Yesterday, we had a ThaiPBS news report based on Thai Red Cross testing saying that the protection conveyed by the Sinovac vaccine, while starting out OK, appears to then weaken dramatically thereafter and ends up being little protection against the Delta variant.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/sinovac-vaccine-barely-effective-against-alpha-or-delta-covid-19-variants/

 

As with many news reports here, the ThaiPBS report was based on a Chula doctor's Facebook post in Thai, and wasn't very clear in the details of the findings and just what they meant.

 

So I went back today and looked at the doctor's original TH post on Facebook, where he had the following graphic that I'm trying to interpret and understand.  If anyone has any feel for such things, please do chime in:

 

Here's the Google Translate version I got of the doctor's actual pertinent comments in TH regarding the Sinovac vaccine:

 

 

And here's the accompanying chart he posted on Facebook with his comments:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/thiravat.h/posts/4668479593185558

 

All in all, this info -- and all the outside world data emerging re the Sinovac vaccine -- doesn't sound very promising, especially in regards to its ability to protect against the Delta variant.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

We have to be careful not to embrace a single study as being definitive.

 

If Sinovac is worthless, why are Chile’s numbers improving?

SANTIAGO, June 22 (Reuters) - Chile is studying the possibility of issuing a third, booster dose of COVID-19 vaccines, its president said on Tuesday, as the country seeks to beat back the latest wave of infections amid questions about how effective the widely used Sinovac (SVA.O) vaccine is against more transmissible virus variants.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/chile-weighing-issue-third-booster-dose-covid-19-vaccine-2021-06-22/

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

No it's for migrant workers not those who work in construction but who live in the area and need to be isolated from their families until they need to be taken to a hospital.  The migrants are being treated like crud.  Just saw another video of an entire field hospital for Myanmar migrants which has beds inside and is under a tarp being flooded by the rain water and the rain dripping through the top.  This is no way to take care of people.  This has and is going worldwide. I await the government here to be tried in the court of public opinion and the UN to impose sanctions, but I don't think it will make a difference.  I can not post the link here as it is from Facebook.  Sad people get treated this way in a supposed civilized country who wants to be a top player.

And the Government are always saying " Why do we have such a poor Human Rights record "- " We are so misunderstood ".

No you are not ! We understand you perfectly.

Note to any potential Tourists.

This is the reality of your dream destination Holiday.

The plight of the Myanmar people in their own Country is being highlighted all around the World, the Worlds Media need to shine some light on what is happening to these persecuted people in the so called civilized Country next door to theirs.

 

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As I said wait and see. As for sinovac, double jabbed people getting seriously ill and dying would suggest it's not working wouldn't you think. 

There are breakthrough cases for every vaccine. Let's not jump to conclusions without looking at more data. 

1 hour ago, sezze said:

 

You got to be joking , it is Monday morning . I've seen posts about 1 testcenter closing , and long rows on testcenters . As long as i do not see any post countering that and numbers being in the 1000s , i disregard a few 100 drop from previous days .

Of course I'm joking as the whole reported numbers thing is a joke without testing numbers, it makes the whole discussion about weekend numbers a pointless guessing game.They haven't Updated the world in data testing numbers for more than three weeks which they used to update weekly or at least fortnightly. 

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As I said wait and see. As for sinovac, double jabbed people getting seriously ill and dying would suggest it's not working wouldn't you think. 

Because it's about percentages. Just because it provides less protection doesn't mean it provides no protection. Even people double jabbed with the mRNA vaccines and AZ vaccine occasionally die. What does that prove?

42 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

If I still needed/wanted a first shot, I'd be knocking on their door early and often re the 9 am opening time, and let's see what happens with them daily for the rest of this week.

 

 

There were a couple of added comments from this morning on the original thread re the Phyathai II vaccination registration site that was supposed to open this morning...

 

One person said they tried and failed to register. A second person said they did appear to succeed in registering by trying early about 8:40 am... Grist for the mill...

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Good news, B.P. reporting today that Frontline medical staff will be given a booster vaccine from AstraZeneca this week, says the Department of Disease Control.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1414401475510345733

 

By a booster of AZ, I would assume that this is in addition to two previous Sinovac jabs.

 

Human trials have been conducted  for mix and match with AZ and Pfizer/Moderna but giving this vaccine cocktail without any testing may be beyond the pale.

Just now, placeholder said:

Because it's about percentages. Just because it provides less protection doesn't mean it provides no protection. Even people double jabbed with the mRNA vaccines and AZ vaccine occasionally die. What does that prove?

Please quote me where I said it provides no protection. If you can I will retract and modify my post. If you cant then you have misrepresented what I said.

1 minute ago, LosLobo said:

By a booster of AZ, I would assume that this is in addition to two previous Sinovac jabs.

 

Human trials have been conducted  for mix and match with AZ and Pfizer/Moderna but giving this vaccine cocktail without any testing may be beyond the pale.

Your first para is correct.

16 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As I said wait and see. As for sinovac, double jabbed people getting seriously ill and dying would suggest it's not working wouldn't you think. 

It's perplexing that any non-Chinese (non-Taiwanese) person would even consider taking a Chinese vaccine given the pervasive scandals. Not to mention that they deliberately started this whole pandemic. 

 

I would not be surprised to learn that their export vaccines to certain countries were either deliberately watered. Or worse. 

 

This IS China we're talking about after all. Crazy anyone would trust them. Shows just how gullible most of humanity is. 

 

To add: a country that would deliberately spread a pandemic, hoard PPE and research genetic bio warfare is not so different from one that might use its vaccines to deliberately infect people or trick them into thinking they've received some level of protection. 

 

People better wake up. 

 

Three more Phuket “sandbox” tourists found infected with COVID-19

Three more foreign tourists, who arrived on Thailand’s resort island of Phuket under its “sandbox” scheme, have been infected with COVID-19, according to local health authorities.

 

Phuket’s provincial health office reported yesterday (Sunday) that the newly infected tourists came from Myanmar, South Africa and Switzerland.

 

The infected Myanmar tourist is the mother of two previously infected children, aged 8 and 9, who tested positive on Sunday, while two other tourists tested positive during a second swab test after staying on Phuket. All of them have been sent to hospitals for treatment.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/three-more-phuket-sandbox-tourists-found-infected-with-covid-19/

 

9 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Please quote me where I said it provides no protection. If you can I will retract and modify my post. If you cant then you have misrepresented what I said.

What does "not working" mean to you. If a doctor were to give you medicine for some condition, and the conditon got worse, that would mean that the medicine is not workiing. If a vaccine is not working, that means it provides no protection. Once again here is what you wrote:

double jabbed people getting seriously ill and dying would suggest it's not working wouldn't you think. 

 

2 hours ago, Macrohistory said:

 

Sorry, but it's too early for the restrictions to be working.  Those who tested positive yesterday would have been infected 1-2 weeks ago.

 

A quote from the link below about the delta variants speed of infection suggests it's 3-4 days for severe symptoms.

 

Fevers are common. The level of virus in the body rises higher than previously seen during the pandemic. And more people are becoming severely ill within 3 or 4 days.

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/the-covid-19-delta-variant-heres-everything-you-need-to-know#What-symptoms-does-the-Delta-variant-cause?

28 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

that might actually open up some opportunities that previously wouldn't have existed because enough folks have given up trying.

Don't see it that way at all.

The vaccination programme relies on few factors. Not in order:

People's acceptance of vaccine.

Availability of vaccine.

Willingness to be vaccinated.

Capacity to administer vaccination.

 

Thai are becoming more unwilling to accept sinovac. 

Supply is in disarray.

One positive is that most WANT to be vaccinated.

 

By way of contrast country such as Au is facing some reluctance to have a job.

Reason being (currently) very few cases and hence attitude of why bother. Why risk side effects, even though very small %. 

Bottom line is that Thailand will be nowhere near 70% vaccinated until way into next year.

They have missed the boat.

That's two weeks shopping done.  I wouldn't call that 'hoarding'.

 

Thailand’s Department of Internal Trade (DIT) is urging people not to hoard consumer products during lockdown, while assuring that there will be enough supplies for everyone.

 

DIT Director-General Watthanasak Sua-Iam said the department has asked all department stores, wholesalers and retailers nationwide to increase their stocks of consumer products, to ensure there will be no shortage during the lockdown.

 

He said the DIT has also urged egg farmer associations in affected provinces to fix farm prices and supply eggs regularly to all markets in the area during the lockdown, and all associations have insisted that there will be a sufficient supply of eggs for consumption.

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10158134430242050

7 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Of course I'm joking as the whole reported numbers thing is a joke without testing numbers, it makes the whole discussion about weekend numbers a pointless guessing game.They haven't Updated the world in data testing numbers for more than three weeks which they used to update weekly or at least fortnightly. 

Thailand testing number when I looked on May 13 was 8,124,896. Today 8,129,670. Quite obviously the government is hiding the testing figures. Why? So the world cannot see the true low numbers of testing and extrapolate from this that numbers must be under-reported and hence much higher. What many on here have been saying since the very early stages last year.

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

NEW HIGH: Chonburi Public Health Office has just announced they have 399 new cases and two more deaths. Most new cases are in Chonburi City (86), Bang Lamung/Pattaya (113), and Si Racha (107). The total cases so far is now 12,031 with 4,045 remaining in care #Thailand

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1414370644016332803

399 is a new record high for cases in the province. However, 363 people were also released and fully recovered yesterday in Chonburi, also a high number, as most cases continue to be mild or asymptomatic locally according to health officials.

 

This makes a total of 12,031 cases of Covid-19 in the current round of infections, with 4,045 still under medical care/supervision, and with a total of 67 recorded deaths in Chonburi since the start of this recent round of infections in early April.

 

Additionally, 7,921 people in total have now been released from medical care and fully recovered since this current wave began. 363 people were released yesterday.

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/07/12/chonburi-announces-399-new-and-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-with-two-new-deaths-a-new-high/

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What does "not working" mean to you. If a doctor were to give you medicine for some condition, and the conditon got worse, that would mean that the medicine is not workiing. If a vaccine is not working, that means it provides no protection. Once again here is your what you wrote:

double jabbed people getting seriously ill and dying would suggest it's not working wouldn't you think. 

 

Not working means it is not effective at what it was said to do. Again I did not say it provides no protection. I said double jabbed people are getting seiously ill and dying so it's not working. Ok I'll add ...properly. Happy now?

Not enough vaccines

 

Not enough hospital beds

 

Not enough COVID tests....

 

Looks like a pattern is emerging:

 

 

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Not working means it is not effective at what it was said to do.

"Not working" is an absolute.

And what does your formulation even mean? What Coronava is said to do is provide protection against Covid. If it's not doing what it's said to do, then it's not providing protection against covid. 

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Would you prefer 7-11s, massage shops and restaurants to be closed?  Anyone would think that only people from Bangkok pass on Covid!  And, isn't it possible for someone with an evil Bangkok license plate to also live in Pattaya?

There are actually a lot of Bangkok registered cars in Pattaya, many of my friends have them. Certainly increases at the weekends but not on the scales some think. There are a couple of hotels around Wongamat (Centara and Pullman) that are usually very popular with visitors from Bangkok, both extremely quiet this weekend and the one before.

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The government has started doing Rapid Antigen testing at three locations today with a fourth on Wednesday. Today they expect to process 1,000 tests per location (results in 30 minutes) but this will be increased to 10,000 tests per day for the four locations ( Nation Photo)

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1414378251875536904

 

test and you will find same thing would have happend a year ago had they bothered to test rather than beating their chests about how they were the best at containing covid.

Thai Foreign Relations

@ThaiForeign

The Prime Minister received more than 1 million doses of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine from the Japanese Ambassador to Thailand, which will be used to supplement the Thai government's vaccine and accelerate the vaccination coverage #Thailand

https://twitter.com/ThaiForeign/status/1414435104525488130

 

Doctors at private and public hospitals grow increasingly frustrated with government policy

 

Doctors at private and public hospitals across the country are growing increasingly frustrated with the government’s policy on vaccines which they say has endangered frontline workers and threatened the country’s Covid-19 response, several doctors told Thai Enquirer on Monday.

 

The frontline workers, including doctors, nurses, and hospital administrative staff have been inoculated with Sinovac vaccines since April.

 

However, increasing evidence points to Sinovac’s ineffectiveness in preventing the transmission of the Covid-19 virus and its variants and its ineffectiveness in stopping symptomatic Delta variant transmissions.

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29704/doctors-at-private-and-public-hospitals-grow-increasingly-frustrated-with-government-policy/

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"Not working" is an absolute.

And what does your formulation even mean? What Coronava is said to do is provide protection against Covid. If it's not doing what it's said to do, then it's not providing protection against covid. 

Two jabs is meant to protect you from serious illness or death. Being that there are calls for mRNA boosters it would seem that the medical community is in agreeance this vaccine CoronaVac is not effective enough at doing this. It doesn't work the way it's meant to or was said to work. Apart from this no vaccine will protect you against contracting covid.

16 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Not working means it is not effective at what it was said to do. Again I did not say it provides no protection. I said double jabbed people are getting seiously ill and dying so it's not working. Ok I'll add ...properly. Happy now?

What is it said to do?

Samut Sakhon beauty pageant organiser, participants face action

 

Police will summon the organiser and participants of the Miss Grand Samut Sakhon beauty pageant after the event led to 62 cluster infections.

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003129

Just now, placeholder said:

What is it said to do?

 

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Two jabs is meant to protect you from serious illness or death.

This is what all the vaccines are meant to do. Sinovac does not do this effectively with the Delta variant evidenced by what I previously said about doubled vacced people becoming seriously and some dying. 

45 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

We have to be careful not to embrace a single study as being definitive.

 

If Sinovac is worthless, why are Chile’s numbers improving?

Possibly because the Delta variant is still in the early stages in Chile?

 Chile raises COVID-19 spending, urges citizen caution with Delta variant circulating

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/chile-raises-covid-19-spending-urges-citizen-caution-with-delta-variant-2021-06-28/

Anyway, in the coming weeks, it should provide a useful insight into how effective the Sinovac vaccine is in preventing hospitalizations and deaths.