Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Mavideol]

West in 'denial' about Vladimir Putin who is 'now more powerful than Stalin', says ex-defence minister

https://au.yahoo.com/news/west-denial-vladimir-putin-now-073500341.html

[Mavideol]

thanks UK, hope others will follow

Ukraine uses British cruise missiles to hit Russian military HQ in occupied Luhansk

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-uses-british-cruise-missiles-222700109.html

 

[Mavideol]

Ukraine-Russia war latest: Zelensky warns ‘no time to waste’ as Ukraine’s army chief says frontline situation ‘tense’

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-live-putin-121324773.html

[Mavideol]

Ukraine-Russia war live: World ‘dangerously close to nuclear accident’ as Moscow strikes power plant

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-live-putin-121324773.html

[Wobblybob]

Biden has told Speaker Johnson that he will not accept a stand alone deal for Israel without the inclusion of Ukraine, hope all goes well for the Ukrainians. 

 

 

[tgw]

15 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

Biden has told Speaker Johnson that he will not accept a stand alone deal for Israel without the inclusion of Ukraine, hope all goes well for the Ukrainians. 

 

 

 

 

So for how many more months will Putin-Republicans still delay the Aid Bill ?

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

 

So for how many more months will Putin-Republicans still delay the Aid Bill ?

I don't know, but it's disgraceful how the Republicans are playing politics with Ukrainian lives. 🥴

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

I don't know, but it's disgraceful how the Republicans are playing politics with Ukrainian lives. 🥴

At least one thing we agree on

[Seppius]

Russia's military death toll in Ukraine has now passed the 50,000 mark - the BBC can confirm.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-68819853

 

Interesting as I have seen estimates from 300K to 400K for a long time now

 

What do you guys think?, Its from an anti Putin Russian media group

 

Mediazona is a Russian independent media outlet focused on Anti Putinist opposition that was founded by Maria Alyokhina and Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, who are also co-founders of the protest group and band Pussy Riot.

 

The outlet's editor-in-chief is Russian political journalist Sergey Smirnov. Wikipedia

 

 

[Mavideol]

Chilling video shows fire erupting out of a Russian tank after an exploding Ukrainian drone flew into its open hatch

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chilling-video-shows-fire-erupting-173622982.html

[Mavideol]

we have to agree with Zelenski when he said the west doesn't protect Ukraine as they protected Israel

Ukraine Sees ‘Hypocrisy’ in Western Allies’ Defense of Israel

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/15/world/middleeast/ukraine-aid-israel-iran-war.html

 

But NO missiles and/or air defense

US transfers thousands of seized Iranian guns, rocket launchers and munitions to Ukraine

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/09/politics/us-iran-arms-ukraine/index.html

 

 

[ballpoint]

There are reports that Ukraine attacked a major Russian airbase in Crimea yesterday (April 17th), apparently using ATACMS missiles.

 

"Up to 30 Russian personnel may have been killed and another 80 injured, according to a new report, after dramatic footage appeared to show explosions at a Russian military base in northern Crimea overnight...

... Dzhankoy, south of the crossing from Crimea into Ukraine's annexed Kherson region, is a major military hub. Home to one of Russia's largest airfields in Crimea, it is key for keeping Russian forces on the mainland stocked up."

 

Crimea Air Base Strike Leaves 30 Russians Dead, 80 Wounded: Report (newsweek.com)

 

 

[Mavideol]

Ukrainian military attacked Russian airfield in occupied Crimea, Zelenskyy says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-chernihiv-attack-crimea-airbase-1.7176061

[Rimmer]

37 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

There are reports that Ukraine attacked a major Russian airbase in Crimea yesterday (April 17th), apparently using ATACMS missiles.

 

"Up to 30 Russian personnel may have been killed and another 80 injured, according to a new report, after dramatic footage appeared to show explosions at a Russian military base in northern Crimea overnight...

... Dzhankoy, south of the crossing from Crimea into Ukraine's annexed Kherson region, is a major military hub. Home to one of Russia's largest airfields in Crimea, it is key for keeping Russian forces on the mainland stocked up."

 

Crimea Air Base Strike Leaves 30 Russians Dead, 80 Wounded: Report (newsweek.com)

 

 

 

Some more details and pictures on the attack here:

https://www.twz.com/news-features/ukraine-situation-report-russian-air-defense-systems-struck-in-crimea

[Rimmer]

Two posts and a reply linking to a questionable, thus disallowed source have been removed

[tgw]

On 4/17/2024 at 12:39 PM, Seppius said:

Russia's military death toll in Ukraine has now passed the 50,000 mark - the BBC can confirm.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-68819853

 

Interesting as I have seen estimates from 300K to 400K for a long time now

 

What do you guys think?, Its from an anti Putin Russian media group

 

Mediazona is a Russian independent media outlet focused on Anti Putinist opposition that was founded by Maria Alyokhina and Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, who are also co-founders of the protest group and band Pussy Riot.

 

The outlet's editor-in-chief is Russian political journalist Sergey Smirnov. Wikipedia

 

These 50k are deaths of Russian fighters that the BBC can individually confirm, meaning the BBC knows the name of every single soldier.
BBC has never put out estimates on losses.

 

What do you think is the ratio between all pro-Putin fighters put out of combat by death, injury, imprisonment or illness compared to the number of deaths with their identity individually confirmed by the BBC using open source intelligence ?

 

The ratio between wounded and dead is usually between 4 to 1 and 8 to 1 in war.

 

Are we confident the BBC identified the dead ... 90% of them ? 60% ? I'd say IDing 50% of the identities of Russian losses would already be very remarquable.

 

so the real number is maybe around 100.000k

then, using the wounded - dead ratio, it's easy to come close to the estimates of 500k+ for losses

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[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/17/2024 at 4:31 PM, Hummin said:

At least one thing we agree on

I don't think they are playing politics. I think they just consider that the money is better spent on the US than things that go boom.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, ballpoint said:

There are reports that Ukraine attacked a major Russian airbase in Crimea yesterday (April 17th), apparently using ATACMS missiles.

 

"Up to 30 Russian personnel may have been killed and another 80 injured, according to a new report, after dramatic footage appeared to show explosions at a Russian military base in northern Crimea overnight...

... Dzhankoy, south of the crossing from Crimea into Ukraine's annexed Kherson region, is a major military hub. Home to one of Russia's largest airfields in Crimea, it is key for keeping Russian forces on the mainland stocked up."

 

Crimea Air Base Strike Leaves 30 Russians Dead, 80 Wounded: Report (newsweek.com)

 

 

If that is true, expect a major attack somewhere in Ukraine as punishment. Ukraine isn't the only country that has missiles.

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't think they are playing politics. I think they just consider that the money is better spent on the US than things that go boom.

 

Everything is about balance in the world, and I could agree to some degree, it should have been struck a deal with Putin before this went to far, but know we are here at this point!

 

Both parts violated the borders, killed innocent civilians, russians shot down an civil airplane, and there where russians suffering in Ukraine because of the situation. Ukraine was corrupt and had private right wing armies, all this is true, but still, Putin attacked civilians when he invaded, and still do,

 

Backing out now, would be as bad as the retreat from Afghanistan, and leave a chaos and a humanitarian chaos as the west alliance loose all credibility. Who can ever trust The west alliance ever again? 

 

 

[tgw]

49 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Both parts violated the borders

 

prior to Putin's attack ?

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

prior to Putin's attack ?

How long lasted the boarder conflict, who was involved, and how many civilians died.

 

Where there conflicts between Ukrainians and the russians in Ukraine, and did Ukraine had private armies who violated human rights? 

[tgw]

45 minutes ago, Hummin said:

How long lasted the boarder conflict, who was involved, and how many civilians died.

 

Where there conflicts between Ukrainians and the russians in Ukraine, and did Ukraine had private armies who violated human rights? 

 

You avoid the question.
Violence started with Ruzzian interference in Ukrainian democracy back when the Orange revolution took place. I was in Ukraine at the time.

At that time, Ruzzian-organized assassinations, bribery, etc. were common and they also poisoned president Yushchenko.

Large scale violence started when Yanukovich the Ruzzian puppet was ousted and Ruzzia organized armed groups and invaded Crimea. Ruzzia influenced the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and created armed separatist groups there, armed and supplied by Ruzzia, who were shooting both sides with MLRS (grad) to escalate tensions.

 

The extreme right has always been rather insignificant in post-WW2 Ukraine, not even reaching 2% support in the population.

 

Private armies were a requisite in an ultra-corrupt Ukraine shaped after the Ruzzian model. I can say that private armies existed in Ukraine because of Ruzzia's influence, which made it necessary for some oligarchs to maintain an army.

Asking if human rights were violated is a biased question, as this is almost guaranteed to be the case at different degrees anywhere in the world at any moment.

 

Equating Ukraine to Ruzzia and saying they should both share the blame is Ruzzian propaganda.

 

Why do you want to blame Ukraine when a large part of the Ukrainian state structures were controlled by Ruzzia through bribery, blackmail and extortion ? My best guess is that at the time of invasion, about 20 to 30% of Ukrainian government officials were controlled by Ruzzia, and when Crimea was invaded, I guess Ruzzia controlled over 50% of Ukrainian state structures in Crimea and the Donbass.

 

Don't try to throw Ukraine and Ruzzia into the same basket for assigning blame about who started the conflict, for 2 reasons :
- Yes, the responsibility is shared, but the ratio is 95% Ruzzia and 5% Ukraine
- Saying otherwise is supporting the Ruzzian narrative, which is a lie

 

don't support Ruzzia.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

 

You avoid the question.
Violence started with Ruzzian interference in Ukrainian democracy back when the Orange revolution took place. I was in Ukraine at the time.

At that time, Ruzzian-organized assassinations, bribery, etc. were common and they also poisoned president Yushchenko.

Large scale violence started when Yanukovich the Ruzzian puppet was ousted and Ruzzia organized armed groups and invaded Crimea. Ruzzia influenced the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and created armed separatist groups there, armed and supplied by Ruzzia, who were shooting both sides with MLRS (grad) to escalate tensions.

 

The extreme right has always been rather insignificant in post-WW2 Ukraine, not even reaching 2% support in the population.

 

Private armies were a requisite in an ultra-corrupt Ukraine shaped after the Ruzzian model. I can say that private armies existed in Ukraine because of Ruzzia's influence, which made it necessary for some oligarchs to maintain an army.

Asking if human rights were violated is a biased question, as this is almost guaranteed to be the case at different degrees anywhere in the world at any moment.

 

Equating Ukraine to Ruzzia and saying they should both share the blame is Ruzzian propaganda.

 

Why do you want to blame Ukraine when a large part of the Ukrainian state structures were controlled by Ruzzia through bribery, blackmail and extortion ? My best guess is that at the time of invasion, about 20 to 30% of Ukrainian government officials were controlled by Ruzzia, and when Crimea was invaded, I guess Ruzzia controlled over 50% of Ukrainian state structures in Crimea and the Donbass.

 

Don't try to throw Ukraine and Ruzzia into the same basket for assigning blame about who started the conflict, for 2 reasons :
- Yes, the responsibility is shared, but the ratio is 95% Ruzzia and 5% Ukraine
- Saying otherwise is supporting the Ruzzian narrative, which is a lie

 

don't support Ruzzia.

God sake, no, not support of Russia, and for an outstander seeing bbc report and documentaries long before the last invasion, it could for an outstander seem to bee a very delicate situation, as well Us, European and Nato involment before the last invasion. 

 

And have to give Putin right at one point getting strategic locked in, and surrounded by Nato and European allies as well the anti missile weapons  in poland where bay of pigs comes to mind. 

 

This is world politics, and how it works, unfortunate for the Ukraines.

[Wobblybob]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

God sake, no, not support of Russia, and for an outstander seeing bbc report and documentaries long before the last invasion, it could for an outstander seem to bee a very delicate situation, as well Us, European and Nato involment before the last invasion. 

 

And have to give Putin right at one point getting strategic locked in, and surrounded by Nato and European allies as well the anti missile weapons  in poland where bay of pigs comes to mind. 

 

This is world politics, and how it works, unfortunate for the Ukraines.

Putin is surrounded by NATO because countries join NATO to safeguard themselves from their country from being over run by the madman in the Kremlin!

[Hummin]

47 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Putin is surrounded by NATO because countries join NATO to safeguard themselves from their country from being over run by the madman in the Kremlin!

ai, not difficult is it? Why it comes to tension and war, and thats what Im talking about, and you guys still claims the same  narrative over and over, and think cause, reaction and action have nothing to do with each other. And thats exactly why we continue as we always have done, going from conflict to conflict world around. 

 

Just reflections, nothing else, and really not so hard to understand if you keep your mind a little bit open about why things happens, there is always a underlying cause

[tgw]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

ai, not difficult is it? Why it comes to tension and war, and thats what Im talking about, and you guys still claims the same  narrative over and over, and think cause, reaction and action have nothing to do with each other. And thats exactly why we continue as we always have done, going from conflict to conflict world around. 

 

Just reflections, nothing else, and really not so hard to understand if you keep your mind a little bit open about why things happens, there is always a underlying cause

 

cause : Russia / USSR nearly raped every country that was under their control.

effect : all these countries want to join EU / NATO and be protected against crazy Ivan.

[Wobblybob]

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

ai, not difficult is it? Why it comes to tension and war, and thats what Im talking about, and you guys still claims the same  narrative over and over, and think cause, reaction and action have nothing to do with each other. And thats exactly why we continue as we always have done, going from conflict to conflict world around. 

 

Just reflections, nothing else, and really not so hard to understand if you keep your mind a little bit open about why things happens, there is always a underlying cause

Total gibberish and it does not alter the fact why countries join NATO and without Russia there wouldn't be NATO. Why do you think that there are more countries in NATO than before Russia invaded Ukraine, hint....you don't need to be a genius to work it out.

[ballpoint]

Posted to YouTube around 15:40 today (April 19th):

 

"A Russian nuclear-capable supersonic bomber has been shot down deep inside Russia, with the Ukrainian air force claiming responsibility for it. The Tu-22M3 was taking part in a bombing run to launch cruise missiles at Ukrainian cities when it was downed around 190 miles from the front line".

 

[tgw]

Just now, ballpoint said:

Posted to YouTube around 15:40 today (April 19th):

 

"A Russian nuclear-capable supersonic bomber has been shot down deep inside Russia, with the Ukrainian air force claiming responsibility for it. The Tu-22M3 was taking part in a bombing run to launch cruise missiles at Ukrainian cities when it was downed around 190 miles from the front line".

 

 

nice shooting, well done Ukraine.