J & J vaccine paused due to rare blood clot syndrome.

[mommysboy]

Hope they can get this sorted, as the world really needs this and the AZ (and possibly SputnikV) vaccine.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56733715

 

Perspective is required.

[cormanr7]

The Atlantic has a story that summarizes possible reasons for the blood clotting. Nothing definite but an interesting read: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/04/vaccine-related-blood-clot-mystery-must-be-solved/618623/

Edited April 20, 2021 by cormanr7
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[Caldera]

Meanwhile it's just been approved in the EU.

[friendofthai]

Outside the western countries, Sputnik is definitely the way to go. But inside the western countries, the Sputnik supporters look like those who drink Coca-Cola inside the Pepsi-Cola factory.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, friendofthai said:

Outside the western countries, Sputnik is definitely the way to go. But inside the western countries, the Sputnik supporters look like those who drink Coca-Cola inside the Pepsi-Cola factory.

Another manifestation of vaccine nationalism and vaccine diplomacy. No doubt Russia and China are trying to buy influence by flooding many poorer countries with their vaccines.  In my view, any vaccines that are effective and safe are welcome. As we've heard the Chinese vaccines aren't as effected as some others, even admitted by the Chinese. 

Edited April 20, 2021 by Jingthing

[friendofthai]

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Another manifestation of vaccine nationalism and vaccine diplomacy. No doubt Russia and China are trying to buy influence by flooding many poorer countries with their vaccines.  In my view, any vaccines that are effective and safe are welcome. As we've heard the Chinese vaccines aren't as effected as some others, even admitted by the Chinese. 

Another manifestation of beverage nationalism and beverage diplomacy. No doubt Coca-Cola and Big-Cola are trying to buy influence by flooding many poorer countries with their beverage.  From the Pepsi-cola point of view view, any beverage that are effective and safe are welcome. As we (the Pepsi-Cola producers) have heard the Chinese Big-Cola aren't as effected as some others, even admitted by the Chinese customers. 

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, friendofthai said:

Another manifestation of beverage nationalism and beverage diplomacy. No doubt Coca-Cola and Big-Cola are trying to buy influence by flooding many poorer countries with their beverage.  From the Pepsi-cola point of view view, any beverage that are effective and safe are welcome. As we (the Pepsi-Cola producers) have heard the Chinese Big-Cola aren't as effected as some others, even admitted by the Chinese customers. 

Coke and Pepsi are both American, dude.

[friendofthai]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Coke and Pepsi are both American, dude.

There is no any difference between concurrency of nations and concurrency of companies.
People are being tired of all those hypocritical "We need another 10,000 proofs". Why don't just say the simple truth that competitors in any field simply cannot say something good about each other. This is what even a 5 year old child understands completely.

[Jingthing]

Just now, friendofthai said:

There is no any difference between concurrency of nations and concurrency of companies.
People are being tired of all those hypocritical "We need another 10,000 proofs". Why don't just say the simple truth that competitors in any field simply cannot say something good about each other. This is what even a 5 year old child understands completely.

Interesting. Maybe I'm.four because I find your analogy incoherent. 

[friendofthai]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Interesting. Maybe I'm.four because I find your analogy incoherent. 

That is very easy to explain. Let's say you love lady Nok. Of course, you would like to inject your "vaccine" for her. And the other guy, John, would also very happy to inject his "vaccine" for lady Nok using his "syringe". You and John are competitors and even 10000 profs will not enough for you to say anything good about the "vaccine producer" John and his "syringe".
This is simply competition.

Edited April 21, 2021 by friendofthai

[friendofthai]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

No doubt Russia and China are trying to buy influence by flooding many poorer countries with their vaccines.

The US are also have their own very clever strategy in this competition. They are trying to become the "supreme judge" in the field of vaccination. And after that the "supreme judge" will claim the 10000 of proofs from every other competitor.
I think this is a very clever strategy that will help to spread US vaccines a lot.

Edited April 21, 2021 by friendofthai

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, friendofthai said:

The US are also have their own very clever strategy in this competition. They are trying to become the "supreme judge" in the field of vaccination. And after that the "supreme judge" will claim the 10000 of profs from every other competitor.
I think this is a very clever strategy that will help to spread US vaccines a lot.

You seem be accusing others of being irrationally biased against China and Russia. Perhaps so but it seems to me you're irrationally biased against the US. Obviously in the area of scientific research more samples, best methods, and transparency are highly desirable. The US government only rules on vaccine approval for the US.

[friendofthai]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You seem be accusing others of being irrationally biased against China and Russia. Perhaps so but it seems to me you're irrationally biased against the US. Obviously in the area of scientific research more samples, best methods, and transparency are highly desirable. The US government only rules on vaccine approval for the US.

You know that every Toyota car that you can find in the US or EU must pay customs duty to enter the country. This is not a sign of "irrationally biased against the Toyota". This is how US is defending its own producers.
So when we see the need of 10000 of proofs for a Chinese and Russian vaccines to enter US or EU this is just a kind of "high customs duty" in field of competition between vaccines. This is very natural actually. Nothing "irrationally biased against". Every country just MUST defend its interests  and its companies.