England adds Thailand and Montenegro to travel red list

[Mr Meeseeks]

3 minutes ago, GStewart70 said:

 

Many reports of expats returning to their home countries. Not only with what has happened but they know the Chinese influx/influence is only getting started and that will change a lot of places.

You will also find the most vocal opponents of returning are the ones with nowhere or no one to return to.

UK house prices and rents increased about 10% last year.

What do you think a Pattaya shoebox is worth?

I wouldn't want to be trapped in Thailand on a frozen state pension.

 

I know several expat Pattaya property owners, that have condos, land and houses. Most are overleveraged.

 

Some of them are in real trouble as their rental income has dried up, and they are trying to offload their assets to keep afloat.

 

However, some of them still do not understand the gravity of the current situation and have refused what few offers they have received because they are under what they value the assets at.

 

It's a buyer's market right now, but prices are still way too high given the current situation.

 

Massive correction coming. Take what you can get now before reality comes crashing down around would be my advice.

[samtam]

3 hours ago, theoldgit said:

It's worth noting that only British and Irish Nationals and those with residence rights will be allowed into the UK and, as already been stated, will be required to enter managed hotel quarantine at a cost of £2,285 plus £1,430 for each additional eligible adult or child over 11.

I noted that in the announcement. I wonder how it impacts the spouses or civil partners of British Nationals.

[samtam]

3 hours ago, nkg said:

If you leave Thailand and go to a green/amber country for 10 days, you don't have to do hotel quarantine.

 

So spending 10 days in India, Nigeria or Iraq will make it safe for you to return to the UK ????

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#red-list

Is Afghanistan an option too?

[Rinrada]

6 hours ago, Clarkey611 said:

Is there an Embassy in Thailand?

There was for many years "tears" wonderful building,grounds and location...but...Was sold off or rather "flogged off" for a song...by a certain clown known as "Bogus the Bad"...ha-rump..

Edited August 27, 2021 by Rinrada

[GStewart70]

1 minute ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

I know several expat Pattaya property owners, that have condos, land and houses. Most are overleveraged.

 

Some of them are in real trouble as their rental income has dried up, and they are trying to offload their assets to keep afloat.

 

However, some of them still do not understand the gravity of the current situation and have refused what few offers they have received because they are under what they value the assets at.

 

It's a buyer's market right now, but prices are still way too high given the current situation.

 

Massive correction coming. Take what you can get now before reality comes crashing down around would be my advice.

I wouldn't touch property in Thailand let alone Pattaya.

Rents in Thailand have fallen through the floor as well.

Invest at home and rent abroad.

[Mr Meeseeks]

9 minutes ago, Rinrada said:

There was for many years "tears" wonderful building,grounds and location...but...Was sold off or rather "flogged off" for a song...by a certain clown known as "Bogus the Bad"...ha-rump..

Not to mention the land it was on was a gift to Britain from the Thais.

 

For that alone it should have never been sold. Very, very poor etiquette.

 

Proceeds to house more young, male, illegal immigrants in nice hotels that are arriving in dinghies across the Channel no doubt. 

 

The Marxist left that has infected the UK now will utterly destroy the country, what little fabric remains is starting to unravel.

 

Selling that land lowers the country's status and foreign mission abilities within the region.

 

A scandalous decision but reflective of the decline of the UK at home and abroad.

Edited August 27, 2021 by Mr Meeseeks

[beano2274]

3 hours ago, raccos21 said:

It is only temporary; once Thailand has 70% of its citizens vaccinated, they will be remove from that red list.

yes but if you read the info from the UK gov website, the numbers cannot be trusted, so will the 70% mean the return to normality, I think not

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, BobinBKK said:

As many countries will follow suit in the near future I would imagine and making it very difficult for their citizens to return home. Thailand can kiss their tourism industry good-bye for the most part now!!!

That ship sailed months ago.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Whale said:

I think it was Gordon Browns government if my memories are accurate? Selling everything to make the new labour deficit look less worse than it was. 

Your memory does not serve you well

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42886466

[Whale]

51 minutes ago, madmen said:

You can go to green countries for 10 days. Still a pain but better than the alternative 

Finding green country that lets you enter from Thailand without quaratine is not easy. 

I was looking myself but it was complicated (UK passport)

[Whale]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Your memory does not serve you well

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42886466

I looked it up, you are right BUT the first patch of land which was the road frontage and the shopping centre was sold a long time before the back of the site. It was converted to a fair ground first then the shopping centre was built. That was well before 2018.

Edited August 27, 2021 by Whale

[GStewart70]

6 minutes ago, beano2274 said:

yes but if you read the info from the UK gov website, the numbers cannot be trusted, so will the 70% mean the return to normality, I think not

The UK government seem to be determined to stop variants of concern entering the country. So much for double jabbed and get on with your life.

Travel restrictions are going to drag on for years. Very depressing.

[beano2274]

26 minutes ago, samtam said:

I noted that in the announcement. I wonder how it impacts the spouses or civil partners of British Nationals.

Would suppose that those holding a Residence Card could return to the UK and enter quarantine, those who have not have to stay where they are

Edited August 27, 2021 by beano2274

[brewsterbudgen]

1 minute ago, beano2274 said:

Would suppose that those holding a Residence Card could enter, those who have not have to stay where they are

Does this mean Visitor and Settlement visas are suspended, or does holding a visa give the holder the right to enter the UK (subject to the same quarantine requirements as UK nationals)?

[beano2274]

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Does this mean Visitor and Settlement visas are suspended, or does holding a visa give the holder the right to enter the UK (subject to the same quarantine requirements as UK nationals)?

That is a good point, but am sure only British National or those holding Residence can return (do not quote me on that though), lucky for me am in Germany and my wife has got her EUSS Visa. But could be that if a Thai travelled to say Switzerland first stayed there for 2 weeks then travelled to the UK they would not need any quaratine.

 

Am sure someone on here will have better info

Edited August 27, 2021 by beano2274

[Zikomat]

 What about 600.000 British millionaires who were expected to flood Thailand in the second half of 2021? Oh, those actually were TAT’s sick fantasies and nothing else.

[Chivas]

21 minutes ago, beano2274 said:

yes but if you read the info from the UK gov website, the numbers cannot be trusted, so will the 70% mean the return to normality, I think not

Indeed if the Thais are saving face by "only" admitting to 20,000 a day in infections god alone knows what the real figures are

[vinny41]

46 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I posted above what some English people are doing, if the couldn't have got on emerites back to UK they considered flying to Malta then to England

REQUIREMENTS FOR TRAVELLERS ARRIVING IN MALTA FROM COUNTRIES/ZONES ON DARK RED LIST

Travel from Dark Red (Travel Ban) countries/zones is only permitted for essential travel in exceptional  circumstances and only with prior authorisation in accordance with the procedure listed below.

•Observe 14 days of mandatory quarantine in a quarantine facility in accordance with the Standards for Quarantine For Travellers against payment of €100 per night inclusive only of breakfast, and a repeat PCR test must be taken on day 11-12 of quarantine.  Additional testing may be requested on arrival and as required by the public health authorities.   

https://deputyprimeminister.gov.mt/en/health-promotion/covid-19/Pages/travel.aspx

[yimlitnoy]

4 hours ago, nkg said:

If you leave Thailand and go to a green/amber country for 10 days, you don't have to do hotel quarantine.

 

So spending 10 days in India, Nigeria or Iraq will make it safe for you to return to the UK ????

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#red-list

If fully vaccinated a trip to India, Goa for example, will save you money and add to your culture when coming back to the UK...

[Caldera]

That sure sucks for Brits who planned to holiday here, all three of them.

 

Seriously though, the only thing that surprises me is that Thailand wasn't already moved to the red list during the previous review.

[GStewart70]

1 minute ago, yimlitnoy said:

If fully vaccinated a trip to India, Goa for example, will save you money and add to your culture when coming back to the UK...

No thanks, I'll stick to the Bay of Bengal down the road.

[VBF]

7 hours ago, ukrules said:

The red list is all about new variants - they want to keep them out, hence the hotel quarantine.

 

If you have normal COVID (regular Delta) it doesn't matter as it's common over there.

As I debated with you on the other thread, that is (hopefully) the logic.

[VBF]

4 hours ago, raccos21 said:

It is only temporary; once Thailand has 70% of its citizens vaccinated, they will be remove from that red list.

So just a few days then? ????  

Sarcastic.......moi?

Edited August 27, 2021 by VBF

[beano2274]

Also those Thai wives or GFs who were about to apply for a Visa to the UK must be worried, I bet that the place in Trendy will be closed for applications for a while, I remember the German Embassy closing down during this pandemic

[tomacht8]

6 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

If EU member countries start adding Thailand to a block list it's going to get very difficult to get home.

 

 

Thailand is already listed as a high incidence area. But we get 10 days of house quarantine. With a negative PCR test you can end the quarantine prematurely on the 6th day. I think the regulation is much better than the expensive UK hotel variant.

And with a complete vaccine you are free to go.

Edited August 27, 2021 by tomacht8

[chilly07]

What has Cigna got to do with the UK putting Thailand on a red list? Are they sponsoring Covid items now?

[VBF]

18 minutes ago, Caldera said:

That sure sucks for Brits who planned to holiday here, all three of them.

 

Seriously though, the only thing that surprises me is that Thailand wasn't already moved to the red list during the previous review.

As one of the three, ???? sadly, I have to agree with that - I was surprised too.

 

And the idea, mooted in this thread, of flying from Thailand to a "green list" country staying 10 days and then on to UK, is fraught too.

What if your chosen "green list" country decides to block arrivals from Thailand? Back to before square one! ????

Edited August 27, 2021 by VBF

[Dont confuse me]

I don't think that it's just going to be Thailand added to the 'red list' wait and see what happens in Europe after the summer holidays! 

All the schools go back within the next couple of weeks let's see what happens then!

I don't think Thailand will be alone, they could have Spain, Italy, France, Greece and Portugal for company.

[Harveyboy]

6 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

Not good

 

They should lower the 2 grand quarantine cost 

no need just get a flight as close as possible to the uk  buy a rubber dingy direction dover ..no quarantine..no tests..no expense..and free hotel   Sorted

[Harveyboy]

6 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

They should consider people who’ve been waiting to go back 

 

No option to stay at cheaper hotels, so looks like nothing more than a money-maker 

 

Wonder if the Taliban will have to pay when they come…

they will be welcomed with open arms and our money  no problems