Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Virt]

4 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Reports on Telegram suggest Russian warship “Moskva” has capsized. The information is being verified.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/13/russian-attacks-on-ukraines-kharkiv-escalating-mayor-says-liveblog

Maybe Russia can sell it to Thailand as a submarine...

 

Besides that, it's incredible if it were really two Ukrainian Neptune missiles that caused the fire/explosion.

I saw some videos a while back of what kind of defense and attack systems that ship has, and it's amazing if one or two Neptune managed to bypass those defense systems.

Neptune missiles that are based on older Russian missiles.

A bit ironic.

 

It's going to be one sad may 9 parade for the Russian fleet......

 

A huge prestige loss for Russia

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, Virt said:

Maybe Russia can sell it to Thailand as a submarine...

 

Besides that, it's incredible if it were really two Ukrainian Neptune missiles that caused the fire/explosion.

I saw some videos a while back of what kind of defense and attack systems that ship has, and it's amazing if one or two Neptune managed to bypass those defense systems.

Neptune missiles that are based on older Russian missiles.

A bit ironic.

 

It's going to be one sad may 9 parade for the Russian fleet......

 

A huge prestige loss for Russia

Hopefully it will be a Maybe NOT Victory day parade in Moscow.

 

I wonder what happens to Putin if he can't sell a credible victory narrative by that date.

 

Of course its a given he will lie at trumpian levels so probably reality doesn't matter.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Chris.B said:

...and China is rapidly building a second. 

They are welcome to build as many targets as they want, as no one is threatening them at present. Aircraft carriers are the new Capital ships when it comes to projecting power during peace time, as the Americans learned long ago.

During a war they just become a very large target. Missiles have changed warfare significantly, as the Exocet proved against the British navy in the Falklands.

[heybruce]

21 minutes ago, Virt said:

Maybe Russia can sell it to Thailand as a submarine...

 

Besides that, it's incredible if it were really two Ukrainian Neptune missiles that caused the fire/explosion.

I saw some videos a while back of what kind of defense and attack systems that ship has, and it's amazing if one or two Neptune managed to bypass those defense systems.

Neptune missiles that are based on older Russian missiles.

A bit ironic.

 

It's going to be one sad may 9 parade for the Russian fleet......

 

A huge prestige loss for Russia

Two possibilities:

 

The defense systems on the ship weren't as good as advertised.

 

The people operating the defense systems were incompetent.

 

Of course both could be correct.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

"A patrol boat armed with one may be able to sink anything afloat."

 

Hmmmm.....I'm pretty sure the US Navy would have thought about this before spending trillions on their fleet of surface ships.

See my post addressing this.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, VocalNeal said:

????I believe they have experience of anti-shipping missiles?

Indeed they do, from the Falklands.

[Virt]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Two possibilities:

 

The defense systems on the ship weren't as good as advertised.

 

The people operating the defense systems were incompetent.

 

Of course both could be correct.

The Russian version are even more embarrassing.

It was a fire onboard that caused the ammunition to blow up.

 

That's Russian incompetence at highest level if it's true.

 

No matter what happened it's good that is out of business.

[Chris.B]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They are welcome to build as many targets as they want, as no one is threatening them at present. Aircraft carriers are the new Capital ships when it comes to projecting power during peace time, as the Americans learned long ago.

During a war they just become a very large target. Missiles have changed warfare significantly, as the Exocet proved against the British navy in the Falklands.

 Haha, You are quoting a military engagement from 40 years ago in support of your theories. I think you know little about military/naval matters.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

 Haha, You are quoting a military engagement from 40 years ago in support of your theories. I think you know little about military/naval matters.

 

Probably as much as you do.

[Chris.B]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Probably as much as you do.

I am not making the ridiculous claims which you are. ????

 

[Bkk Brian]

32 minutes ago, Virt said:

The Russian version are even more embarrassing.

It was a fire onboard that caused the ammunition to blow up.

 

That's Russian incompetence at highest level if it's true.

 

No matter what happened it's good that is out of business.

Maybe Zelensky had a premonition....................

 

An interesting detail — yesterday, the Postal service of #Ukraine️ presented a new series of postage stamps “Russian warship, go <deleted> yourself”. And guess what? The ship in the picture is Russian missile cruiser #Moskva, the Black Sea Fleet flagship that was destroyed today.

 

[sammieuk1]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe Zelensky had a premonition....................

 

An interesting detail — yesterday, the Postal service of #Ukraine️ presented a new series of postage stamps “Russian warship, go <deleted> yourself”. And guess what? The ship in the picture is Russian missile cruiser #Moskva, the Black Sea Fleet flagship that was destroyed today.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

 

Fake news, he will resurface it soon and provide the evidence

Image source

 

[Jingthing]

32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe Zelensky had a premonition....................

 

An interesting detail — yesterday, the Postal service of #Ukraine️ presented a new series of postage stamps “Russian warship, go <deleted> yourself”. And guess what? The ship in the picture is Russian missile cruiser #Moskva, the Black Sea Fleet flagship that was destroyed today.

 

Zelinsky has Chutzpah (Americanism not Yiddish meaning) on steroids.

[RJRS1301]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Zelinsky has Chutzpah (Americanism not Yiddish meaning) on steroids.

Putin ain't gonna like that one.

Be great to get some postmarked from Ukraine 

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They are welcome to build as many targets as they want, as no one is threatening them at present. Aircraft carriers are the new Capital ships when it comes to projecting power during peace time, as the Americans learned long ago.

During a war they just become a very large target. Missiles have changed warfare significantly, as the Exocet proved against the British navy in the Falklands.

You're being rather simplistic in your assessment.  The US Navy just to put to sea its newest class of aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford.  In wartime, it will be part of a carrier battle group.  Nothing will get near it.  One carrier BG can incinerate all of Russia within a matter of minutes.  So if you think the US Navy is just building a fleet of "targets," I beg to differ.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They are welcome to build as many targets as they want, as no one is threatening them at present. Aircraft carriers are the new Capital ships when it comes to projecting power during peace time, as the Americans learned long ago.

During a war they just become a very large target. Missiles have changed warfare significantly, as the Exocet proved against the British navy in the Falklands.

But in your biased haste you omit to say that the British carriers were successfully protected in the Falklands.

 

And it's Royal Navy ... not British navy.

Edited April 14, 2022 by nauseus

[RJRS1301]

The Hague-based International Criminal Court, which deals with human rights abuses, has investigators in Ukraine right now. Those investigators have declared the country a “crime scene” – two words that should send shivers down Mr Putin’s spine.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-declared-crime-scene-by-international-criminal-court-investigators/news-story/c1f4a9b255e5bef7b3555234466e7678

[Slip]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given advanced anti ship missile systems entire surface navies may have become obsolete. A patrol boat armed with one may be able to sink anything afloat.

I'm sure the British will be observing with great interest given they have spent so much to build 2 floating targets.

It seems unlikely that the British have any interest in your strawman arguments.

[2 is 1]

18 hours ago, tgw said:

nope, S-400 is a Russian SAM system.

allegedly very performant.

this keeps being repeated over and over, so I begin to have doubts about that system being so effective.

Yeah you correct, same what i think is delivered to Turkey. Our General was here in finland  making only joke about it. Anyway who never want to attck in Russia? What get from there? Vodka and bad dance!

 

 

Edited April 14, 2022 by 2 is 1

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, 2 is 1 said:

Yeah you correct, same what i think is delivered to Turkey. Our General was here in finland  making only joke about it. Anyway who never want to attck in Russia? What get from there? Vodka and bad dance!

 

 

More Chelsea fans with too much time on their hands. 

Edited April 14, 2022 by nauseus

[Bkk Brian]

This was published on the 10th April, good insight from the journalist. ????

 

Ukraine Will Easily Destroy or Sideline Russia’s Navy with Game-Changing Anti-Ship Missiles

 

For most of these systems, many, perhaps even all, of Russia’s twenty remaining large warships in the region—including Russia’s most powerful naval ship, the Slava class cruiser Moskva—are well within striking range from Ukrainian-controlled territory.

 

Just twenty anti-ship missiles and their accompanying systems could wipe out all of Russia’s big warships in the Black Sea and Sea of Azov. 

 

If (and hopefully when) Neptunes can be eventually deployed, a large portion of the entire Black Sea, including both the west and east coasts of Russian-occupied Crimea—where many of Russia’s naval vessels are based and resupplied—as well as the Sea of Azov, would be vulnerable. 

 

https://realcontextnews.com/ukraine-will-easily-or-destroy-or-sideline-russias-navy-with-game-changing-anti-ship-missiles/#

[tgw]

2 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Yeah you correct, same what i think is delivered to Turkey. Our General was here in finland  making only joke about it. Anyway who never want to attck in Russia? What get from there? Vodka and bad dance!

 

 

seeing that video, I am now worried about sunflower seed supply for the gopniks.

[tgw]

Russia's latest attempt at humour:

Russia opens criminal cases into alleged torture of its soldiers by Ukraine

“Russians were subjected to physical violence and torture in order to force them to give false explanations about the actual conditions of their illegal detention on the premises of the Security Service of Ukraine, as well as on (Russia’s) special military operation,” it said in a statement.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/13/russian-attacks-on-ukraines-kharkiv-escalating-mayor-says-liveblog

 

????

[tgw]

Damaged Russian warship is afloat, Pentagon says, amid conflicting reports from Ukraine and Russia

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“This is their flagship, the ‘Moscow,’ and they’ve now been forced to admit that it’s been badly damaged,” Sullivan continued. “And they’ve had to kind of choose between two stories. One story is that it was just incompetence, and the other is that they came under attack. And neither is a particularly good outcome for them.”

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-14-22/index.html

 

Although these news caused me slight disappointment, I think there is a third possible cause for the fire: sabotage. that would be worse than incompetence or act of war.

 

 

Edited April 14, 2022 by tgw

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, tgw said:

Russia's latest attempt at humour:

Russia opens criminal cases into alleged torture of its soldiers by Ukraine

“Russians were subjected to physical violence and torture in order to force them to give false explanations about the actual conditions of their illegal detention on the premises of the Security Service of Ukraine, as well as on (Russia’s) special military operation,” it said in a statement.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/13/russian-attacks-on-ukraines-kharkiv-escalating-mayor-says-liveblog

 

????

Wait, so Russia carried out an illegal attack on a sovereign country, raped women and children before executing them, killed 1,000's of other civilians, flattened infrastructure including over 100 or so hospitals and health facilities, left active crime scenes in their path and now...............

 

I find it just a little ironic, they are opening a criminal case because their soldiers were allegedly forced to give false explanations about the "Special Operation" in the real world unprovoked attack which also happens to be illegal.

[Bkk Brian]

Just one more example of the victims who lost their lives to the barbarian non human scum

 

There were those who refused to believe the story about Karina, who was raped and then shot to death by Russian soldiers in Bucha. The Telegraph has attended her funeral and interviewed her mother, putting all Russian lies to rest.

 

The family moved from the Donbas to Irpin in 2014 to escape Russian aggression. Photos of Karina’s body shows that she has defensive wounds from trying to protect herself, but also show that she was tortured before her death. Source: The Telegraph

 

“We hate them. We’re from the Donetsk region where almost all people speak Russian, but I hate the Russians because they killed a Russian-speaking girl. Now, I’m ashamed to speak Russian because I hate the Russian world.   The Russian soldiers aren’t humans. They are animals”.

 

Paywall

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/13/stopped-wife-opening-mutilated-daughters-coffin-protect-even/

 

Also in the Daily Mail

 

Tortured Ukrainian woman, 23, who was 'raped and shot in the head' by Putin's soldiers had 'tears and wounds' all over with most fingernails missing 'like she had been trying to fight', her devastated Russian-speaking parents reveal. 

 

Karina Yershova's body was found mutilated after she had been tortured, with her nails, apart from one, being torn from her fingers.

 

Karina was allegedly raped, shot in the back of the head, and dumped by Russian soldiers in a backyard in the town of Bucha, where more than 400 bodies were found after Russian forces withdrew earlier this month. 'She was shot at point blank range. Almost half of her head was missing,' Andrii said.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10718279/Tortured-Ukrainian-woman-23-raped-shot-Putins-soldiers-tears-wounds.html

 

 

 

 

 

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wait, so Russia carried out an illegal attack on a sovereign country, raped women and children before executing them, killed 1,000's of other civilians, flattened infrastructure including over 100 or so hospitals and health facilities, left active crime scenes in their path and now...............

 

I find it just a little ironic, they are opening a criminal case because their soldiers were allegedly forced to give false explanations about the "Special Operation" in the real world unprovoked attack which also happens to be illegal.

I particularly noted the Russians take exception in the "illegal detention" of their soldiers orcs by Ukrainian security services.

It can't get much more ridiculous than that.

Edited April 14, 2022 by tgw

[Slip]

16 minutes ago, tgw said:

I particularly noted the Russians take exception in the "illegal detention" of their soldiers orcs by Ukrainian security services.

It can't get much more ridiculous than that.

Today I saw Larov or whatever his name is (Russian govt propagandist/ foreign minister?) complaining about 'cancel culture'.  If ever there is evidence that the far right in our societies needs to be curtailed that is it. 

[tgw]

Russian officials allege cross-border strikes by Ukrainian forces amid threat of retaliation by Moscow 

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-14-22/index.html

 

wow ...

Russia wants to retaliate ... I wonder how bad it will be ? would they even start a war ???