AstraZeneca Covid vaccine will be Thailand’s ‘principal’ shot, says health minister

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The coronavirus shot developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford will be Thailand’s “principal vaccine,” said Anutin Charnvirakul, Thai deputy prime minister and public health minister.

 

More than 150,000 people have been inoculated with the AstraZeneca vaccine and the percentage of people who developed side effects “is considered very low,” said Anutin.

 

Renewed safety concerns around the AstraZeneca-Oxford shot led countries including Germany and Netherlands to halt the use of the vaccine for people under 60.

 

Full story: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/05/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-will-be-thailands-principal-shot-health-minister.html

 

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[ThailandRyan]

So are your telling me we will still have a choice if you allow the private hospitals to pursue other vaccines right? Or that only the vaccine you decide in principal will be used and produce yourselves is what we will be allowed to obtain. Sorry, but I think I will wait until I have my choice Mr. Anutin.  

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

The coronavirus shot developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford will be Thailand’s “principal vaccine,” said Anutin Charnvirakul,

The timing on this could have been better.

 

UK medicines regulator considers issuing new advice over Oxford-AstraZeneca jab

https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-medicines-regulator-considers-issuing-new-advice-over-oxford-astrazeneca-jab

 

[rasmus5150]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

More than 150,000 people have been inoculated with the AstraZeneca vaccine and the percentage of people who developed side effects “is considered very low,” said Anutin.

 

And now they are trying to sell their vaccine under a different name  - "Vaxzevria".

But people will still remember all the bad press, no matter what name it changes to.

 

I believe that Thailand can get this vaccine at rock-bottom price, since many European countries ban or put some age-restriction on this vaccine. Anutin doesn't care about the safety - only the price.

[PFMills]

9 minutes ago, rasmus5150 said:

 

And now they are trying to sell their vaccine under a different name  - "Vaxzevria".

But people will still remember all the bad press, no matter what name it changes to.

 

I believe that Thailand can get this vaccine at rock-bottom price, since many European countries ban or put some age-restriction on this vaccine. Anutin doesn't care about the safety - only the price.

He will probably buy anything he can get his hands on as it appears something went wrong in the initial ordering process 

[ThailandRyan]

20 minutes ago, rasmus5150 said:

 

And now they are trying to sell their vaccine under a different name  - "Vaxzevria".

But people will still remember all the bad press, no matter what name it changes to.

 

I believe that Thailand can get this vaccine at rock-bottom price, since many European countries ban or put some age-restriction on this vaccine. Anutin doesn't care about the safety - only the price.

However, why buy it when they will be producing it in country.

[sungod]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

The timing on this could have been better.

 

UK medicines regulator considers issuing new advice over Oxford-AstraZeneca jab

https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-medicines-regulator-considers-issuing-new-advice-over-oxford-astrazeneca-jab

 

So 1 in a million 'may' get a blood clot?

 

Will you be stayiong home today incase you get hit by a bus?

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

32 minutes ago, sungod said:

So 1 in a million 'may' get a blood clot?

 

Will you be stayiong home today incase you get hit by a bus?

 

 

No will you? Just reporting the news, would you prefer it to be suppressed?

 

 

[JoePai]

1 hour ago, PFMills said:

He will probably buy anything he can get his hands on as it appears something went wrong in the initial ordering process 

Just copying the EU

[khunpeer]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

So are your telling me we will still have a choice if you allow the private hospitals to pursue other vaccines right? Or that only the vaccine you decide in principal will be used and produce yourselves is what we will be allowed to obtain. Sorry, but I think I will wait until I have my choice Mr. Anutin.  

I agree, better wait for Johnson's one shot! 

[brucegoniners]

No thanks. I'll pay for one of the big 3.

[mtls2005]

Betting all your chips on one number is not usually recommended, even with a lucky amulet.

 

But he doesn't have any real options.

 

The SiamBioscience -AstraZeneca thing could turn out OK. If it doesn't it will be interesting who suffers from that failure. SB/AZ are on record as delivering 10 million doses in June. Let's see if they hit that target, even before 1 July.

 

Finally, the government is said to still be restricting private hospitals from even trying to place orders.

 

 

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

So are your telling me we will still have a choice if you allow the private hospitals to pursue other vaccines right? Or that only the vaccine you decide in principal will be used and produce yourselves is what we will be allowed to obtain. Sorry, but I think I will wait until I have my choice Mr. Anutin.  

I think that's going to be a very long wait.

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, PFMills said:

He will probably buy anything he can get his hands on as it appears something went wrong in the initial ordering process 

Yeah.... there wasn't one.

[DLock]

He makes it sound like this is a free choice...

 

When someone important has invested in a vaccine factory in Thailand...it kind of limits your options.

[gunderhill]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The timing on this could have been better.

 

UK medicines regulator considers issuing new advice over Oxford-AstraZeneca jab

https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-medicines-regulator-considers-issuing-new-advice-over-oxford-astrazeneca-jab

 

Lets  get some perspective instead of  fear mongering. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56620646

 

The seasonal flu jab has around a one-in-a-million chance of causing the nerve disorder Guillain-Barre syndrome.

So, the real question is: Are the risks worth the benefits?

Even if the vaccine was the cause, and this is still not proven, the numbers suggest around one death in every 2.5 million people vaccinated.

However, this has to be weighed against the known threat posed by coronavirus.

If 2.5 million 60-year-old people caught coronavirus then around 50,000 would die. If they were all 40-year-olds then around 2,500 would die.

This balance of risk and benefit will continue to be assessed as more safety data comes in and as the vaccine programme moves into younger people, who are at lower risk of dying from Covid-19.

One scientist has told the BBC that evidence is growing that the blood clot events are "causally related", although he stressed that the benefits of taking the AstraZeneca vaccine still far outweighed the risks of not getting the jab.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

Lets  get some perspective instead of  fear mongering. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56620646

 

The seasonal flu jab has around a one-in-a-million chance of causing the nerve disorder Guillain-Barre syndrome.

So, the real question is: Are the risks worth the benefits?

Even if the vaccine was the cause, and this is still not proven, the numbers suggest around one death in every 2.5 million people vaccinated.

However, this has to be weighed against the known threat posed by coronavirus.

If 2.5 million 60-year-old people caught coronavirus then around 50,000 would die. If they were all 40-year-olds then around 2,500 would die.

This balance of risk and benefit will continue to be assessed as more safety data comes in and as the vaccine programme moves into younger people, who are at lower risk of dying from Covid-19.

One scientist has told the BBC that evidence is growing that the blood clot events are "causally related", although he stressed that the benefits of taking the AstraZeneca vaccine still far outweighed the risks of not getting the jab.

I see no one fear mongering, be that in the Channel 4 news report yesterday or the BBC report you linked to from 2 days ago? Both reports offer the same broad content so whats your point exactly?

[gunderhill]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I see no one fear mongering, be that in the Channel 4 news report yesterday or the BBC report you linked to from 2 days ago? Both reports offer the same broad content so whats your point exactly?

Just in case  some members  take it as  such, I didnt say YOU were  fear  mongering, am awaiting the stream of  replies  saying I aint takin no vaccine  etc, big  pharma etc etc

[gunderhill]

35 minutes ago, brucegoniners said:

No thanks. I'll pay for one of the big 3.

There  have been 2  cases  of  clots using pzifer in 10  million so  far.

[John Drake]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

So are your telling me we will still have a choice if you allow the private hospitals to pursue other vaccines right? Or that only the vaccine you decide in principal will be used and produce yourselves is what we will be allowed to obtain. Sorry, but I think I will wait until I have my choice Mr. Anutin.  

 

My physician at a private hospital said last Wednesday that he expected the hospital would have as its two choices J&J and Moderna in July.

[mtls2005]

6 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

My physician at a private hospital said last Wednesday that he expected the hospital would have as its two choices J&J and Moderna in July.

 

AFAIK, the government has restricted private companies from importing any vaccines. At least that's what's "hinted at" in some Thai press.

 

Hopefully your physician is correct, that's a lot more detail than I've been able to gather, which is still limited to "something" being available in Q421 (October at the earliest). And no clue how these might be doled out? Platinum customers? Auction? Credit card promotion? Age/risk/health factors? 

 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2021 by mtls2005

[John Drake]

3 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

AFAIK, the government has restricted private companies from importing any vaccines. At least that's what's "hinted at" in some Thai press.

 

Hopefully your physician is correct, that's a lot more detail than I've been able to gather, which is still limited to "something" being available in Q421 (October at the earliest). And no clue how these might be doled out? Platinum customers? Auction? Credit card promotion? Age/risk/health factors? 

 

 

 

 

I can only report what he said. I don't think private hospitals will be allowed to dispense their shots until the government program is well under way. That would simply look too bad, rich foreigners and hisos getting a shot while everyone else waits for the problem plagued AZ to get out to the proles.

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

Just in case  some members  take it as  such, I didnt say YOU were  fear  mongering, am awaiting the stream of  replies  saying I aint takin no vaccine  etc, big  pharma etc etc

Got it, thats always a dilemma when these reports come out but for the majority of people they take them for what they are, transparent reporting which is crucial, whats important is the truth be found.

 

I agree there is a risk ratio element to consider even if a link were found but in the meantime the scientists as you know are examining the data as best they can but it takes time.

 

One question I have and its not at all fear mongering but a consideration. If blood clots and deaths as a result of the vaccine are occurring, we are currently only hearing about those cases which have been officially reported. Is it possible there are many other people walking around right now with blood clots and will not know about it till its too late, be that weeks or years from now?

[internationalism]

 

his english in this pre-recorded interview is surprisingly good, that is in sharp contrast to his fame as xenophobic nationalist kicking out from the country dirty farangs and in comparison to his senior cabinet members.

but there is discrepancy in quoted figures. Article states that 150k were vaccinated, but anutin said 250k. Because just a day or two before that figure was only 100k I do suspect, that both figures in the article are grossly inflated.

the going daily rate is some 4k, well below health system capacity, but it's done on purpose, for some unknown reasons. Possibly they keep it for out brakes, but if they rolled out immediately all vax stock, which is 1mln 117k there well might not be any outbrake

[mtls2005]

35 minutes ago, John Drake said:

I don't think private hospitals will be allowed to dispense their shots until the government program is well under way. That would simply look too bad, rich foreigners and hisos getting a shot while everyone else waits for the problem plagued AZ to get out to the proles.

 

Agreed.

 

I'm just curious if orders have been placed, if orders have been confirmed and what are the estimated ship dates? If orders have not yet been placed, then I'd question the July date.

 

And allowing vaccinated foreigners into the country, even waving their tourist cash, while the plebs remain unvaccinated might be a bad look too?

 

 

Waiting for the HiSos who travel, to post their experiences getting a vaccination on IG in another country. Ouch.

[vandeventer]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

 

My physician at a private hospital said last Wednesday that he expected the hospital would have as its two choices J&J and Moderna in July.

Time is running out for us with all these invisible tourist coming. I would still prefer the J&J vaccine but it would nice to have a choice.

[sungod]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

No will you? Just reporting the news, would you prefer it to be suppressed?

 

 

No,  you go on about Covid like an old woman all the time. You seemed to be obsessed with doom and gloom.

Edited April 6, 2021 by sungod

[Proboscis]

4 hours ago, PFMills said:

He will probably buy anything he can get his hands on as it appears something went wrong in the initial ordering process 

AstraZenica is currently is such demand that supplies are only available through its Indian manufacturer and distributed in Asia through the GAVI/COVAX program.

[Bkk Brian]

29 minutes ago, sungod said:

No,  you go on about Covid like an old woman all the time. You seemed to be obsessed with doom and gloom.

Yes I must stop linking to reputable sources and leave you to cheer lead. Thanks for your input.

[sungod]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I must stop linking to reputable sources and leave you to cheer lead. Thanks for your input.

 

 

No worries, happy to help!