Hope for same-sex marriage still a faint glimmer in Thailand

[webfact]

People pass through a rainbow walkway inside the Samyan Mitrtown complex in Bangkok on June 11, 2021, in celebration of LGBTQ Pride Month. (Photo by Lillian SUWANRUMPHA / AFP)

 

Despite being considered one of the world’s most tolerant societies, Thailand is unlikely to bless same-sex marriages any time soon.

 

Efforts to legalize the status of same-sex couples in Thailand have been dealt harsh blows recently. The Constitutional Court’s ruling last month supported the Civil and Commercial Code’s edict that only marriage between a man and woman is constitutional. Later it went even further in its explanation of the ruling, which seemed to reflect prevailing prejudices against Thailand’s LGBTQI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer and intersexed) community.

 

In response, many from the LGBTQI community vented their frustration online, complaining the verdict portrayed them as less than human and as a minority trying to overthrow the culture of the majority.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/hope-for-same-sex-marriage-still-a-faint-glimmer-in-thailand/

 

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[TooMuchTime]

Good.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, TooMuchTime said:

Good.

I think being against equal rights for sexual minorities is like racism. Nothing to be proud of.

 

Homophobia doesn't accurately describe anti-gay prejudice. Here's a word that does. (slate.com)

[TooMuchTime]

35 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I think being against equal rights for sexual minorities is like racism. Nothing to be proud of.

 

Homophobia doesn't accurately describe anti-gay prejudice. Here's a word that does. (slate.com)

Leave your "progressive" garbage in your home country please.  Linking to "Slate" also gave me a <deleted> eating grin.  Lord have mercy!

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, TooMuchTime said:

Leave your "progressive" garbage in your home country please.  Linking to "Slate" also gave me a <deleted> eating grin.  Lord have mercy!

The struggle for equal civil rights for sexual minorities is an INTERNATIONAL movement. Your attitude reeks of ignorance, bigotry. and hatred. 

[alex8912]

I don't think the "Q"  in  LBGTQI is for queer lol. It used to be LBG just a few years ago it seemed. Soon it will have more letters. It's kind of getting confusing. Most gay and straight people don't know what each letter means. Most people refer to Q as questioning. I think Queer is covered in the LBG already. 

Edited December 12, 2021 by alex8912

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, TooMuchTime said:

Leave your "progressive" garbage in your home country please.  Linking to "Slate" also gave me a <deleted> eating grin.  Lord have mercy!

So acceptance of others is "progressive garbage"??

Methinks you are showing a prejudiced attitude.

Birds are part of progression from dinosaurs 

You know what happened to dinosaurs??

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

So acceptance of others is "progressive garbage"??

Methinks you are showing a prejudiced attitude.

Birds are part of progression from dinosaurs 

You know what happened to dinosaurs??

Heterosexuals' will become extinct unless they are more accepting of homosexuality ? 

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Heterosexuals' will become extinct unless they are more accepting of homosexuality ? 

Please try under under, it aint that hard, it is the attidue of exclusion which will become extinct. (Hopefully)

Acceptance of diversity whether race, religion, culture or orientation enhances one and the comunity within which they reside 

[RJRS1301]

51 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

I don't think the "Q"  in  LBGTQI is for queer lol. It used to be LBG just a few years ago it seemed. Soon it will have more letters. It's kind of getting confusing. Most gay and straight people don't know what each letter means. Most people refer to Q as questioning. I think Queer is covered in the LBG already. 

Often when people self describe as "queer" irrespective of gender, and many youger people do, they are referring to an activist/political theory, which began in many Universities and schools of philosophy during the 1990s.

What are the main points of queer theory?

Queer theory emphasises the fluid and humanly performed nature of sexuality – or better, sexualities. It questions socially established norms and dualistic categories with a special focus on challenging sexual (heterosexual/homosexual), gender (male/female), class (rich/poor), racial (white/non-white) classifications.

https://guides.library.illinois.edu/queertheory/background

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

In response, many from the LGBTQI community vented their frustration online, complaining the verdict portrayed them as less than human and as a minority trying to overthrow the culture of the majority.

Maybe they should think twice who is the minority and who the majority.

The minority, the LGBTQ+/- whatever, do in Thailand more or less what they want. I see them everyday on the streets and they don't seems to be very suppressed.

Many people accept this minority insofar that if they want to live and f@$@ together let them do it. But a big part of society will never accept that they should have the right to marry and adopt children. 

Many laws are what the majority want. Maybe the LGBTQ+/- whatever minority should accept that and just live happily together without being married.

[nobodysfriend]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

The Constitutional Court’s ruling last month supported the Civil and Commercial Code’s edict that only marriage between a man and woman is constitutional.

Backwards orientated , as ever ...

People work , pay their taxes , do what they are supposed ( by the government ) to do ... It is of no importance at all what their sexual preferences are ( if not paedophile , of course ) . If a man loves a man , a woman loves a woman , it is their PRIVATE LIFE , and the dinosaurs of the government should keep their nose out of it . Not their business .

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Despite being considered one of the world’s most tolerant societies, Thailand is unlikely to bless same-sex marriages any time soon.

Pure fantasy.

[Card]

3 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

Leave your "progressive" garbage in your home country please.  Linking to "Slate" also gave me a <deleted> eating grin.  Lord have mercy!

Leave your regressive fears linked to hatred in your home country. Your lord has no mercy.

[Card]

42 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe they should think twice who is the minority and who the majority.

The minority, the LGBTQ+/- whatever, do in Thailand more or less what they want. I see them everyday on the streets and they don't seems to be very suppressed.

Many people accept this minority insofar that if they want to live and f@$@ together let them do it. But a big part of society will never accept that they should have the right to marry and adopt children. 

Many laws are what the majority want. Maybe the LGBTQ+/- whatever minority should accept that and just live happily together without being married.

You really don't get it do you?

[Card]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Heterosexuals' will become extinct unless they are more accepting of homosexuality ? 

You really are scared out of your wits aren't you? Is your heterosexuality so fragile?

Edited December 13, 2021 by Card

[Darksidedude]

Dont know why this was not the first country to implement same sex marriage, gay/lesbien, transgenger are very common and excepted in Thailand and have been for century's 

[jacko45k]

25 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

it is their PRIVATE LIFE , and the dinosaurs of the government should keep their nose out of it . Not their business .

Excepting that they are being pressed to legislate on their behalf......

[BobBKK]

'Tolerant'?  tell that to those protesting free speech

[Mac Mickmanus]

48 minutes ago, Card said:

You really are scared out of your wits aren't you? Is your heterosexuality so fragile?

Not scared, worried or concerned at all , was just asking a poster to clarify what he meant about dinosaurs going extinct 

[cjinchiangrai]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe they should think twice who is the minority and who the majority.

The minority, the LGBTQ+/- whatever, do in Thailand more or less what they want. I see them everyday on the streets and they don't seems to be very suppressed.

Many people accept this minority insofar that if they want to live and f@$@ together let them do it. But a big part of society will never accept that they should have the right to marry and adopt children. 

Many laws are what the majority want. Maybe the LGBTQ+/- whatever minority should accept that and just live happily together without being married.

By that logic, we should bring back slavery, if the majority wants it. Equal access and equal treatment are not important.

[cjinchiangrai]

41 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

'Tolerant'?  tell that to those protesting free speech

The ones burning books and censoring universities are not the progressives and never have been.

[CharlieH]

Flame post removed.

[richard_smith237]

6 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

Good.

Why would it bother you so much if Gay men or Women wish to marry each other ???

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

By that logic, we should bring back slavery, if the majority wants it. Equal access and equal treatment are not important.

Does the majority want slavery? No. 

 

And about equal treatment: Will I be allowed to marry my favorite twins? If not, why not? Equality and all that...

[Rimmer]

A derogatory slur has been removed also replies

[OneMoreFarang]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Why would it bother you so much if Gay men or Women wish to marry each other ???

You didn't ask me but I can tell you the answer from some people, including me.

 

When people marry then they have the rights of married people. I.e. if one of them is sick in the hospital the other one can visit them and make decisions for them - because they are married. For many of us that is no problem. 

 

But then there are other rights like the right to adopt children. Many countries allow only that married couples adopt children, because they have the best interest of the children in mind. And when those adoption laws were made, many years ago, nobody even dreamed about that one day same sex couples would marry. So the laws were made with male/female couples in the mind of the lawmakers.

 

But now some people want to redefine marriage as something else than marriage of one male and one female person. A child should have a male father and a female mother. That is optimal for children. Giving same sex couples the right to marry and to adopt children undermines the rights of children. I think that is a good reason not to allow marriage of same sex couples until all related laws are reviewed.

 

[richard_smith237]

27 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

But now some people want to redefine marriage as something else than marriage of one male and one female person. A child should have a male father and a female mother. That is optimal for children. Giving same sex couples the right to marry and to adopt children undermines the rights of children. I think that is a good reason not to allow marriage of same sex couples until all related laws are reviewed.

I disagree...  

 

It is more important for a child to have loving parents and to grow up in a happy household than the sexuality of the parents.

 

I see nothing wrong with a parents of any sexuality, what matters most is that the children are loved and well cared for. 

 

There are situations where adults should not have children, but basing this decision solely on sexuality is wrong and would be suggesting that gays cannot provide a suitable home environment for children, which is also wrong. 

 

 

 

 

 

[PremiumLane]

6 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

Leave your "progressive" garbage in your home country please.  Linking to "Slate" also gave me a <deleted> eating grin.  Lord have mercy!

So trans people and same sex partnerships in Eastern countries, which have been recorded for centuries is somehow progressive garbage from the West? You do know that Vatsyayana's The Kama Sutra devotes an entire chapter to homosexuality with explicit detailed instructions on how to perform homosexual acts? 

 

Amazing how guys like you ignore history cos it doesn't fit into your ideology. 

[Jingthing]

54 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

You didn't ask me but I can tell you the answer from some people, including me.

 

When people marry then they have the rights of married people. I.e. if one of them is sick in the hospital the other one can visit them and make decisions for them - because they are married. For many of us that is no problem. 

 

But then there are other rights like the right to adopt children. Many countries allow only that married couples adopt children, because they have the best interest of the children in mind. And when those adoption laws were made, many years ago, nobody even dreamed about that one day same sex couples would marry. So the laws were made with male/female couples in the mind of the lawmakers.

 

But now some people want to redefine marriage as something else than marriage of one male and one female person. A child should have a male father and a female mother. That is optimal for children. Giving same sex couples the right to marry and to adopt children undermines the rights of children. I think that is a good reason not to allow marriage of same sex couples until all related laws are reviewed.

 

So better a child is not adopted by anyone than a single person or a same sex married couple? Hmm. Really?

 

The practical world reality globally is that adoption candidates are carefully screened and single people and same sex couples often get a difficult to place child if they get any child at all.

 

Also consider lesbian couples. Most will not need to adopt to have a baby. Just some sperm not hard to get. Consider their children. They are much better off legally when their parents have a legalized marriage.

Edited December 13, 2021 by Jingthing