ICE vs EV, the debate thread

[Pib]

 

Here's the 46th Bangkok International Motor Show 24 Mar-6 Apr 2025 sales chart.   What I was "kinda" surprised by was Toyota being displaced by BYD/Densa for the #1 sales spot.   I thought BYD would probably come in #2 again like the last motor show...but times are a'changing...and BYD has come out with a lot more models over the last year....more choices even to include HEV.   Then GAC AION and Deepal (electric car companies) coming in #3 and #4.   Honda then coming in #5.     

 

Toyota and Honda "might want to get their heads out of their ICEV hole" and get moving a lot faster on making BEVs.  Then again, maybe both of them have an awesome new traction battery and/or combustion engine "just around the corner" that will kill-off EVs---seems Toyota has been projecting such for years now.  (giggle, giggle)    

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/booking-motor-show-2025-46th/

 

[Sir Dude]

Guess a big factor is how the electricity is generated... if you just push the carbon further up the supply chain towards the sources, then it's a moot point. There are issues with EVs like where all the lithium and colbalt etc. is coming from, and the places much of this is mined is hardly the poster-boy for ethics and sustainable business in a green way. Hopefully, there will soon be an alternative to lithium batteries and they are heading toward solid state batteries but will take time. Also, making an EV has a bigger carbon footprint than making an ICE car... just takes time to clear the debt for an EV with using elecricity.

The transition will take time, and the tech has to mature and convince people they have nothing to worry about like poor charging/reliability in cold weather, insurance, repairs, expensive replacement batteries, or range anxiety etc. However, during the transition, then ICE cars are not going away anytime soon (unless maybe you live in a deluded Milliband eutopia fantasy land country), and I think the real near-time objective should be these e-fuels that have tiny-to-zero emissions that you can put in an ICE engine... that should be pushed and normalized.

[HighPriority]

We are fortunate that ice are so environmentally friendly in their resources, manufacture, running and maintenance… 🙄