How to avoid CP

[TooBigToFit]

I'm shocked it too so long for anyone to say that CP supports the corrupted Thai regime in power which has a prime minister who installed himself through a military takeover and his corrupted constitution. Geez. CP is the worst of all the super rich families profiting from connections. Some foreigners here don't care about the Thai people. They don't. They just want a cheap peaceful place to retire with their wealth from the west. But many do care. They want Thailand to change but nothing will change until the cronyism and nepotism in government and business is ended or at least brought under control of the laws. Right now, it's all corruption. CP profits from it just like Minor Group whose self-centered owner wrote a letter to the  world posted in the Bangkok Post urging people to accept the coup.

 

It's almost impossible to avoid CP products and businesses. There are many more than people are mentioning here. I was thinking about CP earlier today. They already have 7Elevens on many university campus and in many hospitals. If things continue in Thailand with these friendly military-approved regimes I bet CP will get small versions of 7Eleven in every high school in the country. Who knows they may already have their vending machines there. They'll do it.

 

CP and 7Eleven <deleted> me off big time by kicking out all the other phone companies but CP-owned True Corp from their stores. You used to be able to buy a top-up card for AIS phones or pay your AIS phone bill there but they blocked that. It may be the same for DTAC. ( I think there was a story recently that there were rumours of True buying Dtac) Anyways, CP corp doesn't always do the best for the people. Kicking out AIS seemed very political to me.

 

It's hard not to use CP. But having this massive monopoly controlling everything while cheering the present regime is pretty darn sad.

[mikebike]

13 minutes ago, TooBigToFit said:

while cheering the present regime is pretty darn sad.

You do, of course, realize that they will cheer any regime which is in power. The corporatocracy needs useful idiots (politicians) in every country.

[TooBigToFit]

5 minutes ago, mikebike said:

You do, of course, realize that they will cheer any regime which is in power. The corporatocracy needs useful idiots (politicians) in every country.

Well, that may be true to some extent, but not every corporation in Thailand wants this regime. You should see that some are worse than others.

[david555]

On 9/2/2021 at 11:21 AM, pgrahmm said:

Start raising & farming your own....Buy a chest freezer & stock up from local suppliers....

The alternatives are a lot harsher in reality than just shopping as assiduously as possible....

The risk exist that his own get very top one ....

 

And so on a certain day CP make him an not to refuse $$$$ numbers offer   for his shop.......you can see already the conscience problem he go have ...to refuse his golden goose chance ????????????

 

 

 

 

[2009]

1 hour ago, internationalism said:

yes, in a third world country.

who is behind all monopoly and who is the richest in thailand?

Firstly, Thailand is not a 3rd world country.

 

Secondly, there are big corporations in every country. This is the essence of capitalism which we all live by. You don't want control over your own finances?

 

Thirdly, it doesn't matter who the richest is. The reason why you live well, I am sure, I because of capitalism.

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[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, internationalism said:

yes, in a third world country.

who is behind all monopoly and who is the richest in thailand?

We mustn't forget that Corporatism has it's contemporary origins in the beloved West and still thrives. 

Ideals that certainly were quite rightly borrowed by the savages and made it their own. 

[zzaa09]

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Double post - sorry

[2009]

If it makes you feel any better, they started of with humble beginnings as Chinese migrants selling seeds in Bangkok in the 1920s. 

 

Then, they worked hard for several generations in their family to become who they are today.

 

The same can be said for the richest families in Australia, America, etc etc

 

I don't see what the problem is? Jealousy?

 

Most people don't have what it takes to create multigenerational wealth.

 

Hats off to CP, that's what I say. A beautiful story of migration and capitalism.

 

You won't find many stories like that in the West again -- migrants don't go there for work anymore, just benefits.

 

Too many rights, not enough responsibilities in the West now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[HeijoshinCool]

On 9/1/2021 at 11:24 PM, worgeordie said:

do you also avoid Amazon, Apple, or any of the other conglomerates

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Yes....

[2009]

36 minutes ago, HeijoshinCool said:

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Yes....

Seriously? Why?

[HeijoshinCool]

23 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Seriously? Why?

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Because they do little for the average Joe, putting many out of business. Yes, they have employees, but not nearly as many as you'd think, and less in the future as more computerization is implemented. 

 

Let's say you became a potter in the 70s. You opened a pottery shop and did well, making a good living. People came from miles around to buy your pottery, and you talked face to face, made many friends.

 

Then came Wal Mart Amazon and Ebay, et al. You approached them about selling your pots, but they went with Chinese pottery because it was substantially less money, though you lowered your prices as much as possible. Government over regulation, taxes, fines, made it impossible to compete.

 

Eventually no one bought much pottery from you anymore. Then came a "pandemic" which sent even more customers to the massive conglomerates. You went out of business.

 

Is Jeff your friend?

 

 

[greeneking]

4 hours ago, 2009 said:

Firstly, Thailand is not a 3rd world country.

 

Nearly all of its citizens live like it is.

Others live in a way most citizens of London, Paris or New York would be jealous of. 

People who want to better their lives through their intelligence or efforts face unfair obstacles.  They may have to compromise their principles to get anywhere and support a family.

Sad.

[internationalism]

11 hours ago, 2009 said:

Firstly, Thailand is not a 3rd world country.

 

Secondly, there are big corporations in every country. This is the essence of capitalism which we all live by. You don't want control over your own finances?

 

Thirdly, it doesn't matter who the richest is. The reason why you live well, I am sure, I because of capitalism.

it's going that 3rd world direction for sometimes, since military coup 2006 - human, citizens and workers rights abuse.

But thailand is still semi-feudal country, that is pre-capitalism, and going in the wrong direction for many years, against human and economic progress.

That's why kids are on the streets, pack social media with hate against state and why the majority wish to emigrate for political and economic reasons.    

The majority in thailand live very poor, wealth gap is growing, they don't prise much capitalism, nor do I - for reasons above. 

I do reasonably well, not because of capitalism, which I hate for exploiting my work and abuse of other humans and an natural environment, but because of my hard work.

 

All those thai billionaires made they ill gotten money within one generation, just siding with feudalist order they were allowed monopoly 

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[2009]

9 hours ago, greeneking said:

Nearly all of its citizens live like it is.

Others live in a way most citizens of London, Paris or New York would be jealous of. 

People who want to better their lives through their intelligence or efforts face unfair obstacles.  They may have to compromise their principles to get anywhere and support a family.

Sad.

Nonsense.

 

Rural Thailand is not comparable to the true 3rd world, like in Africa.

 

I have lived in rural Thailand, by the way. The average household is worth over 1 million in farmland. They also own their own home and a vehicle. My mates back in the council housing in the West would be jealous. Their net worth is far less than a Thai farmer.

 

They are asset rich, cash poor in rural Thailand. That isn't 3rd world, buddy.

 

They also have access to free (and good) healthcare. There is always a provincial level hospital servicing the nearby areas and contrary to farang-belief, they are actually good hospitals. The big provincial level ones that is,not the smaller ones  They have all the specialists you need from urologists, gynecologists, oncologists, to radiologist and brain surgeons - graduating from Chula - Thailand's finest. Sure, the waiting room is busy, but it's free and modern up-to-date healthcare in an Isaan city! Tell that to Americans, lol, in the so-called first world!

 

And the jump from minimum wage to the elite is not what you are making out. There are plenty of Thais with a household income of 30k a month. Even just two married teachers earning 15k each have a household income of 30k. Or other low level government workers, like a soldier marrying a police officer. Easily 30k a month household income. Pretty much the same as a farang teacher with a lazy wife bringing in nothing.

 

Jeez, even the waitresses without tertiary education in Sukhumvit make 15k-20k a month including service charge and tips. Well, they were making that 10+ years ago, I can attest to that. Surely, it went up a bit since.

 

 

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[Pravda]

Just don't go to those websites

[2009]

9 hours ago, greeneking said:

They may have to compromise their principles to get anywhere and support a family.

Sad.

I think you are referring to the ones whose main choices for income are either 300 a day in a factory or 50k a month doing massage down in Phuket (or 100k a month in Japan or Korea).

 

Well, I can agree with you there. It's not nice that their education allowed little else than those two options, but for the latter they are certainly well-paid. 

 

I do have such individuals in my extended family, though don't assume they actually give their children the life they deserve with that income.

 

And you are a little presumptuous to mention what their ethics are. 

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[Delight]

On 9/3/2021 at 2:51 PM, OJAS said:

So what on earth is this mysterious CP which we are all supposed to be avoiding??????

 I think that it refers to Charoen Pokphand.

Wiki  will explain more.

 

[greeneking]

11 hours ago, 2009 said:

you are a little presumptuous to mention what their ethics are

Sorry.  I really more meant people starting in careers where they thought they would be serving the public  such as in policing and government and then find they must serve a boss and an organisation that is seeking to bend and break the rules to make money.

[2009]

On 9/13/2021 at 8:34 PM, greeneking said:

Sorry.  I really more meant people starting in careers where they thought they would be serving the public  such as in policing and government and then find they must serve a boss and an organisation that is seeking to bend and break the rules to make money.

They join the government cos its a good job gor them, not to serve the public.