New Thai education law will kill kids’ creativity, warn critics

[webfact]

Two key education bills have sailed through the first reading in the parliament, despite warnings that it will seriously damage the quality of Thai education and offer no benefits for Thailand’s more than 10 million children. (Photo by Thai PBS)

 

Two key education bills have sailed through the first reading in the House of Representatives, despite warnings that both will seriously damage the quality of Thai education.

 

Among those worried is prominent educator Dr Sompong Jitradub, who says the National Educational Bill and the Learning Promotion Bill are “outdated” and do not represent much-needed educational reform.

 

“Today’s youngsters enjoy freedom, independence, democracy, diversity, and active citizenship. But these two draft laws appear to promote centralization, dictating what children must do at each stage of their lives,” said Sompong, an education lecturer at Chulalongkorn University.

 

Full  story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/new-thai-education-law-will-kill-kids-creativity-warn-critics/

 

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[Granet]

The State educates for the growth of The State.

[NanaSomchai]

23 minutes ago, Granet said:

The State educates for the growth of The State.

CCP style.

[spidermike007]

Realistically speaking, can education get any worse in Thailand? When students are not allowed to question their teachers, who are pathologically afraid of losing face, how will the kids learn and keep open minds and get the creative juices flowing?

 

Rather than so called reform, it would be better to admit total failure, and rebuild the system from scratch, using outside help, from the top rated nations in the world for education. 

 

Unless they are simply trying to avoid reform, and a creative and vibrant youth. That is more likely. The army is despised like never before, despite their attempts to oppress. 

[RichardColeman]

Keep it  going, the more nonsense the more I can get the family a good asylum claim and save on immigration fees

[Granet]

1 hour ago, NanaSomchai said:

CCP style.

Western style.  For those that wish for governmental parenting.  

[Granet]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Rather than so called reform, it would be better to admit total failure, and rebuild the system from scratch, using outside help, from the top rated nations in the world for education. 

Would be, yes.  When has it ever happened?

And looking at the current world for examples is not helpful.

They all espouse education which enables their power.

[NanaSomchai]

5 minutes ago, Granet said:

Western style.  For those that wish for governmental parenting.  

Sinothai Propaganda account with 4 posts created 3 days ago. We see you.

Edited November 14, 2021 by NanaSomchai

[Granet]

What? Why?   Don't project on me.  You are fighting against a windmill.

[bendejo]

Creativity is the antithesis of conservative-ism.  Tradition and customs is where it's at presently.  Change is bad, unless changing back the way things were previously.  Creativity leads to free thinking and anarchy.

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Thailand’s educational sector would take a step back if the bills became law, he warned.

A back to the future initiative: aim for the 18th century but settle for the 19th.

In some countries various conservative politicians have different target eras: some want to go back 50 years, or 150 years, but will be happy with 10 years.  Or maybe even last week.  There's a guy in the US who has tried to run for president a few times who apparently wants to go back to the time of the Crusades.

 

 

[Orinoco]

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 seriously damage the quality of Thai education

Is that even possible,

TIT

[ThailandRyan]

Boot camps and indoctrination centers. Kids will learn to march and sing in support of their country ...wait they already do this..  

Edited November 14, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[Orinoco]

6 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Boot camps and indoctrination centers. Kids will learn to march and sing in support of their country ...wait they already do this..  

Yeah, Dancing, Prancing and Saluting.

What a carry on.

TIT.

[Asquith Production]

From 6 to 12 years of age they are also expected to start exploring career choices!.  I was not sure what I wanted to do when I left school.

[jackdd]

3 minutes ago, Asquith Production said:

From 6 to 12 years of age they are also expected to start exploring career choices!.  I was not sure what I wanted to do when I left school.

Did you explore career choices from 6 to 12?

I didn't, and I also didn't know what I wanted to do when I left school. Maybe exploring career choices since 6 would have helped, who knows?

[Asquith Production]

Just now, jackdd said:

Did you explore career choices from 6 to 12?

I didn't, and I also didn't know what I wanted to do when I left school. Maybe exploring career choices since 6 would have helped, who knows?

I think between 6 and 12 I wanted to be many things many of which were unattainable and not just because of education.

[Orinoco]

20 minutes ago, Asquith Production said:

From 6 to 12 years of age they are also expected to start exploring career choices!.  I was not sure what I wanted to do when I left school.

I wanted to be a Racing driver and a Pop star.

Ended up with a MK 1 Cortina and a K-Guitar. LOL.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Orinoco

[mtls2005]

New Thai education law will kill kids’ creativity, warn critics

 

 

This is a feature.

 

The entire goal of the thai edumaction system is to maintain the status-quo.

 

Beating subservience into subsequent generations insures there are never any real reforms here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nobodysfriend]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

despite warnings that it will seriously damage the quality of Thai education

I think to talk about ' quality ' is greatly exaggerated .

Just think about how many Thais are able to speak another language ...

[Paul Henry]

The lawmakers were educated in Thailand and we can see how good that education was!

Another case of the inmates running the asylum.

[zzaa09]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Realistically speaking, can education get any worse in Thailand? When students are not allowed to question their teachers, who are pathologically afraid of losing face, how will the kids learn and keep open minds and get the creative juices flowing?

 

Rather than so called reform, it would be better to admit total failure, and rebuild the system from scratch, using outside help, from the top rated nations in the world for education. 

 

Unless they are simply trying to avoid reform, and a creative and vibrant youth. That is more likely. The army is despised like never before, despite their attempts to oppress. 

It's all rather pathetic, even embarrassing. 

What's more disturbing is that most of the population doesn't recognize such wrong doings and a false direction. 

The few that do call out the "systems" are put on hold or ignored.

[zzaa09]

2 hours ago, Granet said:

Would be, yes.  When has it ever happened?

And looking at the current world for examples is not helpful.

They all espouse education which enables their power.

The most shameful display of these decades of educational suppression might be at university/tertiary level, less any of the lower levels of schooling.

Independent or critical thought is not encouraged nor touched upon. 

[HappyExpat57]

If you read the article, they are suggesting some common sense approaches. Sure, having students consider career choices ages 6-12 won't change their life choices much, but it might just plant a seed or two in fertile soil. I didn't see much wrong at all in the article, but of course it didn't cover the entire bill.

 

And, as TITS, the bill will be given the attention afforded to all other such doctrines.

[Gsxrnz]

Some posters may want to examine the current state of education in their home countries and not rely on their (our) memory of how we were educated back in the day.

 

Education critique is a big thing currently in most of the Western world.  Essentially our grandkids are now being taught to hate their country, gender is optional and gender fluidity is encouraged, parents are not permitted an opinion on school curriculum, CRT is the new religion, Europeans are the scurge of the earth and responsible for all the world's historical evil, Iconic people from Ghandi to Mother Therese were evil, and calculus (and I kid you not) was actually practiced by Australian Aborigines 50,000 years ago.

 

I'm not saying the Thai system is any better, but comparing it to what we had 40 years ago is a far cry from comparing it to today's western education systems.

[BritManToo]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Realistically speaking, can education get any worse in Thailand? When students are not allowed to question their teachers, who are pathologically afraid of losing face, how will the kids learn and keep open minds and get the creative juices flowing?

 

Rather than so called reform, it would be better to admit total failure, and rebuild the system from scratch, using outside help, from the top rated nations in the world for education. 

 

Unless they are simply trying to avoid reform, and a creative and vibrant youth. That is more likely. The army is despised like never before, despite their attempts to oppress. 

Every encounter I had with UK education both as a student in the 1970s and a teacher in the 2000s involved gangs, bullying and beatings. From television shows, it appears to be the same in the USA.

 

This doesn't appear to be the case in Thailand, so I'll stick my neck out and say I prefer the Thai education system.

[harada]

Someone’s been on the hotline to Comrade Xi.   ????????

[ThailandRyan]

6 minutes ago, harada said:

Someone’s been on the hotline to Comrade Xi.   ????????

Conference call with the Lil Fatman in North Korea as well.

[dinsdale]

Just more nationalistic clap trap from an ultra-convservative military government. Nothing to do with real education just molding children's minds to their way of thinking. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by dinsdale

[mtls2005]

39 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

If you read the article, they are suggesting some common sense approaches.

from "the article"...

 

pride in their nation, religion, monarchy and constitutional monarchy; the Sufficiency Economy Philosophy; planning for their future; and also become smart in math, science, technology, computers, Thai and foreign languages, culture and history.

 

 

Note the priorities, and the casual add-on of "become smart".

 

Of course it's 'common sense' for those in power to "control" edumacation. Without control the proles will "get ideas" a la 1932. And it's taken nearly 90 years of constant hammering, lipstick, paint and erasers to finally get back to where they were.

 

"thai history"? Massive spit-take. If you can count to ten you've learned thai history.

 

"thai culture"? Prostration is all you need to learn.

 

 

 

[Bangkok Barry]

49 minutes ago, Gsxrnz said:

Some posters may want to examine the current state of education in their home countries and not rely on their (our) memory of how we were educated back in the day.

 

Education critique is a big thing currently in most of the Western world.  Essentially our grandkids are now being taught to hate their country, gender is optional and gender fluidity is encouraged, parents are not permitted an opinion on school curriculum, CRT is the new religion, Europeans are the scurge of the earth and responsible for all the world's historical evil, Iconic people from Ghandi to Mother Therese were evil, and calculus (and I kid you not) was actually practiced by Australian Aborigines 50,000 years ago.

 

I'm not saying the Thai system is any better, but comparing it to what we had 40 years ago is a far cry from comparing it to today's western education systems.

This is about Thailand, so what happens in other countries has no relevance to this thread.