9 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

so his mention of a supermarket might not be the best example

 

but there's definitely an element of punishing people for having fun that exists here, even before covid

You see it's not about anything but a lack of self control. People who fail to be able to exercise even the simplest rules that will eventually be in the public good are the same types who fall victim to conspiracy theories and the like. Lack of self control is a weakness not something to be defended.

10 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

so his mention of a supermarket might not be the best example

 

but there's definitely an element of punishing people for having fun that exists here, even before covid

How is it punishing people when bars were the first to close all over the world. Bars are made for socializing. Alcohol is a social lubricant that makes people do stupid things (not judging i like drugs too). The things that happen in bars are the total opposite of what is needed to curb Covid.

 

Its been done all over the world even in countries that don't like to close bars because of their culture (UK with pub culture closing a pub without good grounds will get you hung and quartered over there). So if everyone does it its more science based then punishment based.

 

So its not done to  punish people its just risky.

1 hour ago, Kevin Taylor said:

Everyone cheers when the police arrest people for trying to enjoy themselves a little bit. It seems none of you care about your civil rights and are quite happy for governments to take them away from you. What's the difference a group of people in a bar or a group of people in a supermarket. No difference in terms of covid. 

Agreed

1 hour ago, KannikaP said:

Who would have guessed that 8.30 was just before 9.00?   LOL

The original quote, which you curtailed to enable your comment was -

'The raid took place at 8:30 P.M. last night, just before a 9:00 P.M. curfew'

Who would have guessed that people out drinking at 8:30 p.m. may not have been able to return to their homes before 9:00 p.m.

9 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Better we have a more solid basis than your guesswork.....

Banglamung consistently records over 200 new infections daily. 

Science would be the basis for my guesswork.   If you are going to claim that a 1 micron sized virus particle is is just as easily spreadable outdoors as indoors then I think it should be you that would need to present a scientific basis for that claim.    

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Now put them all together in quarantine. Two weeks no alcohol, and obviously they have to pay for it.

Now that will teach them.

What is by far the most expensive place in Pattaya to quarantine in? Looking for something at 30k+ per day...

12 minutes ago, robblok said:

How is it punishing people when bars were the first to close all over the world. Bars are made for socializing. Alcohol is a social lubricant that makes people do stupid things (not judging i like drugs too). The things that happen in bars are the total opposite of what is needed to curb Covid.

 

Its been done all over the world even in countries that don't like to close bars because of their culture (UK with pub culture closing a pub without good grounds will get you hung and quartered over there). So if everyone does it its more science based then punishment based.

 

So its not done to  punish people its just risky.

Okay so what about pre-covid...

 

At least once a week there would be an article on here for police raiding a social gathering of some sort

1 minute ago, James105 said:

Science would be the basis for my guesswork.   If you are going to claim that a 1 micron sized virus particle is is just as easily spreadable outdoors as indoors then I think it should be you that would need to present a scientific basis for that claim.    

Yes science is good too bad you don't apply correctly. I mean sure its less risky to be outdoor with 1.5 meters then indoor. However in bars you get much closer for a longer period of time then you ever do in a supermarkt. Especially the closer and longer duration and more intense personal contact. So please don't compare apples with oranges.

 

I doubt anyone would stay 1.5 meters away in a bar and keep its mask on like in supermarkets. They are there to interact and have fun. So mask.. gone.. distance gone. The more alcohol there is the less the rules are followed. 

Just now, cyril sneer said:

Okay so what about pre-covid...

 

At least once a week there would be an article on here for police raiding a social gathering of some sort

So what pre covid i just gave you the real reasons and you go back to pre covid. Its not connected. Do you think they would close bars all over the world if covid was not high risk in bars ? You accepted that so then why change it to pre covid all of a sudden. 

 

The topic is a raid during covid times.

33 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

They won't if all their attention is focused on outdoor places where the virus spread is statistically insignificant (I'm going to guess that this place is responsible for zero infections) and continue to give a free pass to the places where the virus does spread in significant numbers e.g factories and busy markets.    

 

It probably is zero. Most illegal activities would be responsible for zero infections, but it's not number that matters, it's the expected number. You use the term 'statistically insignificant' without any idea of what it means so I'm guessing you won't know what 'expected number' means as well. Please google the terms before continuing. The reason the expected number matters more is because you have a very low probability of causing a very high number of cases. This means that these venues individually have a very low probability of spreading the virus but collectively have a near 100% chance of spreading the virus.

 

Also don't pretend you're appealing to science when you're ignorant about basic statistics. People like you should just trust and obey the government.

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

So what pre covid i just gave you the real reasons and you go back to pre covid. Its not connected. Do you think they would close bars all over the world if covid was not high risk in bars ? You accepted that so then why change it to pre covid all of a sudden. 

 

The topic is a raid during covid times.

the point of my original post was to point out that people would get punished for socialising, even before covid came

 

maybe you quoted me by accident

2 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

the point of my original post was to point out that people would get punished for socialising, even before covid came

 

maybe you quoted me by accident

No i did not you must be drinking to much that you can't follow the conversation you quoted me i replied to it. You agreed that this was done because bars are risky during covid. All of a sudden you bring pre covid times in a covid topic.

There is no relevance for that. You just want to play the victim. Its perfectly logical not to open up bars during covid. All over its the same. So its explainable by science. So what does pre covid times have to do with it. Many times bars were raided for opening  beyond time, drug use ect. Do you have a problem with that too ?

11 minutes ago, wprime said:

It probably is zero.

I agree.   

21 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

What is by far the most expensive place in Pattaya to quarantine in? Looking for something at 30k+ per day...

A Penthouse Hotel suite?

4 hours ago, steve187 said:

how will they ever get this under control. with all the idiots out there not following the rules. it seems alcohol is the weakness

...and out of work hostesses.  Might be smarter just to get the Tinder app.

From full story ''(And over one person around alcohol)''. Just how do they come up with these rules. These party goers are only fools to themselves.

24 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

A Penthouse Hotel suite?

Center of town.  No riff raff.

57 minutes ago, James105 said:

Science would be the basis for my guesswork.   If you are going to claim that a 1 micron sized virus particle is is just as easily spreadable outdoors as indoors then I think it should be you that would need to present a scientific basis for that claim.    

What is this magic that happens 'outdoors'?

 

Outdoors is better, but DISTANCE is the key. In daytime, there's UV light (which virus molecules don't like, as it disrupts bonds). There might also be wind, so if someone is sitting on a blanket 10 meters away, virus dispersion is more likely than in a BTS car or supermarket. All well and good.

 

At night, however, in a bar setting, all is lost. No UV light at night. Nobody is wearing a mask. People are as close as possible to each other, especially the old guys trying to hit up young women.

 

I think I might have a different definition of 'science'.

This place is open all the time, even on Buddha days and elections, and has been open pretty much every day since the start of the COVID lockdowns.

 

Most of the customers are nearby residents.

11 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

This place is open all the time, even on Buddha days and elections, and has been open pretty much every day since the start of the COVID lockdowns.

 

Most of the customers are nearby residents.

Just another reason we Darksiders don't want those Pattayaonians and Jomtienites traveling to our side of Sukhumvit....555. Joking.

1 hour ago, cyril sneer said:

the point of my original post was to point out that people would get punished for socialising, even before covid came

Let me fix that sentence for you:

The point of my original post was to point out that people would get punished for socialising breaking the law, even before covid came.

 

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Many times bars were raided for opening  beyond time, drug use ect. Do you have a problem with that too ?

Yes

1 hour ago, robblok said:

No i did not you must be drinking to much that you can't follow the conversation you quoted me i replied to it. You agreed that this was done because bars are risky during covid. All of a sudden you bring pre covid times in a covid topic.

There is no relevance for that. You just want to play the victim. Its perfectly logical not to open up bars during covid. All over its the same. So its explainable by science. So what does pre covid times have to do with it. Many times bars were raided for opening  beyond time, drug use ect. Do you have a problem with that too ?

Ok then, maybe my original sentence was worded incorrectly.

 

Perhaps I should have said 'Covid or not, police will always find a reason to raid social gatherings'

 

That's the only point i've tried to make, but you've turned it into bickering 

 

If there was a thread on Thai tourism going down due to covid, and a poster pointed out it was already going down you'd probably call them out for going off topic

30 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

Ok then, maybe my original sentence was worded incorrectly.

 

Perhaps I should have said 'Covid or not, police will always find a reason to raid social gatherings'

 

That's the only point i've tried to make, but you've turned it into bickering 

 

If there was a thread on Thai tourism going down due to covid, and a poster pointed out it was already going down you'd probably call them out for going off topic

There would not be a reason to raid social gatherings if they did not break the law. I mean partying beyond the closing times. Drug use (i am not against drug use but its still illigal). 

 

Not sure how you can call enforcing the laws raiding social gatherings. Guess you and I are different. I accept that when i break the law there can be consequences. (and yes i do break the law at times). But then I don't play the victim.

39 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

Yes

Ok so basically your against enforcing the law.  I think we are done I mean can't have a discussion like this. If you think that enforcing the law on opening hours and drug use is bad then yea we can stop. Sure I am all for drug use but if I use and get caught so be it. My choice. I am all for changing the law, but not for stopping to enforce the law. I mean what is next its ok to beat someone up and police should not break it up.

3 hours ago, Kevin Taylor said:

Everyone cheers when the police arrest people for trying to enjoy themselves a little bit. It seems none of you care about your civil rights and are quite happy for governments to take them away from you. What's the difference a group of people in a bar or a group of people in a supermarket. No difference in terms of covid. 

For starters, what "civil rights" have been taken away ? None.

You don't have a "right" to congregate and drink alcohol. Besides which, you talk about governments taking away people's "rights", just who do you think gives people those "rights" in the first place ?

Here's a hint. It isn't you. The gov'ts of (wherever) decide what "rights" you have (or don't have) and the people residing under that gov'ts area of control are expected to abide by whatever limits are set out.

Just because you want to do something doesn't make it a "right" and you don't get to make up **** just to suit you. 

And there's a big difference between people wearing masks in a supermarket for 30-40 minutes and those sitting in a bar, in close proximity without masks and drinking alcohol for hours.

 

Today I've read about homes raided, church goers arrested, businesses raided,  & families arrested, information censored ...

Where in history have we heard this happening before?  hmmm

 

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Ok so basically your against enforcing the law.  I think we are done I mean can't have a discussion like this. If you think that enforcing the law on opening hours and drug use is bad then yea we can stop. Sure I am all for drug use but if I use and get caught so be it. My choice. I am all for changing the law, but not for stopping to enforce the law. I mean what is next its ok to beat someone up and police should not break it up.

christ you're quite a serious chap arn't you

 

I made one harmless comment about police raids and you've tried to turn it into some moral crusade

 

i've already seen you bickering with someone else in another thread today so why don't you take your virtue signalling over there, it's all you seem to do

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

What is this magic that happens 'outdoors'?

 

Outdoors is better, but DISTANCE is the key. In daytime, there's UV light (which virus molecules don't like, as it disrupts bonds). There might also be wind, so if someone is sitting on a blanket 10 meters away, virus dispersion is more likely than in a BTS car or supermarket. All well and good.

 

At night, however, in a bar setting, all is lost. No UV light at night. Nobody is wearing a mask. People are as close as possible to each other, especially the old guys trying to hit up young women.

 

I think I might have a different definition of 'science'.

"There might also be wind, so if someone is sitting on a blanket 10 meters away, virus dispersion is more likely than in a BTS car or supermarket."

 

Just how much breeze do you think is necessary to disperse a 1 micron sized virus particle?    There is a reason that hardly anyone catches this thing outdoors.    Let's all pretend otherwise though and keep the factories and markets open in exactly the same way and keep the focus on wrongdoers outdoors, keep watching the numbers climb every single day and scratch our heads wondering why that might be.    

 

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At night, however, in a bar setting, all is lost. No UV light at night. Nobody is wearing a mask.

100% of people who work in factories and use markets are wearing masks.    It is folly to think that they make any significant difference.   

3 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

christ you're quite a serious chap arn't you

 

I made one harmless comment about police raids and you've tried to turn it into some moral crusade

 

i've already seen you bickering with someone else in another thread today so why don't you take your virtue signalling over there, it's all you seem to do

Has nothing to bo with morality just with the fact that if you stick to the law you are ok if you don't then your not ok. Laws just need to change like they are changing the law on Kratom. Once that is done you can have your Kratom now you can't without getting in trouble.

 

Its not moral at all and I am not bickering im debating. Your free to stop it. All I am saying if you break the law its not about morality but about the law. If you don't agree with the laws and many don't agree with it try to have it changed.

 

But without laws it would be hell, I mean just imagine you buy a condo a bar opens all of a sudden in your area (residential area) and breaks opening hours and others then you will be happy the law is enforced. Because otherwise your condo is suddenly without any protection and your money is wasted.