Ssssnake ID anyone?

[Crossy]

1.30AM and the dogs decided it would be a good time to alert Mummy and Daddy to the presence of an intruder.

 

This chap was relaxing in the outdoor kitchen, completely ignoring the frantic barking yapping of our two rotties chihuahuas.

 

He was persuaded to depart back into the jungle we laughingly call a "garden" where I'm sure he will find somewhere to hide and lots of rats / frogs etc. to eat.

 

Anyone ID him? Sorry not the best of photos (did I say it was 1.30AM?).

 

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Crossy said:

1.30AM and the dogs decided it would be a good time to alert Mummy and Daddy to the presence of an intruder.

Yea I heard them,????

Which is why I am replying at your thread at 4:45 am , could you please return my shoe I threw over your fence to get them to shut up?  LOL

Seriously, I have no idea what  snake it is , It looks like a rat snake (harmless I am told) , and from the shape of its head I would say it is not poisonous.  But I would stay away from it anyway since I know little about snakes other that to run away from them. ???? 

[HighPriority]

As above, if an Aussie nope rope I’d be guessing at a python type, but I know even less about Thai ropes.

[Hummin]

Harmless Sunbeam snake 

 

Harmless doesn't mean they will not bite you if handled, just mean will not kill you!

 

https://www.thainationalparks.com/species/xenopeltis-unicolor

[Crossy]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Harmless Sunbeam snake 

 

Could well be, he definitely exhibited the "rattler" behaviour when disappearing behind the bin (from the linked page) "They also observed to vibrate their tails as if in a rattlesnake fashion when they feel threatened."

 

We are fine with most snakes except cobras (which we see very few of), provided they stick to their domain (the garden) and stay out of ours (the house). We see mostly Golden Tree Snakes, a couple of types of the green tree snakes and one or two Laotian Wolf Snakes (not to be confused with the Banded Krait).

 

 

[sezze]

Looks like she just eaten 5 of your chihuahua's , that's a fat snake .

[Hummin]

11 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

Could well be, he definitely exhibited the "rattler" behaviour when disappearing behind the bin (from the linked page) "They also observed to vibrate their tails as if in a rattlesnake fashion when they feel threatened."

 

We are fine with most snakes except cobras (which we see very few of), provided they stick to their domain (the garden) and stay out of ours (the house). We see mostly Golden Tree Snakes, a couple of types of the green tree snakes and one or two Laoatian Wolf Snakes (not to be confused with the Banded Krait).

 

 

Anyway, not an snake expert, so hope everyone reading readers  I'd here on ASEAN, do not try to handle snakes they do not know, or without experience.

 

 

[Crossy]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Anyway, not an snake expert, so hope everyone reading readers  I'd here on ASEAN, do not try to handle snakes they do not know, or without experience.

 

Definitely ^^^

 

Treat all snakes as venomous (no that doesn't mean kill them!) unless you are certain you know what they are, and even then ...

 

[sezze]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Anyway, not an snake expert, so hope everyone reading readers  I'd here on ASEAN, do not try to handle snakes they do not know, or without experience.

 

 

I think most people don't try it . I am not scared of snakes , but i do respect them , meaning , keep distance and leave them alone when possible .

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, sezze said:

I think most people don't try it . I am not scared of snakes , but i do respect them , meaning , keep distance and leave them alone when possible .

Most try to kill them, and thats when they most likely will be bit

Edited February 9, 2022 by Hummin

[MartinL]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Harmless Sunbeam snake 

 

Harmless doesn't mean they will not bite you if handled, just mean will not kill you!

 

https://www.thainationalparks.com/species/xenopeltis-unicolor

Agree. That was the first thing I googled when I saw Crossy's picture. 

[carlyai]

We get a few snakes and I'm sure when I eventually clean up my storeroom area one will get me.

Was sitting by the pool and one came up to the pool, did a bellyflopper into the pool then up and out the other side. Really can move on water.

[Crossy]

20 minutes ago, carlyai said:

Really can move on water.

 

Golden Tree Snakes can fly (ok glide) too! I tell you, you're not safe from Hissing Sid anywhere!

 

I didn't recognise our new friend hence my posting here, but I suspect he's been resident for some time. On several occasions I've caught glimpses of something fairly large moving through the leaf litter around the edge of the garden. If he's assisting the cat in keeping the rat population down he's welcome to stay.

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

Golden Tree Snakes can fly (ok glide) too, I tell you, you're not safe from Hissing Sid anywhere!

 

I didn't recognise our new friend hence my posting here, but I suspect he's been resident for a some time. On several occasions I've caught glimpses of something fairly large moving through the leaf litter around the edge of the garden. If he's assisting the cat in keeping the rat population down he's welcome to stay.

We have one sunbeam or more (most likely) around the pond, several rice paddy's, wolf snake, about 2m rat snake, only seen one golden tree snake the last 2 years, never seen a cobra, No vipers, or any other lethal snakes here I live. I know there is pythons since we found some young ones in our building materials when we started out here. 

 

My cat love the chase the rat snake and pinch his tail ????

Edited February 9, 2022 by Hummin

[thaisail]

For a really fast ID, contact the FB group "Snakes of Issan". There you will find the most knowlegeble snake ID experts!

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1076644525809817/

[Crossy]

33 minutes ago, thaisail said:

For a really fast ID, contact the FB group "Snakes of Issan". There you will find the most knowlegeble snake ID experts!

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1076644525809817/

 

Yup, a very fast response from them confirming he's a Sunbeam Snake (งูแสงอาทิตย์).

An excellent group!

 

Note they also have several parallel groups for different regions in Thailand https://www.facebook.com/groups/2004459626509147/ is for Bangkok.

[1FinickyOne]

2 hours ago, Crossy said:

Treat all snakes as venomous (no that doesn't mean kill them!)

unless you have young children

[chilly07]

Believe Thais call this a Coconut Snake. Harmless and beautiful.

[Hummin]

18 minutes ago, chilly07 said:

Believe Thais call this a Coconut Snake. Harmless and beautiful.

Golden treesnakes are often found in coconut trees, and therefor also called coconut snakes by locals

[bankruatsteve]

We had a snake looking a lot like that slither across our patio and park in front of the aquarium.  My wife was screaming at me to kill it and just when I went to grab she lifts up and fanned her hood at me.  Looking at pictures it seems to have been a black cobra and common in Thailand.  BTW: my wife beat the cr@p out of it and tossed in the vacant lot next door.  Never did get a photo.

[Crossy]

8 minutes ago, bankruatsteve said:

We had a snake looking a lot like that slither across our patio and park in front of the aquarium.

 

This is always the problem with snakes, many of them look similar (long and thin) and making a mistake can be deadly (mistake a Banded Krait for a Laotian Wolf Snake and see how long you last!).

 

Our friend was totally unperturbed by the attentions of the dogs and when I "persuaded" him with a long piece of PVC pipe that was to hand he simply ambled (can snakes amble) behind the bin and vanished into the garden.

 

As noted before, always assume it's venomous even if you are "sure" it's not. Better safe than sorry!

[Hummin]

11 minutes ago, bankruatsteve said:

We had a snake looking a lot like that slither across our patio and park in front of the aquarium.  My wife was screaming at me to kill it and just when I went to grab she lifts up and fanned her hood at me.  Looking at pictures it seems to have been a black cobra and common in Thailand.  BTW: my wife beat the cr@p out of it and tossed in the vacant lot next door.  Never did get a photo.

Id have been confirmed by one of the mods in Isan snake pages on fb. Same snake as I posted link to, a Sunbeam snake,  a harmless snake. 

if you can not id a snake, give it room, and let it go. Snakes do not like humans or threatning animals, but will defend itself if someone come to close, and or they do not have any places to escape. 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Hummin

[Wavel]

Ngo Sing = Rat Snake aroy mak

[Crossy]

18 minutes ago, Wavel said:

Ngo Sing = Rat Snake aroy mak

 

He's been positively identified as a Sunbeam Snake, but his demeanour  when being "persuaded" had me thinking he was a rat snake, it was the "rattler" tail shake that confirmed it for me and the Snakes of Isaan Facebore group concured.

[Thingamabob]

Looks like a sunbeam to me. As with most snakes good to have around for rodent control. Very few snakes are dangerous if left alone. Some even make good pets.

[CharlieH]

Dont usually get much trouble with them until recently. Used to be maybe 3- 4 a year but recently had 2 in  two weeks. REDNECK KEELBACK this specie has proven to be deadly apparently.

We have 2 young kids here, so the snakes were dispatched on sight ! 

Still trying to figure out why the upsurge of such a venomous ceature.

Lucky we have 2 terriers here that cornered the last one and alerted me.

[Hummin]

10 hours ago, CharlieH said:

Dont usually get much trouble with them until recently. Used to be maybe 3- 4 a year but recently had 2 in  two weeks. REDNECK KEELBACK this specie has proven to be deadly apparently.

 

Redneck kelback one of my favorite beautiful snakes I forgot to mention we had here. 
 

A rear fanged snake that you have to let chew on you when biting to give you a lethal dose. 
 

A very easy snake to kill unfortunate, and very few incidents with this snake, where they have been playong with them, and also let them chew on them for some reason. 
 

I understand the fear when you have kids around, but still, this snake will not be a treath to the kids, unless they play with them and also chew on the kid. 
 

Another non aggressive snake unless cornered. Also easy to remove with snake hooks
 

https://thailandsnakes.com/venomous/rear-fanged/red-necked-keelback-venomous-mildly-dangerous/

[Road Warrior]

run or chop it head off 

[Crossy]

7 minutes ago, Road Warrior said:

run or chop it head off 

 

Why? It wasn't being agressive towards the dogs. And he has turned out to be a non-venomous constrictor. AFAIK it's still in the garden hopefully chomping down on a juicy rat or ten.

 

If it was being agressive and a possible danger then maybe it would have had a different fate.

[tomazbodner]

On 2/9/2022 at 7:53 AM, Crossy said:

I didn't recognise our new friend hence my posting here, but I suspect he's been resident for some time.

Did you do TM30 reporting for him?