SURVEY: Jo Ferrari -- An opportunity for change or business as usual?

[Scott]

The recent release of a video showing the alleged death of 24 year old Jirapong Thanapat has caused a stir on social media and in the news.   There have long been rumors of extrajudicial killings and extortion in the police force.  Do you believe this case will be pivotal in forcing change in the police force?  Chose the option that best expresses your opinion.

 

Please feel to leave a comment.

[2long]

I'm surprised I make up 50% of the voters...

Come on guys! 

[Artisi]

2 minutes ago, 2long said:

I'm surprised I make up 50% of the voters...

Come on guys! 

Only 1/3 now ????

[lujanit]

It will be corrupt business as usual at the RTP.

[seajae]

as long as they are paid poor wages they will continue these extra activities to make more money, then again they would more than likely continue doing it even if paid good wages, money is far too important to many thais to stop the graft from happening

[djayz]

A fish rots from the head.... 

It'll be back to business as usual soon, if not already. 

[djayz]

13 minutes ago, seajae said:

as long as they are paid poor wages they will continue these extra activities to make more money, then again they would more than likely continue doing it even if paid good wages, money is far too important to many thais to stop the graft from happening

Pay them better, yes, this would eliminate the need to accept bribes. Crackdown on corruption e.g. as they did in Hong Kong in the 60s and 70s, would deter and/catch many of the greedy ones from continuing the practice. 

 

Where there is a will, there is a way. 

Edited August 29, 2021 by djayz

[OneMoreFarang]

9 minutes ago, djayz said:

Pay them better, yes, this would eliminate the need to accept bribes. Crackdown on corruption e.g. as they did in Hong Kong in the 60s and 70s, would deter and/catch many of the greedy ones from continuing the practice. 

 

Where there is a will, there is a way. 

Nobody is forced to be a police officer. They know how much they get paid before they apply for the job. And as far as I know many (or all) pay a lot of money to get a low paid job in the police. There is no place for honest people in that job.

[djayz]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Nobody is forced to be a police officer. They know how much they get paid before they apply for the job. And as far as I know many (or all) pay a lot of money to get a low paid job in the police. There is no place for honest people in that job.

Like I said, where there is a will (to change/improve), there is a way. 

The whole system has been set up from day one to insure that money flows up, not trickle down. 

[OneMoreFarang]

Everybody who saw the video could see how the others in that room just walked around like it was one of those usual boring office days. That should give us a good idea how normal that is. And did it only happen in that police station on that day? Probably not.

So how many police officers are involved in this kind of "business"? And how many are not? I would guess there are a few low ranking police officers who started the job and wanted to be honest. But to be promoted it seems they need connections and money. And the higher the more. So how many honest police officers are in high and very high positions? I guess about 0.

And obviously many of them know each other and work together. And they have a good idea who does what and who knows who. We can be sure that suspect Joe Ferrari will know lots of officers and he will know lots of things about those officers. And some of them are now supposed to put a case together against their colleague. So will they all do their best to find evidence and have a clean investigation? Or will they be more inclined not to look too hard and make make a procedural mistake here and there. After all, mistakes happen everywhere.

Summary: I would be very surprised if he will go more than a year to jail.

[Artisi]

8 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Nobody is forced to be a police officer. They know how much they get paid before they apply for the job. And as far as I know many (or all) pay a lot of money to get a low paid job in the police. There is no place for honest people in that job.

You are correct,  no one is forced - for the ordinary foot soldier it's a simple job for life, with a few perks including free health insurance for the family including your parents, that's what makes it attractive to many. 

[John Drake]

Back when so many members of this forum were celebrating and gloating over the supposed demise of Big Joke, I posted a comment that BJ was probably "making a list and checking it twice" of forum members. Well, Big Joke is back.  This guy will be, too.  And I bet he has a bigger list than Big Joke.

[zyphodb]

1 hour ago, djayz said:

Pay them better, yes, this would eliminate the need to accept bribes. Crackdown on corruption e.g. as they did in Hong Kong in the 60s and 70s, would deter and/catch many of the greedy ones from continuing the practice. 

 

Where there is a will, there is a way. 

There's no will though...

[OneMoreFarang]

14 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Back when so many members of this forum were celebrating and gloating over the supposed demise of Big Joke, I posted a comment that BJ was probably "making a list and checking it twice" of forum members. Well, Big Joke is back.  This guy will be, too.  And I bet he has a bigger list than Big Joke.

Do you really think he cares about those farangs in that forum? 555

[kingstonkid]

12 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Back when so many members of this forum were celebrating and gloating over the supposed demise of Big Joke, I posted a comment that BJ was probably "making a list and checking it twice" of forum members. Well, Big Joke is back.  This guy will be, too.  And I bet he has a bigger list than Big Joke.

Problem is as far as we know BJ did not do anything wrong.  What he was accused of was blowing the whistle on corruption in Immigration.  Everything he did seemed to be for the good of the people.

 

Honestly I expect that he will eventually become police chief.

 

This is like the roaring 20's in the U.S. when cops were owned by the crooks.

 

The problem here is that the education levels are so low and the pay is so <deleted> that no one that has a real education wants to join.

 

If they are serious they will not only charge him with murder but also take a look at his finances and determine how he acquired his wealth.

 

Send him to prison without his pension and confiscate everything he and his family has.

 

That would send a message.

 

[Artisi]

16 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Back when so many members of this forum were celebrating and gloating over the supposed demise of Big Joke, I posted a comment that BJ was probably "making a list and checking it twice" of forum members. Well, Big Joke is back.  This guy will be, too.  And I bet he has a bigger list than Big Joke.

Number 1 on the list is the one who instigated this video and it's release - - be assure the video was solely done for the benifit of self interest, nothing about morals or  exposure of the culture etc. 

 

 

 

 

[Old Croc]

I used to think better wages was the answer, now I believe the whole organized system that funnels enormous amounts up to the very top wouldn't change working from the bottom.

Higher salaries won't make an iota of difference for those becoming incredibly wealthy near the top of the chain.

[Pedrogaz]

I think the rest of the world is moving away from rampant, endemic corruption with the notable exceptions of the relatively big economies of Thailand and India. In China, high ranking officials in the CCP caught with their mouths in the trough can get executed for corruption, the logic being, that power wielders should be held to higher standards that ordinary citizens, thus the penalties have to be higher. 

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Rimmer
inflammatory removed

[rudi49jr]

I really hope things will change, but corruption is so omnipresent in Thailand, so much money involved, and therefore so much at stake for all those involved. Changing that would be a Herculean task.

[Will B Good]

When corruption is so endemic it has its own momentum.

 

It is like trying to stop a super tanker with a captain who has a vested interest in going as fast as possible.

 

With so many snouts in the trough, where is the desire, the pressure, for change going to come from?

[herfiehandbag]

They don't need an opportunity to change.

 

They need the will to change.

 

They need to want it to change.

 

They have neither.

[shackleton]

There will be more chance of the second coming 

Than changes to the police force  on corruption its to emstemic 

[pedro01]

Just to be clear before I vote, in the OP, it says "alleged death" - based on prior reports, I'd thought the fella had died. 

 

Anyway, if he is dead, it looks like the George Floyd defence is in play. A coincidental drug overdose at the time his air supply was being cut off.

 

Hope it doesn't fly.

 

This won't change anything in Thailand but it'll be interesting to see if they are brazen enough to give the guy a pass.

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Do you really think he cares about those farangs in that forum? 555

If they are living in Thailand, the hysterical ranters better hope this forum goes unread and unnoticed. Things move slowly here. But they do move.

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:

Problem is as far as we know BJ did not do anything wrong.  What he was accused of was blowing the whistle on corruption in Immigration.  Everything he did seemed to be for the good of the people.

Okay.  I'm not commenting on the specific actions of BJ or anyone else in authority. 

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

be assure the video was solely done for the benifit of self interest, nothing about morals or  exposure of the culture etc. 

Impossible to diagnose the motivations here. Things operate at too many levels, and most of us have barely got a grasp of one of them.

[TheFishman1]

Nothing ever changes in Thailand TIT

[greenmonkey]

not much difference between this and that police guy who shot the noodle seller in the South. And look what is happening in that case. Even though he admitted everything and is caught on video shooting the guy, the police are now rallying to concoct some ridiculous story about the police guy breaking up a fight and mistaking the noodle seller for a 'bad guy'. They have mysteriously found witnesses to back up their nonsense so it is all heading in one direction... he gets off without a day spent in jail. Same will probably happen here. Amazing Thailand!

[Srikcir]

If this regime can't prosecute cop killers (eg., Red Bull heir), what are the odds that it can prosecute killing cops?

[peterpop]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Nobody is forced to be a police officer. They know how much they get paid before they apply for the job. And as far as I know many (or all) pay a lot of money to get a low paid job in the police. There is no place for honest people in that job.

Big mouth as usual.  Some are honest and hard working and that includes my brother in law of 15 years.