Skin or muscle? The choice facing COVID booster recipients in Thailand

[webfact]

 

In a move to reduce side effects from mRNA booster shots, the Public Health Ministry has given recipients three different COVID-19 vaccination options. The first is the full 30-microgram dose via intramuscular injection. The second is a half dose (15mcg) via the same method. And the third is a 10mcg dose via intradermal injection into the skin.

 

The three options are available from February 1, enabling people to choose the method they believe will have the least after-effects.

 

Common side effects of mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) are redness and swelling around the injection site. Many recipients have also reported tiredness, headaches, muscle pain, chills, fever, and nausea.

 

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[rbkk]

Most importantly, surely, is which of the options (All?) is recognized internationally for travel and will be shown and accepted overseas on the Intervac Vaccine Certificate issued by the Thailand Dept. Health.

[4MyEgo]

Why not just wrap everyone up in cotton wool, of course people are going to get some kind of systems after the jab, that's because they are being injected with foreign substances and the immune system is going to respond as it would if you got infected with the virus naturally, albeit you might feel a little worse off with the virus infecting you (load).

[robblok]

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Why not just wrap everyone up in cotton wool, of course people are going to get some kind of systems after the jab, that's because they are being injected with foreign substances and the immune system is going to respond as it would if you got infected with the virus naturally, albeit you might feel a little worse off with the virus infecting you (load).

A little worse, i guess you havent read the research its a fact that those who are not vaccinated have a far higher risk 8 or more times to end up in a hospital. Next time do your research and don't spread misinformation. 

 

Also the whole point of the vaccination is to let your body respond to a foreign substance and that is what will give you the protection, but you cannot compare that to how you would feel if you really got the virus. 

[Guderian]

I thought the side-effects of the second AZ jab were far worse than the Pfizer booster. In fact, that one didn't bother me at all, not even a sore arm afterwards, whereas the second AZ jab knocked me out completely for a day.

[jippytum]

I have had two AZ injections and waiting to hear about the third booster date.

Now the medical experts i have relied upon for guidance are in effect saying ' we don't know what method is best for you so take pot luck and decide for yourself. So much for medical science thanks a bunch

[cnx101]

Unbelievable, just give the correct injections, ... a bit of pains good for you

Edited February 8, 2022 by onthedarkside
trolling comment removed

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, jippytum said:

I have had two AZ injections and waiting to hear about the third booster date.

Now the medical experts i have relied upon for guidance are in effect saying ' we don't know what method is best for you so take pot luck and decide for yourself. So much for medical science thanks a bunch

They can't tell you what they don't know. It takes time to research and I doubt there is much difference. Would you rather they did not admit they did not know. I think its a good thing to admit if you don't know something. Otherwise who would believe them if they just make stuff up without knowing. 

[Wuvu2]

I got a Moderna booster (after Pfizer/Pfizer) at MedPark on Feb 5. They did not offer me any options ;-(

[Joe Farang]

I had Moderna x 3 jabs. I assume full doses, into the muscle on my left arm.

Had what felt like a mild hangover for a day. Lethargic with a mild headache at the back of my head. I could work (still from home) and after work I lay on the couch with my hooves up. Nothing bad really. Also had a bit of pain where injection went in, but again nothing bad.

[wensiensheng]

How about following the manufacturers recommendations on the basis that they are resolved following testing during trials?

 

I mean, just a thought.

 

alternatively make up your own ideas based on, well, nothing really.

 

total nonsense being spouted.

[daveAustin]

24 minutes ago, Guderian said:

I thought the side-effects of the second AZ jab were far worse than the Pfizer booster. In fact, that one didn't bother me at all, not even a sore arm afterwards, whereas the second AZ jab knocked me out completely for a day.

AZ knocked me a bit too; Moderna fine. Then again a neighbour (nurse) was bed ridden after Pfizer. Different strokes I guess. 

[wensiensheng]

12 minutes ago, jippytum said:

I have had two AZ injections and waiting to hear about the third booster date.

Now the medical experts i have relied upon for guidance are in effect saying ' we don't know what method is best for you so take pot luck and decide for yourself. So much for medical science thanks a bunch

This recommendation to give three options came from the Thai Public Health Ministry. Where do medical experts and medical science come into it? They are making it up as they go along.

[PEE TEE]

A report saying that another side effect in the over 50s from the booster shot is Shingles i got shingles a week after mine and two more friends also got it. I was lucky and only had mild case right side on my back lasted 2 weeks . has anyone else heard this?  

[Almer]

1st Pfizer gave a bad stomach ( maybe some food) 2nd Pfizer,  2 weeks after the mother of all skin rashes across my chest hospitalized for 5 days with a drip antibiotic, diagnosed as an unspecified viral skin infection temperature on  admission 39.2,3rd Pfizer 2 weeks ago no problems.

[Wookie]

40 minutes ago, Guderian said:

I thought the side-effects of the second AZ jab were far worse than the Pfizer booster. In fact, that one didn't bother me at all, not even a sore arm afterwards, whereas the second AZ jab knocked me out completely for a day.

I have had three AZ shots with absolutely no side effects

[4MyEgo]

45 minutes ago, robblok said:

A little worse, i guess you havent read the research its a fact that those who are not vaccinated have a far higher risk 8 or more times to end up in a hospital. Next time do your research and don't spread misinformation. 

 

Also the whole point of the vaccination is to let your body respond to a foreign substance and that is what will give you the protection, but you cannot compare that to how you would feel if you really got the virus. 

At no time was I spreading misinformation, in other words, suggesting anything other than getting vaccinated, I was merely saying perhaps we should wrap them up in cotton wool if they are going to complain about the usual after effects of the mRNA vaccines or other for that matter.

 

I am well aware that the unvaccinated make up them majority of those dying, you don't have to be a rocket scientist, sometimes you have to read between the lines of what people are saying before you go pointing the finger, back at yah !

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/deaths

 

 

[robblok]

13 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

At no time was I spreading misinformation, in other words, suggesting anything other than getting vaccinated, I was merely saying perhaps we should wrap them up in cotton wool if they are going to complain about the usual after effects of the mRNA vaccines or other for that matter.

 

I am well aware that the unvaccinated make up them majority of those dying, you don't have to be a rocket scientist, sometimes you have to read between the lines of what people are saying before you go pointing the finger, back at yah !

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/deaths

 

 

I was not talking about deaths im talking about hospitalization. I think 8 or more times less chance to get in a hospital is not a little. It was the a little worse that I had a problem with. Maybe you did not mean it that way but so many seem to make light of Covid that im a bit sensitive to it at times. Sorry if you did not mean it that way.

[Srikcir]

39 minutes ago, Joe Farang said:

I had Moderna x 3 jabs. I assume full doses, into the muscle on my left arm.

Had what felt like a mild hangover for a day. Lethargic with a mild headache at the back of my head. I could work (still from home) and after work I lay on the couch with my hooves up. Nothing bad really. Also had a bit of pain where injection went in, but again nothing bad.

I had 2 jabs Pfizer followed by prepaid full intramuscular dose Moderna after 5 months. No side effects from any jabs. No injection site pain. My experience. Every body is different with regard to immune systems.

[Purdey]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The first is the full 30-microgram dose via intramuscular injection. The second is a half dose (15mcg) via the same method. And the third is a 10mcg dose via intradermal injection into the skin.

Are they all equally effective? I could guess no, but why must I guess? A 100%, 50% or 33% dose. Will they all be equally effective? Ok so there might be a difference in the side effects but for many people, being protected is worth a 24 hour headache.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Purdey
Typo

[4MyEgo]

20 minutes ago, robblok said:

I was not talking about deaths im talking about hospitalization. I think 8 or more times less chance to get in a hospital is not a little. It was the a little worse that I had a problem with. Maybe you did not mean it that way but so many seem to make light of Covid that im a bit sensitive to it at times. Sorry if you did not mean it that way.

It's all good, I can see where your coming from.

 

As for those choosing not to get vaccinated, well that is a different topic, however, so far with two doses I'm still here at 62, as for the booster, I am 5 months since my last vax and will hold off for another month to see what the score is. I mean I am pro-vax, but I have had the Influenza vax, Pneumonia booster and two Pfizers last year, with an antibody test stating my level has dropped to 994AU/mL which means it has waned.

 

The above said, I don't want to exhaust my immune system with a booster for as long as I can hold off, i.e. if I can have it as an annual shot, that would be my preference, and as Omicron is not as lethal as Delta and I am relatively fit and have B & T cells that can fight it, well, hopefully I will not be another statistic ending up in hospital, as I technically might be considered unvaccinated now ?

[robblok]

1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said:

It's all good, I can see where your coming from.

 

As for those choosing not to get vaccinated, well that is a different topic, however, so far with two doses I'm still here at 62, as for the booster, I am 5 months since my last vax and will hold off for another month to see what the score is. I mean I am pro-vax, but I have had the Influenza vax, Pneumonia booster and two Pfizers last year, with an antibody test stating my level has dropped to 994AU/mL which means it has waned.

 

The above said, I don't want to exhaust my immune system with a booster for as long as I can hold off, i.e. if I can have it as an annual shot, that would be my preference, and as Omicron is not as lethal as Delta and I am relatively fit and have B & T cells that can fight it, well, hopefully I will not be another statistic ending up in hospital, as I technically might be considered unvaccinated now ?

I havent had my booster either I think i need to take it in march or so 6 months after last dose. But yes some research seems to indicate that too much is not good either. But its all so strange i mean people get infected with covid and then get again. So even getting covid wont make you bullet proof. 

[Wuvu2]

1 hour ago, Wuvu2 said:

I got a Moderna booster (after Pfizer/Pfizer) at MedPark on Feb 5. They did not offer me any options ;-(

Hmmm.  I asked MedPark and learned that I was given 100ug (.5ml) of Moderna as the booster. I received my initial 2 Pfizer doses for free, but I paid for this one so I could receive it after six months. I'm a little surprised I got so much more than recommended, but I guess they gave me the dose I paid for and I only had a days worth of side effects.

 

I noticed that none of the certificates list dose size (at least not in English).  From reading other posts it sure seems like dose size is something we need to pay closer attention to in Thailand.  Now I'm wondering how that might work out regarding international recognition of the vaccines received here.

[Flying Saucage]

There are some more side effects of mRNA vaccines, by the way:

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666602221000409

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2781601

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34374740/

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X21005247

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589238X21000292#f0005

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896841121000937

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1052305721003098

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33606296/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34133027/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34174723/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34105244/

 

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2021/08/12/peds.2021-053427.full.pdf

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167527321012286

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1885585721002218

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1443950621011331

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34487236/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34435250/

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666354621000065

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34186348/

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971221007049

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272638621007423

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1871402121001880

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33475702/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34414880/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33838206/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34487581/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34336436/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34477091/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34293683/

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by Flying Saucage

[KhunBENQ]

Had Sinovac with no side effects and probably no effects

Then AZ, nothing remarkable. can't remember.

Last was Moderna full dose (Dec 17).

That made a bit of discomfort around the injection (left upper arm).

Gone next day.

Did an "IgG" antibody test on Jan 3.

"8000 Au/ml". From the reaction of the lab assistant and numbers I saw at other sources this seems very high. (">50 positive" is shown on the report).

Will not go for any more stuff if the Omicron news don't change (and suspect I had it after New Year, three days of sore throat and cough).

[KhunBENQ]

7 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

There are some more side effects of mRNA vaccines, by the way:

Wonder whether people taking medication study the lists are eagerly as with the Covid vax.

 

An anti vaxxer/Covid denier told me some time ago that he had a bad stomach/diarrhea from food poisoning. Pharmacy gave him some pills (he had no idea what it was).

He told me the name.

A fluoroquinolone antibiotic!!! Stuff that can cripple you for lifetime with only one pill (category rare side effects).

Edited February 8, 2022 by KhunBENQ

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

However the latest evidence suggests natural infection is greater than the vaccines, e.g. CDC recently admitting that they got it wrong, i.e. to mandate vaccines for those that got natural infection.

You misunderstood me, like i misunderstood you. Many say natural infection was the best but even that does not protect you. So if natural infection does not protect you vaccines are not great either.  So looks like covid is here to stay. Only good thing is that it has become omicron. But its a bit scary as many get long covid. i don't worry about getting covid, just about long covid. 

[IAMHERE]

1 hour ago, Wuvu2 said:

I got a Moderna booster (after Pfizer/Pfizer) at MedPark on Feb 5. They did not offer me any options ;-(

Was it in the muscle ?  Do you think it was the full dose or a half dose?

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, rbkk said:

Most importantly, surely, is which of the options (All?) is recognized internationally for travel and will be shown and accepted overseas on the Intervac Vaccine Certificate issued by the Thailand Dept. Health.

Most important is what the manufacturer says what it is designed to do and method of injection.

What has the destination of travel got to do with anything?

[Jack Cook]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I was not talking about deaths im talking about hospitalization. I think 8 or more times less chance to get in a hospital is not a little. It was the a little worse that I had a problem with. Maybe you did not mean it that way but so many seem to make light of Covid that im a bit sensitive to it at times. Sorry if you did not mean it that way.

Yeah right. Tell

that to the Israelis who have lined up for their 4th shot. What research and misinformation are you referring to?