ICE vs EV, the debate thread

[vinny41]

18 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No surprise there, as they were primarily going to produce the Neta s.   Since CN put a hold on that, would seem silly for TH to do it on their own.  Without the Neta, makes sense to wait & see, before diving into battery production, as image that would have been for the Neta s also.

I think you will find that Neta had talks with PTT about PTT providing  a factory for building neta cars in Thailand 

In the end Neta selected a different company

NETA's EV manufacturing plant in Thailand is a collaboration between NETA and Bangchan General Assembly Co., Ltd.

https://www.neta.co.th/en/news/brands-pr-news/NETAproductioninThailand

 

Neta V” is not an EV brand “PTT” “Arun Plus” moves forward with a complete production plant

https://www.bangkokbiznews.com/auto/1038676

So the planned new factory was for Arun Plus PTT own brand of EV 

[atpeace]

12 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Currently YOY ev registrations for 2024 for period 1st January 2024 to 31st October 2024 are 59,327 an increase of 2.159% over same period in 2023

 ev registrations for same period 2023 numbers are 58,074

EV sales for the whole of 2023 was approx 90,000

EV sales for 2024 currently are 45,674 

We will have to wait and see if 45,000 ev are sold between November 1st and 31st December 2024

problem I see if your buying a new car that costs B1 million baht do you buy when launched at B1 million or do you wait for 1st priice reduction after 7-8 months and buy at B750,000 or do you wait for 15 months and buy at 50% price reduction of B500,000 

https://autolifethailand.tv/total-ev-bev-register-2023-thailand/

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-oct-2024-thailand/

I'm sure your numbers are correct and definitely a  buyer's market if you are not in a rush.  The numbers I posted were from the article the poster I replied to linked.  Used cars are even a better deal IMO.

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I took this graphic from the EV Club Thailand group on Facebook.

 

It’s fairly clear EV market share is increasing substantially and this can only mean the ICE market share is decreasing.  
 

I thought I better post it as it’s clear young Vinny is either not able or capable.

 

 

Here is the full graphic from  EV Club Thailand group on Facebook. which shows 2023 and 2024  registration figures and market share

number of EV sales in 2023 was approx 90,000 and December sales are shown in January 2024 ev registration numbers

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[atpeace]

42 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I think you must be smoking something strong if you  think  the EV market share is increasing substantially based on those numbers I don't think the EV brand manufacturers would agree with you since if demand was outstripping supply I am not aware of any industry that if demand was greater than supply would feel the need to resort to price reductions to increase their sales

As previously stated many times before EV were available ICEV had 100% market share so it only takes to sell 1 EV for ICE vehicles market share  to be  decreasing.  

As for your request to do the research I chosed the option if you want the figures you should provide them yourself and you would have found it takes a lot of time and effort

where looking at 2 links from 2023 and 2024 on Ev registrations took approx 2 minutes

Fair enough but what is the trend over the last 5-10 years?  I think you would agree that there are many variables that have a large impact on ICE and EV sales.  You can pick cherry pick a geographic region or a period of time but that is disingenuous.  Car sales are down in 2024 as a whole( EV numbers are slightly up), no EV incentives, and the economy is struggling just to name a few variables.

 

Passenger car sales in Thailand have had huge swings over the last 2 decades. Some years dropping 20% yet EV sales are still growing ( not by much ) this year when ICE sales down substantially.  Car manufacturing was down ~ 17% the first 6 months of this year!

 

I'm still not convinced EVs will dominate the passenger car market in the coming decades but is sure seems likely.  When EVs have 600-1000 km range as the norm, they are cheaper, and the charging network improves, do you really think ICE will be the vehicle of choice for most (not all) buyers?  

 

I force myself to look at the EV revolution with doubt.  There is quite a bit of positive data but will the current batteries last 10-20 years? I like real world ownership data and at this point that isn't available.  I decided on an entry level EV and still have my truck.  The truck is great to load up with trash but that is all I use it for now. 

 

The EV is free to drive and now I drive MUCH more because it is free. Camping will be great during the heat of the day when I can draw 3000 watts from the car to run an AC and power electroncis. Already have a LFP battery and don't need PEA but if shtt happens with my system I have a car that could power my house for days.  Down the road I'm sure there will be things that need to be replaced but so far it has been a wonderful experience.

 

I have too much time on my hands to ramble 🙂