Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, gk10012001 said:

but how many unvaccinated people had COVID and had no hospitalization or siginificant symptoms?  Nobody knows since everybody is not tested for COVID.  In addition, how many of those people that died had severe underlying conditions such as Hypertension, obesity, diabetes, etc?  Picking just one statistic is not a good idea and is one of the tenets of fallacious reasoning called "Stacking the argument". 

The numbers are known unless you fall for the fake news on social media.

[pomchop]

24 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The numbers are known unless you fall for the fake news on social media.

There is a reason that scammers are able to get millions of people to fall for their absurd scams....unfortunately many people are amazingly gullible and then double down rather than admit they got conned....if i were a scammer i would actively look for antivaxers who seem willing to believe the unbelievable in spite of massive amounts of evidence from thousands of doctors and scientists who have spent their lives studying viruses...how may anti vaxers are doctors?  Maybe a few quack docs looking to run a scam.

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1 hour ago, gk10012001 said:

but how many unvaccinated people had COVID and had no hospitalization or siginificant symptoms?  Nobody knows since everybody is not tested for COVID.  In addition, how many of those people that died had severe underlying conditions such as Hypertension, obesity, diabetes, etc?  Picking just one statistic is not a good idea and is one of the tenets of fallacious reasoning called "Stacking the argument". 

The latest report from the State of Pennsylvania noted that 97% of those who died were unvaccinated. Are you suggesting that  residents of Pennsylvania with preexisting conditions were less likely to be vaccinated? So much so that for every 100 people afflicted with those pre-existing conditions, 97 percent of them were unvaccinated?  This seems to you a likely assumption?

[LarrySR]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

There is a reason that scammers are able to get millions of people to fall for their absurd scams....unfortunately many people are amazingly gullible and then double down rather than admit they got conned....if i were a scammer i would actively look for antivaxers who seem willing to believe the unbelievable in spite of massive amounts of evidence from thousands of doctors and scientists who have spent their lives studying viruses...how may anti vaxers are doctors?  Maybe a few quack docs looking to run a scam.

Its quite obvious the gullible target demographic for a con man would fall into several categories.

The anti science religious types, the undereducated, conspiracy crackpots, angry xenophobes and the deplorable. 

Hey, wait a second, I think I just described the Fox News audience...

[Jeffr2]

7 hours ago, LarrySR said:

Its quite obvious the gullible target demographic for a con man would fall into several categories.

The anti science religious types, the undereducated, conspiracy crackpots, angry xenophobes and the deplorable. 

Hey, wait a second, I think I just described the Fox News audience...

Described them to a T! Sadly.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

“ long term ( vax) side effects unknown”: like what. zombie appcalyse you mean ? assume they are known. and assessed as Zero. since the protein spiking vax material leaves the body after two weeks, and all sorts of other scientific factors.

”(covid vax) used for the first time” (in CAPS). No. there were FDA / Equiv. Trials over sufficient time, as determined by scientific method. every invention has to be “used for the first time”, after sufficient trials. that’s how progress is made……

[zzaa09]

22 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“ long term ( vax) side effects unknown”: like what. zombie appcalyse you mean ? assume they are known. and assessed as Zero. since the protein spiking vax material leaves the body after two weeks, and all sorts of other scientific factors.

”(covid vax) used for the first time” (in CAPS). No. there were FDA / Equiv. Trials over sufficient time, as determined by scientific method. every invention has to be “used for the first time”, after sufficient trials. that’s how progress is made……

....and to this day, they're still learning and revising theories and what they know regarding everything COVID. 

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

yes zz and still nothing negative appears. except of course the usual 1/100,000 risk of blood clots, etc. like all vax then since the first vax appeared.normal managed life risks. on the other hand 97% covid deaths in UK / USA are the……..unvaxxed.

[gk10012001]

16 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Clueless. We listen to the scientists. Sad you can't understand this.

Clueless.  We listen to the scientists.  Sad you can't understand this, nor understand when others do.  You only listen to the scientists you want to.  Your mind is already made up, which is allowed

[gk10012001]

17 hours ago, ozimoron said:

How many people died or will die because they contract the virus from the unvaccinated? This is what the antivax libertarians refuse to contemplate and why it's becoming manadatory to get vaccinated for high contact situations.

Unfortunately you ignore the facts that most children are not vaccinated and they are running around carrying and transmitting the virus.  And you ignore the data that is showing how many vaccinated people can carry and do transmit the virus.  Trying to point to the unvaccinated is a divisive position and far from the complete story.

[ozimoron]

Just now, gk10012001 said:

Unfortunately you ignore the facts that most children are not vaccinated and they are running around carrying and transmitting the virus.  And you ignore the data that is showing how many vaccinated people can carry and do transmit the virus.  Trying to point to the unvaccinated is a divisive position and far from the complete story.

Children are far less likely to either contract or transmit the virus than adults, even when unvaccinated. A vaccinated adult is likewise far less likely to contract or transmit the virus. Stop spreading lies.

[3NUMBAS]

he didnt

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/anti-vaxxer-alan-steel-dies-102320208.html

[Jeffr2]

3 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

Clueless.  We listen to the scientists.  Sad you can't understand this, nor understand when others do.  You only listen to the scientists you want to.  Your mind is already made up, which is allowed

Ok. I'll bite. What scientists do you recommend we listen to?

 

My mind isnot made up. I'm wide open to CREDIBLE opinions .

[Jeffr2]

3 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

Unfortunately you ignore the facts that most children are not vaccinated and they are running around carrying and transmitting the virus.  And you ignore the data that is showing how many vaccinated people can carry and do transmit the virus.  Trying to point to the unvaccinated is a divisive position and far from the complete story.

Unvaccinated people are the biggest problem now. Stunning you're not aware of this.

[Jeffr2]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Children are far less likely to either contract or transmit the virus than adults, even when unvaccinated. A vaccinated adult is likewise far less likely to contract or transmit the virus. Stop spreading lies.

Over 25% of the cases now are children. Super spreader events.

[EVENKEEL]

What do you do when a vaccine doesn't meet the true definition of a vaccine?

 

Well you change the definition of a vaccine of course.

[ozimoron]

6 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Ok. I'll bite. What scientists do you recommend we listen to?

 

My mind isnot made up. I'm wide open to CREDIBLE opinions .

The ones with peer assessed publications in reputable journals.

[watgate]

I'll wait until their are some more long studies and information about the long term effects with these so called vaccines.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

What do you do when a vaccine doesn't meet the true definition of a vaccine?

 

Well you change the definition of a vaccine of course.

Or so you assert.

 

However, we do have a string of examples of how anti-vaxxers respond to any basis of their objections being proven wrong - they invent another objection.

 

An endless stream of guff.

[EVENKEEL]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or so you assert.

 

However, we do have a string of examples of how anti-vaxxers respond to any basis of their objections being proven wrong - they invent another objection.

 

An endless stream of guff.

Any link I provide you'll discredit the source, Covid Vaccines did not meet the true vaccine definition so wording of definition was changed. You pick your own source.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Any link I provide you'll discredit the source, Covid Vaccines did not meet the true vaccine definition so wording of definition was changed. You pick your own source.

You’d have to provide the link first.

 

 

[robblok]

12 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

he didnt

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/anti-vaxxer-alan-steel-dies-102320208.html

that is the only way for anti vaxers to be convinced of science. When they are a victim of Darwin. There have been many of thise nutcases that were so vocal and died of covid. No pity here their misinformation might have killed others too. 

[robblok]

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Any link I provide you'll discredit the source, Covid Vaccines did not meet the true vaccine definition so wording of definition was changed. You pick your own source.

Maybe you should not post from antivax misinformation sites. That is the problem the antivaxers have many sites full of misinformation and these get deleted by Thaivisa to stop the spread of lies of the antivax mob.

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4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

What do you do when a vaccine doesn't meet the true definition of a vaccine?

 

Well you change the definition of a vaccine of course.

This kind of nonsense comes from the fact that vaccines can now be created in such a way that they don't come from killed viruses. But the word vaccine was created to describe the substances for smallpox vaccine which was not purified viruses but was essentially the diseased matter taken from those afflicted with cowpax. This had to be the case since viruses weren't even known to exist until the 1920's. So I guess the polio vaccine, among others really isn't a vaccine. Or, for that matter, the modern version of the smallpox vaccine. Does it somehow disqualify something from being a vaccine because now scientists can see a virus in every detail and extract the information it needs from the virus to direct the immune system to battle against a piece of itself? 

And even if that silly point was valid, what of it? You think that semantics has a significant role to play in the battle against a  pandemic? 

[EVENKEEL]

29 minutes ago, robblok said:

Maybe you should not post from antivax misinformation sites. That is the problem the antivaxers have many sites full of misinformation and these get deleted by Thaivisa to stop the spread of lies of the antivax mob.

So this has become you're witt us or agan us, opinions aren't allowed, names created for those who dare question the authorities.

 

https://www.mahoningmatters.com/local-news/why-did-cdc-change-its-definition-for-vaccine-agency-explains-move-as-skeptics-lurk-4319035

[EVENKEEL]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This kind of nonsense comes from the fact that vaccines can now be created in such a way that they don't come from killed viruses. But the word vaccine was created to describe the substances for smallpox vaccine which was not purified viruses but was essentially the diseased matter taken from those afflicted with cowpax. This had to be the case since viruses weren't even known to exist until the 1920's. So I guess the polio vaccine, among others really isn't a vaccine. Or, for that matter, the modern version of the smallpox vaccine. Does it somehow disqualify something from being a vaccine because now scientists can see a virus in every detail and extract the information it needs from the virus to direct the immune system to battle against a piece of itself? 

And even if that silly point was valid, what of it? You think that semantics has a significant role to play in the battle against a  pandemic? 

You can't disprove my statement can you. 

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You can't disprove my statement can you. 

I just did. A vaccine originally meant the pus that was extracted from cowpox sores. The very word vaccine derives from the latin for cattle. It's definition changed over time to encompass the discovery of bacteria and viruses. Now it's encompassing  duplication of part of those viruses. Science marches on. 

Here's what Merriam Webster has to say about it:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/vaccine-the-words-history-aint-pretty

[robblok]

12 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

So this has become you're witt us or agan us, opinions aren't allowed, names created for those who dare question the authorities.

 

https://www.mahoningmatters.com/local-news/why-did-cdc-change-its-definition-for-vaccine-agency-explains-move-as-skeptics-lurk-4319035

You sir have a right to an opinion however not if its based on false facts. Your link is just a storm in a teacup. We knew that the vaccines would not protect 100% but its still a vaccine. It works the same does the same only does not protect 100%.

 

In other words a lot about nothing. 

[EVENKEEL]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

You sir have a right to an opinion however not if its based on false facts. Your link is just a storm in a teacup. We knew that the vaccines would not protect 100% but its still a vaccine. It works the same does the same only does not protect 100%.

 

In other words a lot about nothing. 

Words in definition of vaccine were changed, period. Yet this stirs up emotions among some of you.

[vinci]

death is the new cure ????