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More strikes in Moscow by Ukraine drones, ok apparently they were shot down so would have missed their intended target but its good that are still getting through and causing damage.

 

Live: Russia downs three Ukrainian drones over Moscow, defence ministry says

 

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Russia’s defence ministry said that three Ukrainian drones attacked Moscow early on Sunday, the TASS news agency reported. One drone was destroyed in the air and two others crashed in Moscow, the ministry said. The attack damaged two buildings and temporarily suspended flights at Vnukovo airport. Follow our liveblog for all the latest updates. All times are Paris time (GMT + 2).

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230730-live-russia-downs-three-ukrainian-drones-over-moscow-defence-ministry-says

 

 

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the main story is Russia has been meddling in Ukraine for decades. Ukraine has been the recipient of billions of Euros as investment, loans, development aid and whatnot and is/was evolving into a

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long story short, less than 2% of voters support the far-right in Ukraine. in all countries there are always a small group of extremists. Ukraine doesn't have a far-right problem. But i

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16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

More strikes in Moscow by Ukraine drones, ok apparently they were shot down so would have missed their intended target but its good that are still getting through and causing damage.

 

Live: Russia downs three Ukrainian drones over Moscow, defence ministry says

 

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Russia’s defence ministry said that three Ukrainian drones attacked Moscow early on Sunday, the TASS news agency reported. One drone was destroyed in the air and two others crashed in Moscow, the ministry said. The attack damaged two buildings and temporarily suspended flights at Vnukovo airport. Follow our liveblog for all the latest updates. All times are Paris time (GMT + 2).

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230730-live-russia-downs-three-ukrainian-drones-over-moscow-defence-ministry-says

 

 

Sounds like the war is expanding, ooops I meant Putin's Special Operation, oh wait, nope its a war and now the shoe is on the other foot.  Should have Putin and his inner circle pooping in there pants.  Just saw this report, and yes its Michael Steele whom I don't trust to much, but then what he says is part and parcel.

 

Putin could be out of power within a year, says ex-British spy - here's how | World News | Sky News

 

Steele says the slow progress of Ukraine's counteroffensive may have given Putin some "breathing space" but that disquiet over the invasion - and the tightening effect of sanctions on the Russian economy and the rich and powerful could prove pivotal.

 

He believes this is the most likely scenario, with the following narrative playing out: "A move is made violently, if necessary, to kill or topple Putin in favour of another securocrat or regime oligarch - but one who has distanced themselves from the war and is prepared to negotiate on ending it genuinely with the West."

 

He says "rising star" Aleksey Dyumin, the governor of Tula oblast, is one potential successor.  The others being oligarch Igor Sechin - nicknamed 'Darth Vader', and former Russian prime minister Viktor Zubkov.

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Putin has now reportedly said he is open to talks on Ukraine. Zelensyyt's latest nightly report threatens The war has moved to the streets of Moscow and states openly its only fair afterwhat Russia has been doing to his Country. The Counter offensive might be slow but its going forward not backwards and once the Cluster munitions start raining down on Russian forces and Armour it will advance quickly and now Moscow itself is being targeted from within Moscow.

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Putin has now reportedly said he is open to talks on Ukraine. Zelensyyt's latest nightly report threatens The war has moved to the streets of Moscow and states openly its only fair afterwhat Russia has been doing to his Country. The Counter offensive might be slow but its going forward not backwards and once the Cluster munitions start raining down on Russian forces and Armour it will advance quickly and now Moscow itself is being targeted from within Moscow.

Peace talks are a non starter at this stage, Putin wants to keep all the territories he has stolen, Ukraine will never agree to that.

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No Wobbly first he has to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine including all the areas he stole. Sounds like Putin realizes he cannot win so is looking for a way out. Game changer when Russian body bags are going to be used in Moscow.

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I bet they'll still be supplying to Russia under the table.........

 

China restricts civilian drone exports, citing Ukraine and concern about military use

China imposed restrictions Monday on exports of long-range civilian drones, citing Russia’s war in Ukraine and concern that drones might be converted to military use.

Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s government is friendly with Moscow but says it is neutral in the 17-month-old war. It has been stung by reports that both sides might be using Chinese-made drones for reconnaissance and possibly attacks.

https://news.yahoo.com/china-imposes-curbs-drone-exports-111156371.html

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LOL aaaaaaannd again

 

Ukraine war: Same Moscow skyscraper hit in new drone attack

A skyscraper in Russia's capital Moscow has been attacked by a drone for the second time in two days, Mayor Sergei Sobyanin has said.

Several drones were shot down overnight, he said, but "one flew into the same tower at the Moskva City complex" that was targeted on Sunday.

The building's glass facade was damaged but no injuries have been reported.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66368016

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LOL aaaaaaannd again

 

Ukraine war: Same Moscow skyscraper hit in new drone attack

A skyscraper in Russia's capital Moscow has been attacked by a drone for the second time in two days, Mayor Sergei Sobyanin has said.

Several drones were shot down overnight, he said, but "one flew into the same tower at the Moskva City complex" that was targeted on Sunday.

The building's glass facade was damaged but no injuries have been reported.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66368016

I suggest  that the Ministry of Propaganda is a very appropriate target.....

 

 

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I can recommend the daily podcast from Telegraph, journalists and experts with the latest news from Ukraine.  I find them more informative than other sources.  Also one of their experts , the writer Victoria Amelina died during the missile strike in Kramatorsk.
 

 

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In a country where even protesting against the war brings 15 years in prison, this level of civil disobedience shows Putin is losing his grip......

 

 

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I, as many would agree ...   sincerely hope Article 5 is enacted very soon whereby it will scare the <deleted> out of Russia and it's conscripts ....    imo

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Ukraine's Crimean Beach Party is fast approaching and the Russians aren't invited......

 

Ukrainian HIMARS Strike ‘Takes Out 200 Russian Troops’ Gathered on a Beach.

 

'An apparent Ukrainian HIMARS strike has reportedly killed hundreds of Russian soldiers as they gathered at a training camp on Dzharylhach Island in the occupied Kherson region. Footage filmed by a drone shows a long, sandy spit of land before zooming in on a number of troop formations gathered by the shore of the Black Sea.

 

Ukrainian HIMARS Strike ‘Takes Out 200 Russian Troops’ Gathered on a Beach (kyivpost.com)

 

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Ukraine's Crimean Beach Party is fast approaching and the Russians aren't invited......

 

Ukrainian HIMARS Strike ‘Takes Out 200 Russian Troops’ Gathered on a Beach.

 

'An apparent Ukrainian HIMARS strike has reportedly killed hundreds of Russian soldiers as they gathered at a training camp on Dzharylhach Island in the occupied Kherson region. Footage filmed by a drone shows a long, sandy spit of land before zooming in on a number of troop formations gathered by the shore of the Black Sea.

 

Ukrainian HIMARS Strike ‘Takes Out 200 Russian Troops’ Gathered on a Beach (kyivpost.com)

 

yes ... i seen that video earlier today,  it's not so conclusive as most videos but good job if they did   !!

 

Go Ukraine ....   !!    kill every Russian you can   !!

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 I hope Ukraine bombs the sh_t out of Moscow .......   destroy them ...

Highly unlikely with the drones the Ukrainians are using but it is better than nothing, compared with the devastation the Russians have inflicted on Ukraine it can only be described as a scratch, purely symbolic, but it will do more to damage Putins reputation than any damage to their buildings could ever do. Maybe the West should give the Ukrainians the missiles that would make a difference, I just can't help thinking that the Ukrainians are fighting the Russians with one arm tied around their backs.

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10 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Highly unlikely with the drones the Ukrainians are using but it is better than nothing, compared with the devastation the Russians have inflicted on Ukraine it can only be described as a scratch, purely symbolic, but it will do more to damage Putins reputation than any damage to their buildings could ever do. Maybe the West should give the Ukrainians the missiles that would make a difference, I just can't help thinking that the Ukrainians are fighting the Russians with one arm tied around their backs.

absolutely agree ......    it's not a level playing field,   but if the west stop with the support then let Russia take Ukraine,  then what ?  Poland ?    so the US and EU are kinda throwing Ukraine under a bus without giving it complete first aid.  

They don't want to give them fighter jets ?   They don't want to give them Long rang Missiles ?  They were reluctant to give cluster bombs even though Russia used and has thousand of them stockpiles.  

 

At what point does Zelensky say '    well f__k  you US and EU ... Russia can have Ukraine because you are not supporting us 100%   so as to destroy the incursion ..    ??????

 

It's a valid point for sure ......    Ukrainians have paid a terrible price to provide a buffer

 

 

 

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Highly unlikely with the drones the Ukrainians are using but it is better than nothing, compared with the devastation the Russians have inflicted on Ukraine it can only be described as a scratch, purely symbolic, but it will do more to damage Putins reputation than any damage to their buildings could ever do. Maybe the West should give the Ukrainians the missiles that would make a difference, I just can't help thinking that the Ukrainians are fighting the Russians with one arm tied around their backs.

I tend to agree with you, and was going to comment that the glass fronted building that has been hit in two drone attacks is a good target, since there have been no casualties, but the damage is very visible and apparent to anyone looking in that direction, giving pause for thought.  However, I do have some doubts as to the overall effect.  As Hitler found when bombing London, and, indeed, Putin is finding with his attacks on Ukrainian cities, far from terrorising the population, it unites it.  Ukraine, and the West, want to split the Russian people from Putin.  Bringing them together in a "blitz spirit" would do the opposite.  Attacks on the Kremlin, military bases and other government buildings could show the Russians that the fight is against Putin, and not the Russian people, but I do think it would be a big mistake to start hitting civilian residences and infrastructure - either intentionally or not.

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This is scary and disturbing that they have planned these abductions for this purpose. 

 

Child abductions’ are Russian plan to weaken Ukraine, says UK envoy

 

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Britain’s ambassador to Ukraine, Melinda Simmons, has characterised Russia’s alleged mass abduction of children from Ukraine as a deliberate strategy to sever ties between Ukraine and the “next generation that will defend the country”.

 

Simmons told the Ukrainian news outlet ArmyInform that the alleged abductions were part of its “hybrid invasion” of the country.

 

Children taken or kept by Russia were “subject to an extraordinary, relentless range of brainwashing”, Simmons said, which “creates a psychological barrier between the kids and their parents”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/01/russia-alleged-child-abductions-ukraine-defence-uk-ambassador

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This is scary and disturbing that they have planned these abductions for this purpose. 

 

Child abductions’ are Russian plan to weaken Ukraine, says UK envoy

 

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Britain’s ambassador to Ukraine, Melinda Simmons, has characterised Russia’s alleged mass abduction of children from Ukraine as a deliberate strategy to sever ties between Ukraine and the “next generation that will defend the country”.

 

Simmons told the Ukrainian news outlet ArmyInform that the alleged abductions were part of its “hybrid invasion” of the country.

 

Children taken or kept by Russia were “subject to an extraordinary, relentless range of brainwashing”, Simmons said, which “creates a psychological barrier between the kids and their parents”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/01/russia-alleged-child-abductions-ukraine-defence-uk-ambassador

Russia is indeed the evil empire, they will stoop to any low to achieve their goals. And to think there are countless people in Europe and the USA who support Putin and cheer him on. The world is truly going mad. 

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Russia is indeed the evil empire, they will stoop to any low to achieve their goals. And to think there are countless people in Europe and the USA who support Putin and cheer him on. The world is truly going mad. 

And who pawed the road for a desperate putin? 

 

I do not defend Putin, condem the double morality of the rest of the world, who give Putin the reasons for his cruel war against an constructed enemy! 

 

Just think about before you give an reaction or a reply, thats all I ask about. History is full of bs, but it doesnt mean I support Putin, or his actions against a devoloping and a country who is still restoring after being a member of Soviet Union. That means cleaning up and restoring or creating a new democratic system without corruption which is one of the biggest problems in former USSR.

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14 minutes ago, Hummin said:

And who pawed the road for a desperate putin? 

 

I do not defend Putin, condem the double morality of the rest of the world, who give Putin the reasons for his cruel war against an constructed enemy! 

 

Just think about before you give an reaction or a reply, thats all I ask about. History is full of bs, but it doesnt mean I support Putin, or his actions against a devoloping and a country who is still restoring after being a member of Soviet Union. That means cleaning up and restoring or creating a new democratic system without corruption which is one of the biggest problems in former USSR.

Please explain to me how you’re not defending Putin, but still blaming the rest of the world for giving Putin the reasons for his cruel war. And who/what is an ‘unconstructed enemy’?

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41 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Please explain to me how you’re not defending Putin, but still blaming the rest of the world for giving Putin the reasons for his cruel war. And who/what is an ‘unconstructed enemy’?

To have an open mind, means also be critical to what our own allies have produced during the last centuries! It is not Putin comes out of the blue with his propaganda, fueling African, middle east countries and maybe especially India and China with common linked history full of feelings against western countries. 

 

Putin could not have done this without support from mentioned regions who all have an historical agenda against us! 

 

Do I need to mention history behind the build up? 

 

Discussing these matters here seems like a wasp nest! Still it doesnt legitimate Putins war crimes and  actions against Ukraine! 

 

Christ sake shallow thinking from so many who should know better, that the world never starts a new day with blanc papers, there is always a reason to continue this war against some cind of enemy which always involves easy access to territory and resources. 

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5 hours ago, Hummin said:

To have an open mind, means also be critical to what our own allies have produced during the last centuries! It is not Putin comes out of the blue with his propaganda, fueling African, middle east countries and maybe especially India and China with common linked history full of feelings against western countries. 

 

Putin could not have done this without support from mentioned regions who all have an historical agenda against us! 

 

Do I need to mention history behind the build up? 

 

Discussing these matters here seems like a wasp nest! Still it doesnt legitimate Putins war crimes and  actions against Ukraine! 

 

Christ sake shallow thinking from so many who should know better, that the world never starts a new day with blanc papers, there is always a reason to continue this war against some cind of enemy which always involves easy access to territory and resources. 

"Discussing these matters here seems like a wasp nest! Still it doesnt legitimate Putins war crimes and  actions against Ukraine! "

 

Right so back to the matters in hand which is what this topic is about.

 

Hopefully some good news breaking:

 

Seismic measuring stations in Romania and Bulgaria have picked up 3 distinct explosions along the Crimean Bridge

 

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https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1687585846445125632

 

 

 

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