Yellow house book requires long term visa

[thaibook]

This morning I went to the Nonthaburi municipal offices to obtain a yellow house book (tabien bahn) for a condo I have bought.  I had all the documents if had been told were needed plus a few.  The woman at the desk looked at my passport and said she could not issue the house book as I was on a tourist visa (actually I am on a 60 day extension of a visa exempt stamp based on marriage) and needed to get a married to Thai or retirement visa (I di dnot point out these are extensions of stay rather than visas).

 

Does anyone know if this is correct?  Does the law say anything about the type of visa needed to obtain a yellow house book or is it at the discretion of the municipality?

 

In case the law says I shoul dbe able to obtain it, how can I complain and to whom?

 

Many thanks

 

 

 

  

[KhunLA]

If you bought the condo, why do you not have a blue book already ?

[ubonjoe]

I you case you should not need a long stay permit to stay from a extension of stay.

Do you have a blue house book for you condo? If you have one it should be any problem to get a yellow house book.

[tonray]

When I moved I to GF's house in Bang Yai, went to district office and was told long term visa irrelevant, had to be married. Informed my neighbor who is married and he went with wife a few days later and they made up a different excuse. Some municipalalities just don't want to accept foreigners or more correctly don't want to deal with the the paperwork.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

If you bought the condo, why do you not have a blue book already ?

Having a blue book doesn't mean you can get a yellow book which is what he is asking about

[KhunLA]

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

Having a blue book doesn't mean you can get a yellow book which is what he is asking about

If having a blue book, why would you need a yellow book, if they would even issue one, as a bit redundant.  Maybe why they didn't, and something is lost in translation he didn't understand.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, tonray said:

When I moved I to GF's house in Bang Yai, went to district office and was told long term visa irrelevant, had to be married. Informed my neighbor who is married and he went with wife a few days later and they made up a different excuse. Some municipalalities just don't want to accept foreigners or more correctly don't want to deal with the the paperwork.

I've had 3 yellow books, and not married at the time to the any of the blue book holders.

[scubascuba3]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

If having a blue book, why would you need a yellow book, if they would even issue one, as a bit redundant.  Maybe why they didn't, and something is lost in translation he didn't understand.

one reason to have yellow book is potentially avoid the land and property tax, can't put your name in blue book

[glegolo18]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

I you case you should not need a long stay permit to stay from a extension of stay.

Do you have a blue house book for you condo? If you have one it should be any problem to get a yellow house book.

edit......

 

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

one reason to have yellow book is potentially avoid the land and property tax, can't put your name in blue book

He owns, so can't avoid land & property tax, which is so minimal, why bother trying to avoid. 

 

Example of 'high' property tax, 2.5m baht house on 2 rai of land = 5 baht tax ... that was yearly tax ????

I understand 'empty / unused' land is at a higher rate, but just say you're farming, and you avoid the higher rate.  It's all a bit of a joke.

 

I can't see them issuing a yellow book, if having a blue book, and no reason not to have a blue book.

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, tonray said:

Some municipalalities just don't want to accept foreigners or more correctly don't want to deal with the the paperwork.

I'm pretty sure its the amount of paperwork that puts them off.... .

 

Firstly, it's a free process, so there’s nothing ‘in it’ for them to justify all the extra work.....  so this runs towards a mentality of ‘why should I’....  as a result the Amphur Officers put up brick walls until it becomes more hassle for them not to issue the book than not to !!...

 

My Wife was initially told that ‘my Visa type doesn’t exist’  (yes really)... of course my Wife argued, came home, took a photo of my Visa and went back !!... OK, that visa exists !!!... my wife was then told with that visa I cannot get a yellow book. My wife argued, asked to see the Boss... OK...  with my Visa I could... we were then given a list of things I needed....  (the difficult part being the MFA verified translation of an Embassy certified Copy of my passport. 

 

We were given an appointment, no availability for 2 months !!!! (yeah, I know - I think they were hoping we’d give up)....  No worries, I was in no rush. 

 

We turned up on appointment day...  The poor girl took about 2 hours or more... solid form filling - what a hassle. 

It was then that I understood all the subterfuge to put us off...   I would have felt sorry for the girl (Amphur officer) but she’d been so awkward at the beginning.

 

In contrast, the pink ID took 15 mins !! (but needed the Yellow book).

 

[scubascuba3]

20 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

He owns, so can't avoid land & property tax, which is so minimal, why bother trying to avoid. 

 

Example of 'high' property tax, 2.5m baht house on 2 rai of land = 5 baht tax ... that was yearly tax ????

I understand 'empty / unused' land is at a higher rate, but just say you're farming, and you avoid the higher rate.  It's all a bit of a joke.

 

I can't see them issuing a yellow book, if having a blue book, and no reason not to have a blue book.

 

one property only you can avoid it, you didn't know that? right now it's 90% discount, it will start going up year after year

[TheScience]

2 hours ago, thaibook said:

Does anyone know if this is correct? 

It doesn't matter. You're not getting the book. You gonna argue a point of law with her on a short term extension?

[ubonjoe]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

If having a blue book, why would you need a yellow book, if they would even issue one, as a bit redundant.  Maybe why they didn't, and something is lost in translation he didn't understand.

A blue house book for a condo owned by foreigner does not have their name in and they cannot be registered in it. They get a yellow house tied to the blue house book as the owner of the condo that has their name in it.

[ubonjoe]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Having a blue book doesn't mean you can get a yellow book which is what he is asking about

Yes it does. Many have easily gotten a yellow house book for their condo.

[scubascuba3]

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Yes it does. Many have easily gotten a yellow house book for their condo.

certainly not easy, Pattaya City Hall wants a notorised passport + you have to drag 2 Thais along who have blue books

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

A blue house book for a condo owned by foreigner does not have their name in and they cannot be registered in it. They get a yellow house tied to the blue house book as the owner of the condo that has their name in it.

Learn something new everyday, as strange as that is.  Does explain the quest for the yellow.

THANKS

[KannikaP]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

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[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

A blue house book for a condo owned by foreigner does not have their name in and they cannot be registered in it. They get a yellow house tied to the blue house book as the owner of the condo that has their name in it.

So who's name is in the blue book?

[ubonjoe]

16 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

So who's name is in the blue book?

There is not name in it unless the owner allows somebody to be the head of household to be in it.

[Peterw42]

26 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

So who's name is in the blue book?

Any Thais that live in the property would be listed in the blue book, any foreigners that live in a property (in theory) are listed in the properties yellow book.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Peterw42

[scubascuba3]

My condo 20+ years old has no name in the blue book, apparently not unusual

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

There is not name in it unless the owner allows somebody to be the head of household to be in it.

That just confuses me even more.  Having a hard time wrapping my head around that, and don't think I'd be comfortable with that situation.

 

Type of visa aside, how would you get a yellow book, if no name in the blue book, as who would go to the office to authorize / allow you to be added to the blue book via yellow, since no name in the blue book.

 

How's that conversation go;

Like to be issued a yellow book ... OK, is the owner here ... yea that's me .... say what, can I see your blue book ... here ....  no name, you're messing with me right.

 

Is that a new kind of Catch 22-3-4 or what ????

 

So except for bill of sale, and whatever paperwork in the condo's owner/management/builder's office, there isn't much of a record that you actually own anything or even reside there.  Kind of leaves things open for a bit of scamming.  Blue book & yellow book is almost as important here as a Gov't ID.

 

How would you get a 'letter of residence' from Imm if not able to produce something.  Not sure writing yourself a lease, without a blue book, or a no name blue book is going to work ... ????  Yea, it's mine, trust me.

 

[Banana7]

I don't know what the law says but here is what Pattaya City Hall wants to issue a yellow house book, as shown in the photo below. That list is directly from Pattaya City Hall. As you may have guessed, the list is not complete so see the thread mentioned below.

 

You have to go to the same municipality that issued the blue book to get the yellow book. Various municipalities have different requirements.

 

Also see here:

 

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by Banana7

[Peterw42]

7 hours ago, KhunLA said:

That just confuses me even more.  Having a hard time wrapping my head around that, and don't think I'd be comfortable with that situation.

 

Type of visa aside, how would you get a yellow book, if no name in the blue book, as who would go to the office to authorize / allow you to be added to the blue book via yellow, since no name in the blue book.

 

How's that conversation go;

Like to be issued a yellow book ... OK, is the owner here ... yea that's me .... say what, can I see your blue book ... here ....  no name, you're messing with me right.

 

Is that a new kind of Catch 22-3-4 or what ????

 

So except for bill of sale, and whatever paperwork in the condo's owner/management/builder's office, there isn't much of a record that you actually own anything or even reside there.  Kind of leaves things open for a bit of scamming.  Blue book & yellow book is almost as important here as a Gov't ID.

 

How would you get a 'letter of residence' from Imm if not able to produce something.  Not sure writing yourself a lease, without a blue book, or a no name blue book is going to work ... ????  Yea, it's mine, trust me.

 

Blue book has nothing to do with property ownership, it simply lists the Thais that live in the property, owner or renter.

A Chanote is the property title deeds for ownership.

If a Thai moves into a property, the owner takes their chanote to the local ampher, proves ownership, then adds the Thai person to the blue book.

 

This is exactly what I just did last week, my wife sold her house where she was listed in the blue book and (officially) moved into my condo. For 5 years prior the blue book was blank, I was listed in the yellow book

[HKexpat]

I also bought a condo around 4 years ago in Bangkok and only have a blue book with no name in it.  Is there any requirement to go to the trouble of obtaining a yellow book anyway as it seems I can just fill in a TM30 to report to immigration that I am living at the condo?  Still wondering whether to try and get the illusive yellow book or give it a miss.  Thanks. 

[Peterw42]

16 minutes ago, HKexpat said:

I also bought a condo around 4 years ago in Bangkok and only have a blue book with no name in it.  Is there any requirement to go to the trouble of obtaining a yellow book anyway as it seems I can just fill in a TM30 to report to immigration that I am living at the condo?  Still wondering whether to try and get the illusive yellow book or give it a miss.  Thanks. 

Its an ongoing discussion as to the usefulness of yellow book/pink ID.

Personally I have found it very useful, others report different.

To get the full benefit, you need to move things like bank accounts, license etc over to yellow/pink (name in Thai).

[ubonjoe]

9 hours ago, Banana7 said:

I don't know what the law says but here is what Pattaya City Hall wants to issue a yellow house book, as shown in the photo below. That list is directly from Pattaya City Hall. As you may have guessed, the list is not complete so see the thread mentioned below.

That list is for those that are wanting a yellow house book tied to a blue house book that is not one for a condo they own. Most people asking for them are married to a Thai and want one for the house owned by the spouse.

[scubascuba3]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That list is for those that are wanting a yellow house book tied to a blue house book that is not one for a condo they own. Most people asking for them are married to a Thai and want one for the house owned by the spouse.

What's the requirements for Pattaya City Hall for a condo yellow book? BTW they only have one list

[digbeth]

the maximum property tax you can avoid is 2000 baht, you can weigh how much of a bother getting the yellow book is to you, 

 

having any Thai in the blue book also exempt the property from the tax too, so there's that