1 hour ago, Hyna said:

Why should it "ravage" (your word) Burma and Cambodia

No, that is your word, not mine.

The word I used was "raging", like a storm.

A storm can dramatically sweep through a country, but it does not necessarily cause a lot of damage. Almost everyone in those countries will catch Covid-19, some of the most vulnerable will die, and, then, it will burn itself out.

The problem, in the meantime, is that some of the people from those countries migrating into Thailand will bring the storm with them.
 

1 hour ago, Hyna said:

After 18 month,  you still pretend it's just a "fluzinha" (Bolsonaro's famous word).

Again, not my word. This is the first time I have every heard it and I can find no mention of it on Google when I search "fluzinha Bolsonaro".

 

1 hour ago, Hyna said:

but in Thailand it's just "sick for a week"?

In the Thai tourism industry, yes.

The vast majority of Thais in close contact with tourists will be young (under 65) and able-bodied.

Covid-19, or any respiratory illness, is a terrible way to die. It is tragic for those who are vulnerable to it, through age or existing physical ailments.

Covid-19 was a contributor to the majority of Covid-related deaths, not a main cause. The average age of Covid-related death in the UK is 84. The general average age of death in the UK is 82.

For most young people, in particular the healthy Thais, Burmese, and Cambodians in their teens, 20s, and 30s who will be providing service to tourists, the only way to tell that they have this deadly disease will be if they take a test. It is universally accepted that people under 65 years of age have a negligible risk from Covid-19 unless they have comorbidities.

The minority of the young who do develop symptoms might need to stay in bed for a week. Most of that age group who develop symptoms report being pretty bad for a few days but recovering quickly.

In almost all cases, tourism workers will catch it from co-workers or other tourism workers they share accommodation with, not from fully-vaccinated tourists. In most cases, thankfully, they will be renting accommodation, rather than living with elderly members of their family. It will sweep through this demographic of workers fairly quickly and with few if any deaths.

Some young workers with hidden underlying conditions may die, but that is generally a very small % of people, far lower than the suicide figures if you prevent people from working and leave them without hope for several years.

Thereafter, those tourism workers who were not already vaccinated will have natural immunity, making it far harder for the virus to sweep through their cohort again.

 

9 hours ago, Leaver said:

This is why 65% of Thai people have to be vaccinated before borders can open here.

Why... ?

New infections seems to be the controlling number. As an example Portugal was deemed to be a UK green zone, despite a rather low vaccination number (about 30% assuming 2 doses required). It was also new infections that took Portugal back into Amber. 

Thailand can open it's borders when it wishes, its infection numbers will determine if anyone wishes to avail themselves of them. 

On 6/5/2021 at 12:50 AM, elliss said:

 On Line , dare i call it prostitution .. 

  Is easier , and less exspensive . 

  You are arrange to meet you desired lady ,

    in her appartment / or hotel room ..

     K1 , in and out , within an hour ..

    No crazy price , Lady drink / bar fine ..

On line IMO it's not called prostitution, it's called "Escorts" and I dare say those will be found in most countries, regardless of their attitude to the oldest profession.

10 hours ago, Poet said:

No, that is your word, not mine.

The word I used was "raging", like a storm.

A storm can dramatically sweep through a country, but it does not necessarily cause a lot of damage. Almost everyone in those countries will catch Covid-19, some of the most vulnerable will die, and, then, it will burn itself out.

The problem, in the meantime, is that some of the people from those countries migrating into Thailand will bring the storm with them.
 

Again, not my word. This is the first time I have every heard it and I can find no mention of it on Google when I search "fluzinha Bolsonaro".

 

In the Thai tourism industry, yes.

The vast majority of Thais in close contact with tourists will be young (under 65) and able-bodied.

Covid-19, or any respiratory illness, is a terrible way to die. It is tragic for those who are vulnerable to it, through age or existing physical ailments.

Covid-19 was a contributor to the majority of Covid-related deaths, not a main cause. The average age of Covid-related death in the UK is 84. The general average age of death in the UK is 82.

For most young people, in particular the healthy Thais, Burmese, and Cambodians in their teens, 20s, and 30s who will be providing service to tourists, the only way to tell that they have this deadly disease will be if they take a test. It is universally accepted that people under 65 years of age have a negligible risk from Covid-19 unless they have comorbidities.

The minority of the young who do develop symptoms might need to stay in bed for a week. Most of that age group who develop symptoms report being pretty bad for a few days but recovering quickly.

In almost all cases, tourism workers will catch it from co-workers or other tourism workers they share accommodation with, not from fully-vaccinated tourists. In most cases, thankfully, they will be renting accommodation, rather than living with elderly members of their family. It will sweep through this demographic of workers fairly quickly and with few if any deaths.

Some young workers with hidden underlying conditions may die, but that is generally a very small % of people, far lower than the suicide figures if you prevent people from working and leave them without hope for several years.

Thereafter, those tourism workers who were not already vaccinated will have natural immunity, making it far harder for the virus to sweep through their cohort again.

 

Oh dear, posting facts isn't going to make you popular with a certain demographic that are convinced that corona is worse than the Black Death.

Excellent post.

One does have to wonder why certain "leaders" ignore natural immunity after recovering from infection, and demand that EVERYONE has to be vaccinated.

By that logic I should have to be vaccinated for measles, despite being immune as I had it ( before vaccine was available ) already.

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One does have to wonder why certain "leaders" ignore natural immunity after recovering from infection, and demand that EVERYONE has to be vaccinated.

Easily answered,

Because it's not about COVID, it's about control.

The leaders want to say where you live, who you live with, where you travel, what you eat and drink.

Before COVID, if you didn't like your government, you could just move to another country ..... now it's not so easy.

 

And all this off the back of a disease so serious 0.15% of the population might die.

Just now, BritManToo said:

Easily answered,

Because it's not about COVID, it's about control.

The leaders want to say where you live, who you live with, where you travel, what you eat and drink.

Before COVID, if you didn't like your government, you could just move to another country ..... now it's not so easy.

I don't want to agree, but I think we are looking at a China style future, and I'm glad I won't be around to see it.

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

And all this off the back of a disease so serious 0.15% of the population might die.

I believe it was Churchill that said "never let a crisis go to waste".

 

I have no hope of a better future for human kind.

10 hours ago, Poet said:

It is universally accepted that people under 65 years of age have a negligible risk from Covid-19 unless they have comorbidities.

I am shocked that after all what happened in the US and UK you still tell this lie.

"Let the old die, I wanna play and don't care about them. " That would be honest. 

Funny because so many on this forum are old and sick. 

 

The Burmese etc will  infect their Thai co-workers (agreed) but these Thais won't infect their families, including the elderly,  in the rest of the country???

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Poet said:

No, that is your word, not mine.

The word I used was "raging", like a storm.

A storm can dramatically sweep through a country, but it does not necessarily cause a lot of damage. Almost everyone in those countries will catch Covid-19, some of the most vulnerable will die, and, then, it will burn itself out.

The problem, in the meantime, is that some of the people from those countries migrating into Thailand will bring the storm with them.

Covid is more prevalent in Thailand because it's more open to international travel.

 

Your safer going to Burma, as long as you don't get shot in the head!

10 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Why... ?

New infections seems to be the controlling number. As an example Portugal was deemed to be a UK green zone, despite a rather low vaccination number (about 30% assuming 2 doses required). It was also new infections that took Portugal back into Amber. 

Thailand can open it's borders when it wishes, its infection numbers will determine if anyone wishes to avail themselves of them. 

 

I have often said that if Thailand diverted vaccines to Phuket, to vaccinate 65% or more of the Phuket population, then Phuket could open up, if the island was quarantined, despite Thailand having a low number of vaccinated people, nationwide.  

 

Did the whole of Portugal open up, or just the tourist areas?  

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

 

I have no hope of a better future for human kind.

 

      Correct .  That said .

 

       Ref . The good Book . Three score and ten ..

      After which,  the sowing seed is weak . 

       No procreation , of the  human species..

    

The evolution of herd psychology is so much more revealing than the quest for herd immunity.

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

I have often said that if Thailand diverted vaccines to Phuket, to vaccinate 65% or more of the Phuket population, then Phuket could open up, if the island was quarantined, despite Thailand having a low number of vaccinated people, nationwide.  

 

Did the whole of Portugal open up, or just the tourist areas?  

As far as I know all of it.

November or December

 

It's not just about you. The bars need to open and actually turn a profit. The lookers need to return. Everyone needs vaccination.

 

Wake up.

6 hours ago, DerbyDan said:

Covid is more prevalent in Thailand because it's more open to international travel.

 

Your safer going to Burma, as long as you don't get shot in the head!

 

What??

 

Thailand for all intents and purposes that has been locked down tighter than a drum.

 

What let loose this covid was Burmese border crossers. Nothing to do with International jet setters.

2 hours ago, kynikoi said:

What let loose this covid was Burmese border crossers. Nothing to do with International jet setters.

This, a thousand times!

It astonishes me how people can be so unaware of the nature of this pandemic, despite the origins of every outbreak in Thailand being so clearly reported in the media.
 

20 hours ago, Poet said:

It is universally accepted that people under 65 years of age have a negligible risk from Covid-19 unless they have comorbidities.

 

10 hours ago, Hyna said:

I am shocked that after all what happened in the US and UK you still tell this lie.

Accusing someone of lying when they simply reflect the actual death statistics. Classy.

It amazes me that people can simultaeneously be emotional enough to call other members here liars, but too lazy to bother looking at and understanding the statistics.

No credible source in any country denies that the vast majority of deaths are the elderly and those with comorbidities.

I stated 65 because the statistics show a massive drop-off in Covid-related deaths below that age, but the majority of Covid-related deaths are actually clustered above 80.

It is universally agreed that Covid-related deaths below the age of 65 always involve comorbities, either known or hidden (i.e. a previously unknown heart condition).

Also, the pandemic didn't just happen in the US and UK.

 

10 hours ago, Hyna said:

"Let the old die, I wanna play and don't care about them. " That would be honest. 

Funny because so many on this forum are old and sick. 

The hysteria around the Coronavirus, which you so clearly exemplify, wil lead to the unnecessary deaths of far more of the elderly, through missed appointments, disrupted treatments, redirected public health resources, and social isolation.

We knew, long before the pandemic was declared, who the vulnerable would be. Shielding them would have made far more sense then locking down the world. In fact, we did the opposite of shielding them, actually shipping infected hospital patients into crowded care homes.

 

10 hours ago, Hyna said:

The Burmese etc will  infect their Thai co-workers (agreed) but these Thais won't infect their families, including the elderly,  in the rest of the country???

Yes. As I clearly explained, the vast majority of Thais working in Pattaya, Phuket, and the other tourism destinations don't actually come from those places. Their grandparents are safely back in Isaan or other poorer parts of Thailand.

The same goes for most factory workers in the industrial zones. They work alongside migrants, and live beside them in dormitories, far away from their home villages.

If any worker does happen to live with their grandparents, they should avoid mixing with high-risk coworkers, regardless of which industry that happens to be.

 

2 hours ago, kynikoi said:

 

What??

 

Thailand for all intents and purposes that has been locked down tighter than a drum.

 

What let loose this covid was Burmese border crossers. Nothing to do with International jet setters.

there were people coming in from china via airplane for quite awhile.

 

i'm talking early on when it counts, not band-aid measures now when it's already spread.

There has not been a single infection on Samui or Phangan in over a month. Yet, all the bars and massage shops remain closed, and you aren't supposed to drink booze in restaurants. 

 

This is NOT the Zombie Apocalypse. And many of these desicions have very little to do with science, or safety. 

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

There has not been a single infection on Samui or Phangan in over a month. Yet, all the bars and massage shops remain closed, and you aren't supposed to drink booze in restaurants. 

 

This is NOT the Zombie Apocalypse. And many of these desicions have very little to do with science, or safety. 

So what are you saying..... the restrictions work hence they should be cancelled so that a situation of infections can return? I felt this way in Pattaya yesterday, there were many day trippers from Bangkok around and I immediately felt better I get home away from them. 

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3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

So what are you saying..... the restrictions work hence they should be cancelled so that a situation of infections can return? I felt this way in Pattaya yesterday, there were many day trippers from Bangkok around and I immediately felt better I get home away from them. 

I am saying common sense should prevail. In Pattaya it is hard for them to screen people. On Samui, Phangan and Phuket it is easy. Those islands should fully reopen tomorrow. No restrictions, whatsoever. Just a screening. 

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I am saying common sense should prevail. In Pattaya it is hard for them to screen people. On Samui, Phangan and Phuket it is easy. Those islands should fully reopen tomorrow. No restrictions, whatsoever. Just a screening. 

I think that is lacking in sense rather than common... once it is 'eliminated', they need to keep it out, so many restrictions are needed.

(Until the island is fully vaccinated.) Screening alone I do not have confidence in.

On 5/18/2021 at 10:03 PM, WineOh said:

Certainly won't be anytime soon. 

Christmas 2021 I'm betting, and that is being optimistic!

 

I hope so otherwise it will be the first Christmas in more than 10years missed since living here.

Scraped in last year and left 2days before the NY lockdown.

On 6/7/2021 at 6:03 AM, jacko45k said:

So what are you saying..... the restrictions work hence they should be cancelled so that a situation of infections can return? I felt this way in Pattaya yesterday, there were many day trippers from Bangkok around and I immediately felt better I get home away from them. 

 

Your actions should be official policy.   Those that are old/obese/scared can stay at home and those that are healthy and are not scared of the virus carry on as normal.    You can literally have a zero covid policy in your condo/home!   Just don't let anyone in and don't go out and you will be 100% safe from the virus.    You can also feel better about yourself not contributing to the devastation that so many already poor people are going through from having their businesses shuttered and their livelihoods destroyed just to make you feel a little bit safer when you are out and about.   

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Your actions should be official policy.   Those that are old/obese/scared can stay at home and those that are healthy and are not scared of the virus carry on as normal.    You can literally have a zero covid policy in your condo/home!   Just don't let anyone in and don't go out and you will be 100% safe from the virus.    You can also feel better about yourself not contributing to the devastation that so many already poor people are going through from having their businesses shuttered and their livelihoods destroyed just to make you feel a little bit safer when you are out and about.   

Do you feel that I should become a prisoner to the selfish actions of others?

Certainly I am not keen to become infirmed or dead , and as to those free spirits who want to sacrifice their parents or older or infirmed friends and family, that is callous beyond belief. 

Then here is your backward train of thought.... you think if I stay home instead of going out spending, that is better for those poor people?  

You lack judgement.

 

 

Sorry to burst any bubbles, but the old Pattaya we knew and loved, is gone. Mass tourism is not coming back to Thailand, and the powers that be are keen to move away from that.
I read somewhere today (South China Post I think) that they are thinking of new ways to re-invent Pattaya - and it certainly won't be including sex tourism like before.

24 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Do you feel that I should become a prisoner to the selfish actions of others?

Certainly I am not keen to become infirmed or dead , and as to those free spirits who want to sacrifice their parents or older or infirmed friends and family, that is callous beyond belief. 

Then here is your backward train of thought.... you think if I stay home instead of going out spending, that is better for those poor people?  

You lack judgement.

 

So your solution is that everyone is a prisoner even if they do not share the same risk?   Thats a bit like me wanting to ban football from being played everywhere just because I broke my leg and couldn't participate.   You cannot spend any money in businesses that have been forced to close (to help you feel a bit safer) so how are you helping those people exactly?  

 

If I was vulnerable to this virus and had to take extra steps to protect myself I would not be so selfish to demand those that are less vulnerable to make the same sacrifices.    

10 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

So your solution is that everyone is a prisoner even if they do not share the same risk?   Thats a bit like me wanting to ban football from being played everywhere just because I broke my leg and couldn't participate.   You cannot spend any money in businesses that have been forced to close (to help you feel a bit safer) so how are you helping those people exactly?  

 

If I was vulnerable to this virus and had to take extra steps to protect myself I would not be so selfish to demand those that are less vulnerable to make the same sacrifices.    

No, only make those who basically created this problem resolve it... ie those in high infection areas should remain in those areas. I am not banning football... just being selective where I play away, and who plays at my home. 

If I am forced to lock myself in at home, as per your world, the businesses lose out... more so when they become infected. 

I do not ask those who are infected to make any particular sacrifices,  simply to not put others at risk. Too much to ask....? Tell you what, you want me to contribute to environmental concerns today to save the planet for today's young.... well go whistle! :=)

 

On 6/6/2021 at 12:32 AM, Hyna said:

Why should it "ravage" (your word) Burma and Cambodia,  but in Thailand it's just "sick for a week"?

 

 

Is this a serious question? Why are you lumping Thailand -- a comparatively wealthy, upper middle-income economy with poor countries?  Per capita GDP in Thailand isn't just double or even triple that of Burma... it's nearly 6x what it is in Burma.

 

And then there are 100 other metrics you could also look at, including food hygiene, sewage treatment, toilets per capita (this is a huge deal btw), education level, personal hygiene, contact tracing, smartphone penetration, hospital beds per capita, doctors per capita. etc.

 

It would be completely crazy if Thailand did as poorly as its hick neighbors.