Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[RJRS1301]

Just now, Mavideol said:

while Vlad is having a good time 555

Putin 'flees to secret palace' amid shocking new mobilisation claim

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-flees-to-secret-palace-shocking-new-mobilisation-claim-014846799.html

Not very secret really, how many hundreds of thousands across the globe knew about this "secret palace" yonks ago?

[BarraMarra]

23 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Apparently Putin is going to try to do what Stalin did in WWII: throw massive numbers of soldiers into the battle and win just by sheer numbers. But the sentiment back then was completely different, as it was clear to all Russians that the very existence of Russia was at stake if they didn’t manage to defeat the Germans, so the willingness to fight and possibly die for the motherland was very high.

This time around, it is all about the megalomania of Putin and his clique of fascists, and it’s quite obvious that the willingness to fight is not exactly there, as we witness many Russians fleeing their country so as not to become cannon fodder. 

You can't step into a Boxing ring without the skills to Box you will be knocked out immediately. Throwing conscripts into a war zone with little experience mm little wonder the Russians are running away to avoid the call up. 

[rudi49jr]

6 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

You can't step into a Boxing ring without the skills to Box you will be knocked out immediately. Throwing conscripts into a war zone with little experience mm little wonder the Russians are running away to avoid the call up. 

Apparently some of the conscripts still receive some sort of training first, but it seems that most of them are shipped off to the front right away and thrown to the lions. 

[bannork]

 

An interesting view on how Ukraine can win the war.

 

 

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1 hour ago, bannork said:

 

An interesting view on how Ukraine can win the war.

 

 

I didn't watch the whole thing but Idisagree with his contention that  because there will be a million more Russians to face, that will necessarily entail higher ukrainian casualties. There's going to be a million more Russian soldiers with very low morale and very little training. It seems more likely that they will depress morale even further and when they come under fire I think they'll run for it or surrender. It takes a lot of training to pound at least some of the fear out of a recruit and replace it with knowledge.

[rudi49jr]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There's going to be a million more Russian soldiers with very low morale and very little training.

You forgot to mention badly equipped, with rusty rifles. There are videos on Twitter of Russian guys showing the weapon they received to go and fight with, and it’s ludicrous.
Reminds me a little of what happened in WWII, when apparently only one in three Russian soldiers had a rifle/gun, but they were all forced to advance anyway, giving a whole new meaning to the term ‘cannon fodder’. And they had to advance no matter what, otherwise they would be executed by KGB officers coming right behind them. 

[jvs]

43 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I didn't watch the whole thing but Idisagree with his contention that  because there will be a million more Russians to face, that will necessarily entail higher ukrainian casualties. There's going to be a million more Russian soldiers with very low morale and very little training. It seems more likely that they will depress morale even further and when they come under fire I think they'll run for it or surrender. It takes a lot of training to pound at least some of the fear out of a recruit and replace it with knowledge.

I watch Jakes videos and mostly agree with him but also in this case

it will all depend on what happens when the new soldiers are being deployed.

Will they all start running towards Ukrainian soldiers throwing rocks

or are they just ready to surrender en masse?

With a few 100 000 badly equipped soldiers moving towards the front will the Ukrainian soldiers just blast them away?

My bet is on massive internal Russian unrest in combination with too much pressure on the little P man.

So far an average of 500 dead russian soldiers a day?This could multiply very fast in the next few weeks.Two weeks of training is not going to do a lot of good.

 

[stevenl]

12 minutes ago, jvs said:

I watch Jakes videos and mostly agree with him but also in this case

it will all depend on what happens when the new soldiers are being deployed.

Will they all start running towards Ukrainian soldiers throwing rocks

or are they just ready to surrender en masse?

With a few 100 000 badly equipped soldiers moving towards the front will the Ukrainian soldiers just blast them away?

My bet is on massive internal Russian unrest in combination with too much pressure on the little P man.

So far an average of 500 dead russian soldiers a day?This could multiply very fast in the next few weeks.Two weeks of training is not going to do a lot of good.

 

One can only hope. The only solution to this lies within Russia.

[Bkk Brian]

Nuclear doctrine would apply to annexed areas 

 

Lavrov pledges 'full protection' for any territory annexed by Russia

After a possible annexation of the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions of Ukraine, the Russian nuclear doctrine would also apply to the annexed areas. This was stated by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the UN in New York. The doctrine justifies a nuclear strike in response to an attack that "threatens the continued existence of the state." 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lavrov-un-pledges-full-protection-any-territory-annexed-by-russia-2022-09-24/

 

Or as NATO would put it, Use a nuke, get a nuke back in your face.

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nuclear doctrine would apply to annexed areas 

 

Lavrov pledges 'full protection' for any territory annexed by Russia

After a possible annexation of the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions of Ukraine, the Russian nuclear doctrine would also apply to the annexed areas. This was stated by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the UN in New York. The doctrine justifies a nuclear strike in response to an attack that "threatens the continued existence of the state." 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lavrov-un-pledges-full-protection-any-territory-annexed-by-russia-2022-09-24/

 

Or as NATO would put it, Use a nuke, get a nuke back in your face.

It seems a certainty Ukraine will attempt to regain the by Russia annexed territory. So let's hope a nuke attack is required before Russia attacks with a nuke.

[rudi49jr]

Uh-oh, important people are starting to get worried: Russian lawmakers express concern over Putin’s mobilization drive.
 

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/09/25/Russian-lawmakers-express-concern-over-Putin-s-mobilization-drive

[bannork]

 

 

[BarraMarra]

If any members have watched a good film Enemy at the Gates there is a scene wher a commanding officer in the Russian army fighting for Stalingrad yells anyone running away will be shot. Never caught the full news item but i got any Troops not wanting to fight will be dealt with severely. Wonder how they will feel facing battle-hardened Ukrainian forces.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

If any members have watched a good film Enemy at the Gates there is a scene wher a commanding officer in the Russian army fighting for Stalingrad yells anyone running away will be shot. Never caught the full news item but i got any Troops not wanting to fight will be dealt with severely. Wonder how they will feel facing battle-hardened Ukrainian forces.

That movie also has a scene where any Russians trying to retreat were machine gunned. They were only given one rifle between ( I think ) 2 soldiers, so the one behind picked up the rifle after the first was shot.

[BarraMarra]

Correct Thaibeach. Just think if your a conscript in Luhansk your comrade could be a homicidal serial killer jailed for life mm could you trust him to have your back.

[BarraMarra]

Sean Pinnar and Aid Aslin two of the Brits who faced the firing squad for fighting for Ukraine and were captured at Mariupol have given interviews where they claimed they were beaten and had Electrical shocks applied to them. Another crime against the Geneva Convention committed by Russian forces.

[rudi49jr]

Tatyana Dotsenko, the wife of a 45-year-old man who was mobilized reveals shocking details about the mobilization. Her husband had called and told her that his entire group of over 1,000 men had received just one day of training and was then sent straight to the front. They had not had any kind of medical examination.

 

https://dailyfrancenews.com/russia-desperately-tries-to-sell-its-war-design-for-ukraine-as-civilians-flee/

[Bkk Brian]

Looks like the forced Russian government draft vacation to Ukraine is going well.....................lol

 

This from the Russian correspondent from the Guardian

 

Video of a Russian man opening fire and killing the military commandant in a draft centre in the city of Úst-Ilimsk in Irkutsk region. The military commandant was the head of the local draft committee. He has died, according to reports.

[jvs]

More good news!

According to a major Dutch newspaper the Republic of Kazackstan

has said they will not support Russia in the annexation of Ukrainian land.

"The territorial integrity and the sovereignty of other countries should be respected"

Another dent in the little skull.

[BarraMarra]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Looks like the forced Russian government draft vacation to Ukraine is going well.....................lol

 

This from the Russian correspondent from the Guardian

 

Video of a Russian man opening fire and killing the military commandant in a draft centre in the city of Úst-Ilimsk in Irkutsk region. The military commandant was the head of the local draft committee. He has died, according to reports.

Ha shoot them before they shoot you

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Sean Pinnar and Aid Aslin two of the Brits who faced the firing squad for fighting for Ukraine and were captured at Mariupol have given interviews where they claimed they were beaten and had Electrical shocks applied to them. Another crime against the Geneva Convention committed by Russian forces.

'WAR CRIMINAL' Police investigate pro-Putin Brit who taunted Ukraine PoWs in videos following their capture

The Met’s War Crimes Team are probing YouTube propagandist Graham Phillips, who interrogated Aiden and accused him of being a mercenary.

Phillips, 43, originally from Nottingham, uploaded his 44-minute verbal assault of handcuffed Aiden, 28, who was injured and distressed in jail in Donetsk, eastern Ukraine.

MPs said he breached the Geneva Convention which bars filming designed to “humiliate” PoWs.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19916788/police-investigate-pro-putin-brit-ukraine-pows/

[Bkk Brian]

BREAKING: Eyewitnesses and local sources report that the Russian military has arrived at the border with Georgia and are starting to set up a checkpoint. This is reportedly to stop the outflow of military age men

[tgw]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

BREAKING: Eyewitnesses and local sources report that the Russian military has arrived at the border with Georgia and are starting to set up a checkpoint. This is reportedly to stop the outflow of military age men

if they want this checkpoint to last, they will have brought some heavy vehicles and at least a company of infantry.

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, tgw said:

if they want this checkpoint to last, they will have brought some heavy vehicles and at least a company of infantry.

I'm not sure they've got the resources left to cover all their borders.

 

HELSINKI (Reuters) - Almost 17,000 Russians crossed the border into Finland during the weekend, an 80% rise from a week earlier, Finnish authorities said on Monday, as the influx of people continued in the wake of Russia's announcement of military mobilisation.

 

Meduza: Russia to ban men of conscription age from leaving country on Sept. 28

[candide]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Looks like the forced Russian government draft vacation to Ukraine is going well.....................lol

 

This from the Russian correspondent from the Guardian

 

Video of a Russian man opening fire and killing the military commandant in a draft centre in the city of Úst-Ilimsk in Irkutsk region. The military commandant was the head of the local draft committee. He has died, according to reports.

There may be more cases like this one on the frontline. Officers may be more likely to be killed by their own troops who don't want to die, rather than by the enemy.

[Bkk Brian]

Lost the plot completely these Russians

 

US and Nato will not intervene in event of nuclear strike, claims Dmitry Medvedev

Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev has raised the possibility of a nuclear strike on Ukraine, saying that the U.S.-led military alliance NATO would still stay out of the conflict for fear of a nuclear apocalypse.

 

"I believe that NATO would not directly interfere in the conflict even in this scenario," Medvedev said. "The demagogues across the ocean and in Europe are not going to die in a nuclear apocalypse."

 

Medvedev's comments come as Russia prepares to annex large swathes of Ukrainian territory after referendums in Russian-controlled regions in Ukraine. Ukraine and the West have denounced the votes as an illegal sham.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/27/ukraine-news-russia-war-latest-putin-mobilisation-referendum/

 

Also reported in the rag TASS in more detail and lies

[rudi49jr]

Russians fleeing to Kazachstan in big numbers: “almost 100,000 have crossed the border since the mobilization announcement.”

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/kazakhstan-struggles-accommodate-russians-fleeing-war-2022-09-27/

 

 

[ballpoint]

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Russians fleeing to Kazachstan in big numbers: “almost 100,000 have crossed the border since the mobilization announcement.”

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/kazakhstan-struggles-accommodate-russians-fleeing-war-2022-09-27/

 

 

Arm them and send them back.

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[Bkk Brian]

Russia's top propagandists on State TV, Vladimir Solovyov & Margarita Simonyan (Head of R.T. News) are furious about the chaotic mobilization. 

 

Putin's top propagandists panic about mobilization problems

 

In another segment of the show Solovyov then reveals he got call up papers himself....????

 

Margarita Simonyan replies there should be enough pedos and perverts in our country to fill this massive number

 

 

Solovyov gets drafted and goes crazy. (twitter video)

https://twitter.com/R82938886/status/1574865224108220423