COVID: Will European tourists return to Southeast Asia?

[Black Angus]

ME THINK THAILAND WILL NOT BE TOP OF THE LIST or anywhere near it. SAD as it may seem

[timendres]

4 hours ago, hottrader77 said:

Meanwhile the army in charge of land of smile , is scratching its head as no wealthy tourists arrive , good bye I go to Philippines 

By the time these folks realize they have botched high season, high season will be over. Another long difficult year for anyone depending on tourism. Truly sad.

[ThomasThBKK]

4 hours ago, fabruer said:

Am I missing something? The spread sheet you posted shows exactly what the article say: per person spending of Europeans and Americans is less than East Asian/ASEAN. 

 

Most forum members (including me) won't like this, but from a business point of view it makes sense to chase customers that spend approx. 30% more per day per person in comparison.

 

Europeans spend 70416.15 THB on avg and the Chinese spend 45731.48 on avg.

 

 

[RafPinto]

12 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

 

Europeans spend 70416.15 THB on avg and the Chinese spend 45731.48 on avg.

 

 

That's a lot of noodle soup.

[sambum]

"Tourism accounted for about a third of Cambodia's GDP and one-fifth of Thailand's."

 

That's 20%!  Much more than we were told originally - before Covid!  

[sambum]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

The European and Americans spend more because they stay longer in Thailand. They stay on average about twice as long than the Chinese and Asean tourists for a simple fact that they come from countries further away. Don’t make sense to stay a few days when you fly 12-16 hours; just not a rewarding experience. Chinese and ASEAN tourists prefer shorter stay as they are closer to Thailand and they have less holidays than the Europeans and Americans. 

The UK have more holidays, but the USA not so many!

 

The Americans (on average) have  10 days holiday - the UK has 28! 

 

 

[CALSinCM]

COVID: Will European tourists return to Southeast Asia?  You've got the head of TAT spouting off that he doesn't want the lower CLASS of foreigner that they had before - in the millions.  So, are there a few tens of thousands rich people willing to come to Thailand to make up for the millions of common foreigners that the Thai government no longer wants?????  Like the people coming to Thailand for nightlife and fun which the head of the TAT has promised is the "Old Normal" that Thailand and Thai elitists no longer want to enter their private reserves of New Normal?

"The Rich For The Rich" 
"New Normal" = No Fun
Rich husks for the common scum.

So the answer?  No!  They won't even attract the rich and wealthy that they prefer and they signal to the average folk that their not wanted at all.

 

[jollyhangmon]

35 minutes ago, sambum said:

"Tourism accounted for about a third of Cambodia's GDP and one-fifth of Thailand's."

 

That's 20%!  Much more than we were told originally - before Covid!  

 

Yep, the one or other year ago Italy came up with the same effective number the sector per se contributes to their GDP which I remember mostly because it's the same as Thailands, 12%, give or take.

 

But they stressed that the total effect - taking into account all related investments from say auntie Giuseppinas new guestroom up to an extra lane on the autostrada - would amount to 'minimum 20, possibly up to 25% of GDP' in Italy's case ...

 

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

No. 'Normality' can not be recouped or regained. You can not un ring the covid bell. In the context of 'Thailand Tourist Normality' it has gone forever, never to return. Freedom from worry, casual minor law breaking, freedom of choice, night life and entertainment, clubbing, partying...all gone.. and the poison dwarf and his unelected panjandrums glory in this loss of freedom and the concomitant total control of the hapless population it brings. Seried, joyless ranks of tour bus fodder from China is the future of Thai tourism.

Do you really think the fun stuff is gone forever? God I hope not!

It might be more like a reset. Once the ridiculous alcohol bans and curfews are over, the nightlife is initially centered around Bkk, Patts and Patong and then slowly spreads back to Samui etc. A bit like going back 25 years and starting from there. 

 

[Flink]

8 hours ago, smedly said:

Will European tourists return to Southeast Asia?

 

 

not if TAT have anything to do with it

Well, the latest from the guy  running TAT is that he doesn't want to bring back the bars and clubs and associted "entertainments". Thats logic akin to Biden shutting down border wall construction or Elon Musk deciding that V8's are the future of car manufacturing. You don't discard the very thing (and possibly the only thing) that brought millions of people here every year. This ridiculous idea that Thailand could become the Monaco of Asia as a magnet for the super rich is ridiculous. They don't have the infrastructure in place to do the simple things like keeping the place clean. If the rich and famous docome here it won't be for the "mom and pop" stores and restaurants who are the very peple who need tourist $ the most. The only people who would benefit would be the resort developers and owners and all the money they made would be swiftly sent offshore rather than trickling down to the common folk. 

Common sense would dictate that you go back to what worked and one the money starts coming back in use it to make improvements to the place with a view to switching up SOME AREAS to attract the big spender, but leave the bulk of the country as it was (pre Covid) so everyone gets a share of the money. The hi-si=o's can have their marinas and wealthy clientele and the rest of the population can skim moneyfrom the backpackers and other tourists.

[cncltd1973]

9 hours ago, BadSpottedDog said:

Wow. Thanks for sharing. I knew that was the case. Why does Thailand have China envy? It's bizarre!

Thai politicians love Chinese powers, but the Thai people I know are racist of Chinese people. Another case of love the currency/hate the country

[martin81]

How do they know how much specific nationalities spend per day?

 

For example if somebody pays a prostitute or for meals or for shopping by thai cash they bought in home country how do they count that?

I think spending may be higher than this statistic by Thai ministry

[The Hammer2021]

42 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Do you really think the fun stuff is gone forever? God I hope not!

It might be more like a reset. Once the ridiculous alcohol bans and curfews are over, the nightlife is initially centered around Bkk, Patts and Patong and then slowly spreads back to Samui etc. A bit like going back 25 years and starting from there. 

 

The message is clear:  no more pub/club/ bar based tourism. Pattaya is the first to go. It has gone. It is finished. It took decades to grow and a year to destroy. The future of Thailand is like a cross between Burma, Bangladesh and North Korea.

[Felt 35]

They will come but have most likely no hurry due to already bookings for the winter at Canary Islands so will let the stormtroopers do the surveillance and if clear make their way next high season????

Felt

[The Hammer2021]

34 minutes ago, Flink said:

Well, the latest from the guy  running TAT is that he doesn't want to bring back the bars and clubs and associted "entertainments". Thats logic akin to Biden shutting down border wall construction or Elon Musk deciding that V8's are the future of car manufacturing. You don't discard the very thing (and possibly the only thing) that brought millions of people here every year. This ridiculous idea that Thailand could become the Monaco of Asia as a magnet for the super rich is ridiculous. They don't have the infrastructure in place to do the simple things like keeping the place clean. If the rich and famous docome here it won't be for the "mom and pop" stores and restaurants who are the very peple who need tourist $ the most. The only people who would benefit would be the resort developers and owners and all the money they made would be swiftly sent offshore rather than trickling down to the common folk. 

Common sense would dictate that you go back to what worked and one the money starts coming back in use it to make improvements to the place with a view to switching up SOME AREAS to attract the big spender, but leave the bulk of the country as it was (pre Covid) so everyone gets a share of the money. The hi-si=o's can have their marinas and wealthy clientele and the rest of the population can skim moneyfrom the backpackers and other tourists.

The unelected, unaccountable power elite who took power by force of arms have as much common sense as they do moral responsibility.

[3NUMBAS]

some will come       if they can find the pilots   so many have taken early retiremant they need lots of new staff

 

al this is out of thai hands for the time being

 

some may find the junta intolerable

[Rohe60]

40 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said:

Thai politicians love Chinese powers, but the Thai people I know are racist of Chinese people. Another case of love the currency/hate the country

.... and the (very few) Chinese people I know do the same. They look down on the thais.

[timendres]

24 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The message is clear:  no more pub/club/ bar based tourism. Pattaya is the first to go. It has gone. It is finished. It took decades to grow and a year to destroy. The future of Thailand is like a cross between Burma, Bangladesh and North Korea.

Never underestimate the Thai people.

[cncltd1973]

4 minutes ago, Rohe60 said:

.... and the (very few) Chinese people I know do the same. They look down on the thais.

yeah, thank god asia hasn't allied to take the top of the pyramid. there's so much historical resentment between all those nations, except Malay/Indo (the only exceptions I know of), but if they start sharing the wealth across classes and borders and hide the corruption better, then a lifting asian moral might unite into a global force. honestly, if even China and Russia could put away their difference...

anyways, that's one more thing to add to the list of worries!

[cncltd1973]

12 minutes ago, timendres said:

Never underestimate the Thai people.

the military is in power behind the curtain. who can take power back from the military? politicians that try are banned, protesters are jailed and missing. the only saviour I see is Surachet in a coupe from within, but none of that can happen unless it is approved from above

[Jiggo]

More so, when will expats be leaving Thailand to go on holiday? without all the re-entry nonsense....inc the covid insurance scam... 

[The Hammer2021]

28 minutes ago, timendres said:

Never underestimate the Thai people.

I live in hope. But all round the world freedom and fun is in retreat and dour puritanism is on the march

[The Hammer2021]

9 minutes ago, Jiggo said:

More so, when will expats be leaving Thailand to go on holiday? without all the re-entry nonsense....inc the covid insurance scam... 

Indeed. I am due a visit to blighty

[Jiggo]

18 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Indeed. I am due a visit to blighty

Even harder to plan if not visiting your home country....

[smedly]

3 hours ago, Flink said:

Well, the latest from the guy  running TAT is that he doesn't want to bring back the bars and clubs and associted "entertainments"

lol well he has 2 choices 

 

man up and cancel all bar and nightclub licences and bulldoze them all

 

or simpley shut up

 

and the 3rd choice - look for another job because he is obviously not qualified for the one he has - maybe farming or fishing or he could buy a honda wave and take up position at a taxi rank might be the best choice then he can get a taste of how easy it is to make a living in Thailand 

 

This man is so far removed from reality it is shameful

[smedly]

1 hour ago, The Hammer2021 said:

I live in hope. But all round the world freedom and fun is in retreat and dour puritanism is on the march

yes but in most cases around the world there are people running countries that have something semi solid between their ears 

[smedly]

2 hours ago, cncltd1973 said:

the military is in power behind the curtain. who can take power back from the military?

it has happened it's called revolution but is very messy - it hasn't happened in Thailand so far but I think this is the closest it has ever been 

[The Hammer2021]

2 minutes ago, smedly said:

yes but in most cases around the world there are people running countries that have something semi solid between their ears 

Not in the USA or UK. But anyway the puritanical groundswell in the west is not coming from the Governments. It's a bottom up not top down drive for repression.

[The Hammer2021]

1 minute ago, smedly said:

it has happened it's called revolution but is very messy - it hasn't happened in Thailand so far but I think this is the closest it has ever been 

It did happen here without messy violence. There were democratic elections. There was a civilian government until the coup. 50% of people on this forum supported the junta and the couple and actually preferred the dwarf to Taksin.

[Albert Zweistein]

I remember pre-Covid official sources were mentioning foreign tourism was only counting for 6 - 8 % of GDP, now once of a sudden it's one fifth.