Omicron is here is it time to get boosted?

[onthedarkside]

A COVID trolling post, and reply to it, have been removed.

 

[Tony125]

Omicron is not that mild: 50,000 to 300,000 more US deaths projected by March: COVID-19 updates

 

USA TODAY

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/omicron-is-not-that-mild-50000-to-300000-more-us-deaths-projected-by-march-covid-19-updates/ar-AASThPf?li=BBnb7Kz

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Tony125 said:

Omicron is not that mild: 50,000 to 300,000 more US deaths projected by March: COVID-19 updates

 

USA TODAY

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/omicron-is-not-that-mild-50000-to-300000-more-us-deaths-projected-by-march-covid-19-updates/ar-AASThPf?li=BBnb7Kz

Perhaps, but will they be caused entirely by omicron or by the underlying condition of the patient, eg obesity, respiratory problems etc?

If patients didn't have conditions such as obesity, would they actually die?

[ozimoron]

US faces wave of omicron deaths in coming weeks, models say

 

But the notion that a generally less severe variant could still take the lives of thousands of people has been difficult for health experts to convey. The math of it — that a small percentage of a very high number of infections can yield a very high number of deaths — is difficult to visualize.

 

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-omicron-covid-19-deaths-08f8db29985b992d5ef98ccfa1459eb7

Edited January 19, 2022 by ozimoron

[Tony125]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps, but will they be caused entirely by omicron or by the underlying condition of the patient, eg obesity, respiratory problems etc?

If patients didn't have conditions such as obesity, would they actually die?

You keep harping on and on  about people dying from Covid because in your opinion they have brought their deaths on by their unhealthy lifestyle. You have mentioned many times about how  many fat kids you see in your area of NZ even though you mention that YOU are a little chubby and could lose some weight.  If you know that why haven't you lost weight.  Why, because it's not that easy when we get older.   You asked if they were not obese  or had underlying conditions would they be dying of Covid? Yes, I sent you a post about a 41 year old EU Champion kickboxer who was in great shape /unvaxed who died of Covid.

You keep talking about calories in /calories out to lose weight. Not that simple.  We have brown fat cells when younger that burn sugar,carbs,white fat cells for energy They don't store fat.but as we age we lose most of the brown fat cells. Becomes much harder to ramp up energy production to burn the white fat cells.

https://www.webmd.com/diet/brown-fat-what-you-need-to-know#1

 

And what should people who are a litttle overweight or obese do, starve themselves , take a crash diet course so they don't get covid? Or get vaccinated and hope the vaccine will work for them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/health/covid-fat-obesity.html

 

 

New science on exercise shows how it affects nearly every cell in the body

https://www.yahoo.com/news/science-exercise-shows-affects-nearly-110116690.html

Edited January 19, 2022 by Tony125

[Tony125]

Why Omicron Is More Likely to Kill Americans

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-omicron-more-likely-kill-095827707.html

 

REUTERS

Mild COVID cases still lead to attention and memory issues

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mild-covid-cases-still-lead-000829958.html

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Tony125 said:

You have mentioned many times about how  many fat kids you see in your area of NZ even though you mention that YOU are a little chubby and could lose some weight.  If you know that why haven't you lost weight.

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Had you read more of my posts you would know that I HAVE lost a lot of weight. I'm almost back to my weight 30 years ago, and I was definitely NOT chubby back then. Lighter and slimmer.

17 hours ago, Tony125 said:

Yes, I sent you a post about a 41 year old EU Champion kickboxer who was in great shape /unvaxed who died of Covid.

Need more info- did he have underlying conditions? There have been fit guys dropping dead for some undiagnosed reason long before covid. Anyway, one example out of 8 billion is hardly significant, though a tragedy on a personal level.

 

17 hours ago, Tony125 said:

And what should people who are a litttle overweight or obese do, starve themselves , take a crash diet course so they don't get covid? Or get vaccinated and hope the vaccine will work for them.

There are several fat burning diets on the internet for any that want to lose weight, or one could just do more exercise. It's been done many times. They are used by people needing surgery, but can't have it as too obese, among other reasons.

Best way of course is not to get fat in the first place.

 

BTW, the vaccine doesn't work for everyone, so yes, it's hope.

[yogi yogi]

18 hours ago, Tony125 said:

You keep harping on and on  about people dying from Covid because in your opinion they have brought their deaths on by their unhealthy lifestyle. You have mentioned many times about how  many fat kids you see in your area of NZ even though you mention that YOU are a little chubby and could lose some weight.  If you know that why haven't you lost weight.  Why, because it's not that easy when we get older.   You asked if they were not obese  or had underlying conditions would they be dying of Covid? Yes, I sent you a post about a 41 year old EU Champion kickboxer who was in great shape /unvaxed who died of Covid.

You keep talking about calories in /calories out to lose weight. Not that simple.  We have brown fat cells when younger that burn sugar,carbs,white fat cells for energy They don't store fat.but as we age we lose most of the brown fat cells. Becomes much harder to ramp up energy production to burn the white fat cells.

https://www.webmd.com/diet/brown-fat-what-you-need-to-know#1

 

And what should people who are a litttle overweight or obese do, starve themselves , take a crash diet course so they don't get covid? Or get vaccinated and hope the vaccine will work for them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/health/covid-fat-obesity.html

 

 

New science on exercise shows how it affects nearly every cell in the body

https://www.yahoo.com/news/science-exercise-shows-affects-nearly-110116690.html

bulimia will fix it

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3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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Had you read more of my posts you would know that I HAVE lost a lot of weight. I'm almost back to my weight 30 years ago, and I was definitely NOT chubby back then. Lighter and slimmer.

Need more info- did he have underlying conditions? There have been fit guys dropping dead for some undiagnosed reason long before covid. Anyway, one example out of 8 billion is hardly significant, though a tragedy on a personal level.

 

There are several fat burning diets on the internet for any that want to lose weight, or one could just do more exercise. It's been done many times. They are used by people needing surgery, but can't have it as too obese, among other reasons.

Best way of course is not to get fat in the first place.

 

BTW, the vaccine doesn't work for everyone, so yes, it's hope.

Always convincing when an anonymous poster counters scientific evidence with personal, unconfirmable testimony.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, placeholder said:

Always convincing when an anonymous poster counters scientific evidence with personal, unconfirmable testimony.

Are you not an anonymous poster? How can you prove that what you say is any more reliable than what I post? IMO you can't.

We all post unverifiable things on here, but it's an internet forum for anonymous posters, not a scientific institution.

 

Jai yen, jai yen.

[BritManToo]

On 1/19/2022 at 5:30 PM, Tony125 said:

Yes, I sent you a post about a 41 year old EU Champion kickboxer who was in great shape /unvaxed who died of Covid.

I read the whole story, it had photos, and the guy was a fatty.

In the same great shape as our favourite wrestlers Giant Haystacks and Big Daddy. 

[Chomper Higgot]

On 1/19/2022 at 10:35 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps, but will they be caused entirely by omicron or by the underlying condition of the patient, eg obesity, respiratory problems etc?

If patients didn't have conditions such as obesity, would they actually die?

Once again you misrepresent the causes of death. People live for decades with underlying health conditions.

 

Obesity and chronic diseases in a population kill at a known and predictable rate. 
 

Then COVID came along and started killing people, the cause of death is what’s written on the death certificates and recorded in the compile me death rate data.

 

But there is the other side of your fixation with other people’s health and your clear belief that those suffering chronic lifestyle diseases are to blame for their health challenges and ergo their susceptibility to this virus. 
 

Given you clearly don’t regard yourself one of the people vulnerable to the virus your argument is that of ‘I’m all right jack’.

 

Governments are enacting public health measures for the whole of their populations, and very rightly not singling out some as less deserving than others.

 

 

Edited January 21, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you not an anonymous poster? How can you prove that what you say is any more reliable than what I post? IMO you can't.

We all post unverifiable things on here, but it's an internet forum for anonymous posters, not a scientific institution.

 

Jai yen, jai yen.

Statements in posts supported by verifiable links are verifiable.

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35 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you not an anonymous poster? How can you prove that what you say is any more reliable than what I post? IMO you can't.

We all post unverifiable things on here, but it's an internet forum for anonymous posters, not a scientific institution.

 

Jai yen, jai yen.

Nonsense. I regularly cite reports from the world of science with links and quotes to back up what I'm saying. You regularly cite your imagination and the contrary-to-fact conclusions derived from it.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Given you clearly don’t regard yourself one of the people vulnerable to the virus your argument is that of ‘I’m all right jack’.

I gave that post a laugh as you claim to know that I regard myself as not vulnerable when I clearly posted a number of times in the past that if I get covid I will probably die.

 

Before making personal attacks on other posters you should at least get it right, but you do get a lot wrong, IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Nonsense. I regularly cite reports from the world of science with links and quotes to back up what I'm saying. You regularly cite your imagination and the contrary-to-fact conclusions derived from it.

Still with the personal attacks, I see.

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27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Still with the personal attacks, I see.

It's you who defended your right to make comments based on nothing but your beliefs. So if anyone has made this personal, it's you.

[Tony125]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you not an anonymous poster? How can you prove that what you say is any more reliable than what I post? IMO you can't.

We all post unverifiable things on here, but it's an internet forum for anonymous posters, not a scientific institution.

 

Jai yen, jai yen.

How can we prove what we say you ask, by usually supplying a link to a science/medical report or in other cases news report. Besides the champion EU kickboxer who died from covid an was in great shape there are many reports in US news ( I don't check alll the world news but some) of anti vaxxers dying who were in good shape no under lying conditions who didn't vax just because of the very reason that they figured they were strong/healthy  had strong immune system so didn't need vaccine. Now they are dead. Being in good health, not fat, no heart problems, diabetes, or high blood pressure makes you less likely to die from covid  but doesn't

help protect you from getting it and possibly dying.

 

Hana Horka: Czech singer dies after catching Covid intentionally

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60050996

[Tony125]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I read the whole story, it had photos, and the guy was a fatty.

In the same great shape as our favourite wrestlers Giant Haystacks and Big Daddy. 

He was a kickboxer not a wrestler and was not fat like the wrestlers you mentioned, no fat aroundhis weigh just has big muscles. Photos below as well as another article about a top athlete who died of covid.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/30/life-tragic-death-john-eyers-fitness-fanatic-who-refused-covid-vaccine

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[Tony125]

South Africa study shows boosters failed to block omicron, bolstering case for face masks, distancing and hand washing

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/3f8d7873-2d8c-33d4-bd50-d08aeb921593/south-africa-study-shows.html

[Airalee]

10 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I read the whole story, it had photos, and the guy was a fatty.

In the same great shape as our favourite wrestlers Giant Haystacks and Big Daddy. 

I wonder if he was juicing (anabolic steroids). ????

[ozimoron]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you not an anonymous poster? How can you prove that what you say is any more reliable than what I post? IMO you can't.

Yes he is. He at least posts links to evidence. You hardly ever do. I see lots of anecdotes.

 

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

We all post unverifiable things on here, but it's an internet forum for anonymous posters, not a scientific institution.

 

Jai yen, jai yen.

No we don't. I make a point of not posting any claims here without links to evidence from credible sources. If I am not satisfied that a reasonable person would consider those links reliable, I simply don't post. If I don't include a link it's always because I have posted links to the specific claim previously. Very occasionally, I will post without a link if the claim is very easily verifiable because it's widely covered in the MSM and very easily found. Did I mention very?

[ozimoron]

The Omicron variant, which is spreading far faster than previous versions of the coronavirus, is not likely to help countries achieve so-called herd immunity against COVID-19, in which enough people become immune to the virus that it can no longer spread, leading disease experts say.

 

Vaccines in development that provide immunity against future variants or even multiple types of coronaviruses could change that, said Pasi Penttinen, the top influenza expert at the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, but it will take time

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/how-omicron-highlights-fading-hope-herd-immunity-covid-2022-01-20/

Edited January 21, 2022 by ozimoron

[Virt]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The Omicron variant, which is spreading far faster than previous versions of the coronavirus, is not likely to help countries achieve so-called herd immunity against COVID-19, in which enough people become immune to the virus that it can no longer spread, leading disease experts say.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/how-omicron-highlights-fading-hope-herd-immunity-covid-2022-01-20/

Here in Denmark we keep breaking the records.

Highest numbers of positive cases today, just like the last couple of days broke the records and we're in our 7th week of omicron with no sign of it decreasing.

 

We're seeing quite a lot of reinfections and now the omicron BA.2 mutation is dominant.

That mutation is suspected of being able to infect you just after you had the omicron BA.1 mutation, so herd immunity might be hard to achieve.

 

It took 26 months for various covid variants to infect 10 % of the population.

It took omicron a month to infect another 10% and seem like it's going on.

 

I read that the 2 omicron mutations BA.1 and BA.2 are so different that WHO might give BA.2 a new name.

 

Not that it matters what name they have, but if other countries get as many BA.2 infections as we currently have, they might have to get ready for spikes again.

 

The good thing they don't send so many to hospital but everything has a limit.

We're at 46000 cases today in a 5.8 mill population, and i think that could cause problems if those numbers continues a few weeks more since admissions to hospital lag a bit.

 

Hopefully our mayor outbreak will die or soon, so we can get back to normal.

 

I think it will and we will be back to normal in March ????

 

 

[Ryan754326]

On 1/19/2022 at 5:30 PM, Tony125 said:

 

 

And what should people who are a litttle overweight or obese do, starve themselves , take a crash diet course so they don't get covid? Or get vaccinated and hope the vaccine will work for them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/health/covid-fat-obesity.html

 

 

 

Yes, they should get vaccinated, and be happy knowing that they are well protected having done so… Then stop worrying about what everyone else does concerning their own health.
 

If we’re going to make it about overcrowded hospitals and wasting public resources, then we’re opening the door to the government having control over a lot more aspects of our lives than just vaccinations.  
 

If the vaccine mandate crowd was calling for unvaccinated covid patients to be given last priority at hospitals, then I’d be just fine with that, but if we’re going to start creating a hierarchy of who gets medical treatment first, based on their poor health related choices, then there’s going to be a lot of people finding themselves somewhere near the bottom of that list for many other reasons besides refusing the vaccine. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by onthedarkside
misinfo comment removed

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CDC: Boosters 90% effective in preventing severe COVID-19, hospitalizations

Booster shots of the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines were 90% effective in preventing hospitalizations from the omicron variant through the last quarter of 2021, data released Friday from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows.

Three studies published by the CDC, looking at millions of COVID-19 cases, showed that the vaccine boosters provide strong protection against severe disease or hospitalization from the omicron variant across the country.

https://www.boston25news.com/news/trending/cdc-studies-show-boosters-90-effective-preventing-severe-covid-19-hospitalizations/WCI3J7EFGNEX5BHKVX6IKWPP7E/

[ozimoron]

A fourth dose of COVID-19 vaccine given to people over 60 in Israel made them three times more resistant to serious illness than thrice-vaccinated people in the same age group, Israel's Health Ministry said on Sunday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/fourth-covid-vaccine-shot-sharply-raises-serious-illness-resistance-over-60s-2022-01-23/

[Virt]

9 hours ago, ozimoron said:

A fourth dose of COVID-19 vaccine given to people over 60 in Israel made them three times more resistant to serious illness than thrice-vaccinated people in the same age group, Israel's Health Ministry said on Sunday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/fourth-covid-vaccine-shot-sharply-raises-serious-illness-resistance-over-60s-2022-01-23/

Also important to note they haven't looged any deaths to Omicron so far.

[ozimoron]

GENEVA, Jan 24 (Reuters) - The head of the World Health Organization on Monday urged countries to work together to bring the acute phase of the pandemic to an end, saying that they now have all the tools available to do so.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-chief-says-world-critical-juncture-covid-pandemic-2022-01-24/

[Tony125]

 

Immunity against variants found in Sinovac recipients who got mixed vaccine booster

https://www.yahoo.com/news/immunity-against-variants-found-sinovac-040526117.html

 

 

 

Land of Smiles? Thailand may have more face masks laws than anywhere on the planet

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/land-smiles-thailand-may-more-114353086.html

 

 

Why are children who have had Covid at risk of becoming diabetic?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-children-had-covid-risk-155236434.html