Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[rudi49jr]

41 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

It's a closed thread mate,don't even bother.

 

Reasonable arguments are welcome here. Mindless support for a fascist regime, however, will be called out. 

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Russia is winning and will eventually win this war.

with a little bit of luck I "eventually" make it to the moon

[AndyFoxy]

53 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Reasonable arguments are welcome here. Mindless support for a fascist regime, however, will be called out. 

What are you main sources of information about this war, bro?

[Bkk Brian]

More good news. Oil sanctions now biting.

 

Russia's Oil Revenue Sinks as Sanctions Bite – IEA

Russia's oil export revenue sank 42% in February as Western powers tightened sanctions on the country in the wake of the Ukraine war, the International Energy Agency said on Wednesday.

The country earned $11.6 billion from its oil exports last month after the European Union imposed a ban on Russian petroleum products alongside a price cap agreed with the Group of Seven and Australia, according to the IEA.

This was down from $14.3 billion in January and a 42% drop from $20 billion in February last year.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/03/15/russias-oil-revenue-sinks-as-sanctions-bite-iea-a80491

[rudi49jr]

22 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

What are you main sources of information about this war, bro?

I could ask you the same thing, pal.
 

But since you asked: my main sources of information are quite varied, many of them what you would call main stream media. Also (since I’m Dutch) quite a few Dutch newspapers and websites. 

[onthedarkside]

Trolling post and reply removed. 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

What are you main sources of information about this war, bro?

Seems to me that certain posters have been thinking the western propaganda is fact.

Can't remember how many times we've been told that the Russians are going to run out of ammunition/ missiles etc, the troops were going to mutiny, the Russian economy is collapsing and other such like wishful thinking.

 

It is possible to look at the situation objectively without being a Putin sympathizer, but for some it's not enough unless posting about orcs and suchlike.

 

[rudi49jr]

56 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems to me that certain posters have been thinking the western propaganda is fact.

Can't remember how many times we've been told that the Russians are going to run out of ammunition/ missiles etc, the troops were going to mutiny, the Russian economy is collapsing and other such like wishful thinking.

 

It is possible to look at the situation objectively without being a Putin sympathizer, but for some it's not enough unless posting about orcs and suchlike.

 

Seems to me some posters here watch RT a little too much and swallow all the ridiculous garbage they spew as fact.
Of course it’s possible to look at certain situations objectively, but when you’re dealing with a lunatic delusional dictator in charge of a fascist homicidal regime that wants to pretty much eradicate a whole country and its people, objectivity tends to go out the window, as far as I’m concerned.

Russia needs to be called out for what it is. Putin and his regime need to be called out for what they are. So excuse me for not pussyfooting around and calling a spade a spade. The Russians are behaving exactly like the nazi’s did in WWII, so calling them Orcs is more than justified. If I said what I really think about Putin and Russia I’d be banned for life from this forum, so I’ll stick to calling them Orcs (and suchlike) and leave it at that, okay?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, rudi49jr said:

Seems to me some posters here watch RT a little too much and swallow all the ridiculous garbage they spew as fact.
Of course it’s possible to look at certain situations objectively, but when you’re dealing with a lunatic delusional dictator in charge of a fascist homicidal regime that wants to pretty much eradicate a whole country and its people, objectivity tends to go out the window, as far as I’m concerned.

Russia needs to be called out for what it is. Putin and his regime need to be called out for what they are. So excuse me for not pussyfooting around and calling a spade a spade. The Russians are behaving exactly like the nazi’s did in WWII, so calling them Orcs is more than justified. If I said what I really think about Putin and Russia I’d be banned for life from this forum, so I’ll stick to calling them Orcs (and suchlike) and leave it at that, okay?

I don't watch RT. The only tv source I watch is Al Jazeera, which IMO is the least biased news source available.

 

I think I can recognise propaganda, wherever I see it.

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't watch RT. The only tv source I watch is Al Jazeera, which IMO is the least biased news source available.

 

I think I can recognise propaganda, wherever I see it.

I tend to read news, not watch it so much. Certainly not sticking to one source which only gives you an echo chamber. I follow numerous MSM new agencies along with state controlled Russian media for their perspective and everything inbetween including Al Jazeera. Direct sources on the ground, officials of both sides and International bodies.

 

I could think of nothing worse than sticking to one source when looking for info on this illegal invasion into Ukraine

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems to me that certain posters have been thinking the western propaganda is fact.

Can't remember how many times we've been told that the Russians are going to run out of ammunition/ missiles etc, the troops were going to mutiny, the Russian economy is collapsing and other such like wishful thinking.

 

It is possible to look at the situation objectively without being a Putin sympathizer, but for some it's not enough unless posting about orcs and suchlike.

 

You need to look at facts.

What you're describing are opinions, predictions. There's plenty of factual reporting from the western media.

[Phoenix Rising]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems to me that certain posters have been thinking the western propaganda is fact.

Can't remember how many times we've been told that the Russians are going to run out of ammunition/ missiles etc, the troops were going to mutiny, the Russian economy is collapsing and other such like wishful thinking.

 

It is possible to look at the situation objectively without being a Putin sympathizer, but for some it's not enough unless posting about orcs and suchlike.

 

Objectively??

Suuuuure.......

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[bannork]

Get it on 

 

[bronxFrankie]

2 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

'I know I'm being sent to my death': Ukrainian soldiers admit 'we are just getting killed' as they defend Bakhmut...and say Russia can already 'taste victory'

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11862805/Bakhmut-Ukrainian-soldiers-admit-just-getting-killed-defend-city.html?ico=related-replace

 

Situation may be very grave for Ukrainian defenders in Bakhmut. 

Edited March 16, 2023 by bronxFrankie

[Rimmer]

A couple of bickering posts have been removed

[LosLobo]

14 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't watch RT. The only tv source I watch is Al Jazeera, which IMO is the least biased news source available.

 

I think I can recognise propaganda, wherever I see it.

As one poster responded to you " You need to look at the facts". Bias is not necessarily my prime concern but facts are.

 

Al Jazzeera

Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: Qatar
Press Freedom Rank: LIMITED FREEDOM
Media Type: TV Station
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

 

Al Jazeera - Media Bias/Fact Check (mediabiasfactcheck.com)

 

My go to News Service is the PBS, the most trusted in USA.

 

But if one is a discerning critical thinker a mixed range is fine.

 

I even watch Fox as you admitted on occasions. But mainly for entertainment.

 

PBS NewsHour

Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: TV Station
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

 

PBS NewsHour - Media Bias/Fact Check (mediabiasfactcheck.com)

 

As for others recognising  propaganda, I think their actions are the best judge.

[AndyFoxy]

2 hours ago, bronxFrankie said:

'I know I'm being sent to my death': Ukrainian soldiers admit 'we are just getting killed' as they defend Bakhmut...and say Russia can already 'taste victory'

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11862805/Bakhmut-Ukrainian-soldiers-admit-just-getting-killed-defend-city.html?ico=related-replace

 

Situation may be very grave for Ukrainian defenders in Bakhmut. 

 No, most on her will tell you that Russia will be defeated and Ukraine will win the battle/war. 

[scottiejohn]

16 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't watch RT. The only tv source I watch is Al Jazeera, which IMO is the least biased news source available.

 

I think I can recognise propaganda, wherever I see it.

"I think I can recognise propaganda, wherever I see it."

If you believe your statement above wrt to Al Jazeera then you are sadly misguided in your beliefs and rational thinking (if any!)!

 

PS;  If you only watch one news' source how do you know it is balanced or trustful or not state controlled etc?

 

 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by scottiejohn

[bronxFrankie]

17 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

 No, most on her will tell you that Russia will be defeated and Ukraine will win the battle/war. 

Doubtful UA will hold Bakhmut. They are getting decimated.

 

https://time.com/6260585/bakhmut-ukraine-russia/

 

"Has Ukraine made a big mistake by refusing to retreat from Bakhmut?

A growing number of Western military analysts argue that the situation in the eastern city has deteriorated to the point that defending it may now be more costly than it is worth."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-mistake-bakhmut-defense-retreat-russia-wagner-rcna74618

[tgw]

13 hours ago, bronxFrankie said:

Doubtful UA will hold Bakhmut. They are getting decimated.

 

https://time.com/6260585/bakhmut-ukraine-russia/

 

"Has Ukraine made a big mistake by refusing to retreat from Bakhmut?

A growing number of Western military analysts argue that the situation in the eastern city has deteriorated to the point that defending it may now be more costly than it is worth."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-mistake-bakhmut-defense-retreat-russia-wagner-rcna74618

it certainly seems so.

all information available since the fall of Soledar suggested AFU would retreat from Bakhmut.

they made the decision not to.

I'm certainly alarmed by that strategy, but I also consider the fact that the decision was made by the people who possess the best and newest intelligence about the situation.

I hope their strategy works out.

Evidently, AFU are suffering high losses.

[bannork]

A summary of the war so far 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

"I think I can recognise propaganda, wherever I see it."

If you believe your statement above wrt to Al Jazeera then you are sadly misguided in your beliefs and rational thinking (if any!)!

 

PS;  If you only watch one news' source how do you know it is balanced or trustful or not state controlled etc?

 

 

 

 

I said it's the "least biased", not that it's perfect.

 

I don't know with regard to any news source, but it's pretty obvious what is propaganda if one uses common sense.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, bronxFrankie said:

Doubtful UA will hold Bakhmut. They are getting decimated.

 

https://time.com/6260585/bakhmut-ukraine-russia/

 

"Has Ukraine made a big mistake by refusing to retreat from Bakhmut?

A growing number of Western military analysts argue that the situation in the eastern city has deteriorated to the point that defending it may now be more costly than it is worth."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-mistake-bakhmut-defense-retreat-russia-wagner-rcna74618

IMO it's become a symbol, so needs to be held or won.

By making it so important, it will be a massive blow to Ukrainian morale if lost, and if Russia wins it will be a huge boost to Russian troops.

[bannork]

Another Russian government security building in flames.

They really should update their wiring.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64975202

[bannork]

More mobilization orders issued.

 

[bannork]

Russian businessmen asked to support the families of killed Wagner soldiers 

 

[Tug]

Poland is gifting 4 mig 29s hopefully more coming many many more so Ukraine can restore air supremacy over their country slava Ukraine ???????? 

[bannork]

A Russian fighter attacking the US drone above international waters