55 minutes ago, Petey11 said:

The blame game from government ministers will be in full swing rather than admit that woefully inadequate testing in Thailand's domestic population has let Omicron get a foot hold because they had no idea of true infection levels domestically.

That’s the norm, blame anyone apart from themselves. The bigger picture is quite likely as you say. The WHO specifically stated just over a week ago that it was probably already in most countries, it’s just that they had not detected it yet. So here we are. As posted earlier it’s also now in Bangkok.

 

 

 

When I read this article based on all the daily smoke that is thrown at us, I tend to think this is all made up so they have a excuse as to why they ended the Thailand Pass to really make themselves look good as if they actually know what they are doing!

 

This is the same stuff the CCP pulls! 

4 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

What is happening in the UK is very interesting with each country reacting differently.

Agreed, interesting. I do feel sorry for the Welsh. I heard one commentator calling their First Minister 'Kim Jong Drakeford' yesterday. 

Both my parents and my brother and his wife and child all with covid in the Netherlands, its spreading fast. Thankfully all vaccinated and two with mild symptoms 2 worse. My old dad is ok, my mom has it bad so my brother's wife. Would not want to get it without being vaccinated.

 

But it's strange as we worried about my brother with his underlying illnesses, though my mom with her smoking it is as expected worse. I hope it won't take a turn and get worse for them but it's over a week already for the ones who got it bad.

 

Almost forget their young daughter has it too, she is having mild symptoms.

 

 

3 hours ago, JimHuaHin said:

Considering the hundreds of farang tourists in Hua Hin Market Village this morning, some not wearing masks I must add (no, not the people in the food court eating, people walking around!!!), I am sure there will be reports of Omicron in Hua Hin before the year is out.

Omicron will spread everywhere, masks or no masks. 

 

3 hours ago, chang1 said:

If you catch and survive covid it is going to give some temporary protection but it will weaken over time so no getting around the need for boosters. 

I was listening to an epidemiologist the other day and he explained that in fact previous infection from Covid gives long term protection from severe illness if you were to catch it again. (something to do with T cells I think?). He said the idea of the boosters is to cut infection rates. 

 

I wish I could find a link or remember his name. 

1 hour ago, Petey11 said:

It's not just the medical side. UK chief medical officer stated that they are looking at the wider impact on services. If you have many people having to isolate, doctors, nurses, police, ambulance, fire etc, it can have a knock on effect on services. Estimated 1 in 35 people in London now have covid.

So thousands of key workers are sitting at home for 7 days with no symptoms causing staff shortages. It will surely come to a point where those staff are allowed to continue working (wearing medical grade masks etc), now that Omicron is proven to be no worse than a heavy cold. 

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

So thousands of key workers are sitting at home for 7 days with no symptoms causing staff shortages. It will surely come to a point where those staff are allowed to continue working (wearing medical grade masks etc), now that Omicron is proven to be no worse than a heavy cold. 

Don’t forget it’s the festive season so the levels of sickness will always rise too. 
 

They have already reduced it from 10 to 7 so hopefully common sense will reduce it further. 

4 hours ago, Kal I Sin its fun said:

Information from hospital nurse in Stoke Mandeville to a funeral director in Milton Keynes, suggests mostly vaccinated being admitted. Maybe it’s conspiracy fact!???? shhh don’t tell anyone.

You talking about this story?

 

https://fullfact.org/online/funeral-director-no-evidence/

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

I was listening to an epidemiologist the other day and he explained that in fact previous infection from Covid gives long term protection from severe illness if you were to catch it again. (something to do with T cells I think?). He said the idea of the boosters is to cut infection rates. 

 

I wish I could find a link or remember his name. 

Guardian had an article today where the data showed that omicron causes quite a lot of reinfections.

Some even had their 3rd case of covid.

If i remember correct it was like 1 out of 10 omicron cases that were reinfections.

 

I can't remember if they wrote if reinfections all were mild, due to previous infection.

 

I'm on phone and don't know how to link to article directly since it seems to just link to their main site.

 

Edit. Part of the story.

The UK Health Security Agency (HSA) said the findings showed that the population reinfection rate had “increased sharply and disproportionately

8 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

No.  I am saying the average person will have minor symptoms regardless of # of injections.  Extremely high survival rate shows that.  People will still line up for a "booster" every 3 months as if they will get some prize on the tenth shot.

I think you're concentrating on one aspect and missing others.

 

It looks as if Omicron is not so dangerous as Delta so it will cause fewer cases of hospitalization and also deaths. It is however able to transmit more easily so will cause more cases which will offset the lower numbers to some extent. Boosters will help but we don't know how long they will be effective although I did see something a couple of days ago suggesting a large reduction in efficiency after 10 weeks. How accurate that is I don't know.  In the UK where we have a fairly strong booster programme we are still getting more cases and and an increase in hospitalisations. Deaths are pretty stable at the moment but it may be too early for the effects to be known. Let's hope they stay low.

 

The other issue, and I only really see the figures from the UK but so I don't know the situation in other countries is that the any extra hospitalisations put more pressure on hospitals. There are already problems for the NHS in delays getting seriously ill people into Accident and Emergency (A&E) due to increased arrivals. There have been cases of patients waiting in ambulances for hours and in some cases dying. Not all deaths are due directly to Covid. Some of that is due to underfunding of social care meaning patients are stuck in hospital beds instead of being moved into care so allowing more urgent patients to take their place.

 

Whilst we wait for better vaccines and anti Covid drugs we have use what defences we have, including boosters. It's quite possible we will need boosters on an ongoing basis for some considerable time. We also need to vaccinate greater numbers in poor and developing countries to help stop future variants.

"The couple’s initial COVID-19 test results were negative and they travelled back to their hometown".

 

Which initial test results? To me it seems the couple could very well have contaminated themselves in Thailand.

 

By the way, this is something I hope will be investigated because it would mean present policies are dead wrong:

 

https://news.yahoo.com/nfl-medical-officer-asymptomatic-people-024229009.html

18 minutes ago, Virt said:

Guardian had an article today where the data showed that omicron causes quite a lot of reinfections.

Some even had their 3rd case of covid.

If i remember correct it was like 1 out of 10 omicron cases that were reinfections.

 

I can't remember if they wrote if reinfections all were mild, due to previous infection.

 

I'm on phone and don't know how to link to article directly since it seems to just link to their main site.

I can't find the article you refer to although I think I saw that as well but I did find these from a little while ago.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/dec/02/omicron-may-cause-more-covid-reinfections-say-south-african-experts

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59520945

9 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Does not bode well for reinstatement of Test & Go.

Selfish maybe but it bodes well for covid extensions continuing.

4 hours ago, Petey11 said:

Been publicly stated by ICU doctors, mayor of London, that majority of hospital admissions, especially in London, are  people who have not been vaccinated.

 

10 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Does not bode well for reinstatement of Test & Go.

The Bank Of Thailand agree's with you, not good news at all:

 

The Bank of Thailand has already begun scaling back its GDP projections for 2022 as it concedes that the government’s suspension of the more popular ‘Test and Go’ system for incoming tourists is likely to be carried into the first half of next year either with the reopening of the programme with further conditions or a permanent suspension.

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/12/24/thailand-economy-awaits-omicron-fallout/

Omicron, I lived threw Covid-19. Here's hoping I can make it threw Omicron.  

My luck the one that is supposed to be easy to get over will do me in.. 

 

 

10 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Yes, I agree, but if Thailand shuts itself down every time there is a new variant the test and go will be open for about 2-3 month a year for the next 5 years or so. Once the full data is out then they should open with haste. 

 

The UK has reported 14 deaths 'with' omicron and 70% less hospitalisations with it. If the Uk continues to have 120,000 infections and day for the next month and only 140 deaths from all covid that would represent a 99.9% or something survival rate - i think that is an acceptable risk if that holds true especially as nearly all those dying are extreme in age , pre-existing condition or unvaccinated

This demonstrates that the onset of Omicron may be a huge blessing, a real gift and the beginning of the end of Covid. Something to be thankful for, and not something to panic over. 

 

But, as usual the tiny men in charge are over reacting. Uneven shutdowns, allowing infected workers to cross the border, and other reckless behavior of the Prayuth crowd are the real culprits. 

18 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This demonstrates that the onset of Omicron may be a huge blessing, a real gift and the beginning of the end of Covid. Something to be thankful for, and not something to panic over. 

 

But, as usual the tiny men in charge are over reacting. Uneven shutdowns, allowing infected workers to cross the border, and other reckless behavior of the Prayuth crowd are the real culprits. 

A little less panic on this forum might bode well with the health ( including mental health) of members too. Don't you think?  

1 hour ago, alex8912 said:

A little less panic on this forum might bode well with the health ( including mental health) of members too. Don't you think?  

Absolutely. Fear tends to attract the very thing we fear the most in life! Calmness, patience and let's wait and see. 

12 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

There will be a bunch of unvaccinated people dying from Covid over the next few months.

 

I expect that you will post about being wrong here, since that would be the right thing to do.

The only question that I have and I"ll leave it hanging is who is truly going to care?  

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This demonstrates that the onset of Omicron may be a huge blessing, a real gift and the beginning of the end of Covid. Something to be thankful for, and not something to panic over. 

 

But, as usual the tiny men in charge are over reacting. Uneven shutdowns, allowing infected workers to cross the border, and other reckless behavior of the Prayuth crowd are the real culprits. 

I had people freaking out at me 2 weeks ago when I called this.  How did I call it?  By following data from south africa.  And by the way, today hospitalizations are trending down, not up.  And omicron cases are dropping too.  They called me an anti vaxer.  Ha ha ha.  

 

I've had three vaccinations.  If I croak from omicron then the young can take my things and money and I'll move on.  Not afraid, but still trying to keep it down for now.  But my life goes on unaffected.  

 

JP morgan called the pandemic to end in 2022.  I agree, and the end could very well be omicron, which is, honestly, an upper chest cold.  

1 hour ago, Blumpie said:

I had people freaking out at me 2 weeks ago when I called this.  How did I call it?  By following data from south africa.  And by the way, today hospitalizations are trending down, not up.  And omicron cases are dropping too.  They called me an anti vaxer.  Ha ha ha.  

 

I've had three vaccinations.  If I croak from omicron then the young can take my things and money and I'll move on.  Not afraid, but still trying to keep it down for now.  But my life goes on unaffected.  

 

JP morgan called the pandemic to end in 2022.  I agree, and the end could very well be omicron, which is, honestly, an upper chest cold.  

Alot of panic mongers actually seem disappointed at this thing finally fading out. Wait, wait, let's see! No. We don't have to wait. Nearly all nations are seeing declining deaths, except the US, where you have the highest concentration of Vax conspiracy nutters! 

Omicron is milder. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/23/good-news-is-omicron-may-be-less-severe-bad-news-its-surging-faster

 

 

If you're vaxxed, boosted and masked, no worries. ✅

 

 

4 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Omicron is milder. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/23/good-news-is-omicron-may-be-less-severe-bad-news-its-surging-faster

 

 

If you're vaxxed, boosted and masked, no worries. ✅

 

 

Problem in Thailand is the vaxxed bit or rather a lot of the vaccines given.

9 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Omicron will spread everywhere, masks or no masks. 

 

Well here's a little intrigue for ya': I was on the ThaiSmile flight WE46 DEC 11 that brought the 2 Thai travelers from Belgium BKK to Khon Kaen. No symptoms for me after 2 weeks common to the Covid19 ( as referenced in a BaPo article yesterday).

 

All I remember is that I had an empty seat next to me and all the surrounding passengers were younger than the 47-year old Thai couple and glued to their smartphones.

 

PCR test for me today just to be clear for any holiday gatherings. Details to follow

11 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Omicron will spread everywhere, masks or no masks. 

Probably true.... it may only slow it down. 

17 hours ago, dsj said:

 I read that cases are drastically dropping in South Africa. I read that on Global News in Canada.
Omicron COVID-19 cases drop in South Africa, potentially signaling end of surge.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8467743/omicron-covid-19-cases-drop-south-africa-end-surge/

we don't want to hear positive news

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17 hours ago, jacko45k said:

That is a foolish comment.

They are lining up for the booster because they have decided it is the best thing for their health, and that of family and loved ones. Likely also feeling it is best for the overall pandemic situation..... 

They are following recommendations.

If they die at least it was doing what they loved - their own research.