy]

On 4/4/2021 at 1:34 PM, Sametboy2019 said:

Its your body your choice

Oh very helpfull

[IsaanExpat]

How is your Journey coming along OP? Just checking in on you👍