Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[AreYouGerman]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We really do not know the real numbers behind Putin, or are you just full of propaganda as well?

 

Source for your claims?

 

Anyway, we can ask Donald Trump about this election stuff.

 

Personally, I am against voting so it doesn't matter to me - what counts is results - Putin seems to be doing a good job for the Russians.

 

For God, King and Country.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

Source for your claims?

 

Anyway, we can ask Donald Trump about this election stuff.

 

Personally, I am against voting so it doesn't matter to me - what counts is results - Putin seems to be doing a good job for the Russians.

 

For God, King and Country.

Well, he doing a good job to <deleted> up the western empire. For the russians, I can not speak, but for some russians, he is as much appreciated as Trump 😒

Edited May 3 by Hummin

[kwonitoy]

But sanctions don't work, according to the bots

[kwonitoy]

How can this be? Ukraine has been crushed    s/

[johng]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/03/ukraine-peace-talks-alternative-inevitable-defeat/

 

Ukraine is preparing for peace talks with Russia as there is “no way to win on the battlefield alone”, Kyiv’s deputy spy chief has said.

Maj Gen Vadym Skibitsky, the deputy head of Ukraine’s HUR military intelligence agency, said both sides were currently vying for “the most favourable position” ahead of possible negotiations in 2025.

As with virtually all wars, negotiations will likely be the final stage of the conflict,

[Gweiloman]

11 hours ago, Hummin said:

We really do not know the real numbers behind Putin, or are you just full of propaganda as well?

 

11 hours ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

Source for your claims?

 

Anyway, we can ask Donald Trump about this election stuff.

 

Personally, I am against voting so it doesn't matter to me - what counts is results - Putin seems to be doing a good job for the Russians.

 

For God, King and Country.

Strange how is it, for one side, everything that Russia says, true or false, is propaganda whereas everything their side says is the undisputed truth. 
 

Biden tripped going upstairs- Russian propaganda 

Putin does not have cancer - Russian propaganda

Bolshoi Ballet Academy is one of the oldest and most prestigious ballet academies in the world - Russian propaganda

Russian are fighting with shovels invented in the 19th century- absolute truth.

It reminds me of a cult, like EV-angelists

 

If the situation wasn’t so tragic for Ukraine, it would be funny.

[Gweiloman]

10 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

But sanctions don't work, according to the bots

You clearly don’t know much about economics. Gazprom’s major source of revenue was gas sales to Europe. Some dastardly evil nation blew up the pipeline that this gas was flowing through thus stopping the supply and sales. Naturally, Gazprom would then suffer a big hit on sales and profits. This however, will not put GP out of business. The gas is still in the ground and will be sold to other newer markets. In the meantime, the poor old buyers of this cheap energy is now forced to buy their much needed gas at significantly higher prices from other sources. Anyone with any intelligence can add 2+2.

 

Incidentally, sanctions had nothing to do with the above story. Lots of western countries, including America are still buying lots of stuff from Russia, including uranium. As to the impact of sanctions, Russia grew faster in 2023 than most western countries.

 

Despite several rounds of sanctions levied by Western powers over the war in Ukraine, the Russian economy registered strong growth in 2023 after a recession the previous year.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240316-after-two-years-war-ukraine-russian-economy-resilient-sanctions-putin-but-how-long

 

[Gweiloman]

11 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

How can this be? Ukraine has been crushed    s/

Needless loss of innocent lives on both sides, because of a particular war mongering country (hint: not Russia lol)

[Hummin]

22 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

 

Strange how is it, for one side, everything that Russia says, true or false, is propaganda whereas everything their side says is the undisputed truth. 
 

Biden tripped going upstairs- Russian propaganda 

Putin does not have cancer - Russian propaganda

Bolshoi Ballet Academy is one of the oldest and most prestigious ballet academies in the world - Russian propaganda

Russian are fighting with shovels invented in the 19th century- absolute truth.

It reminds me of a cult, like EV-angelists

 

If the situation wasn’t so tragic for Ukraine, it would be funny.

Im aware of both sides propaganda.

 

Do you claim Putin have almost 88% backing from his own people in the election? Only tyrans and dicttors have such numbers

 

 

[Mavideol]

for the skeptics

Russia suffered a shockingly high casualty rate over five days

Russia suffered a shockingly high casualty rate over five days (msn.com)

[Mavideol]

they can do what ever they want but nobody can challenge them

Kremlin brands France and UK's Ukraine comments as 'dangerous'

Kremlin brands France and UK's Ukraine comments as 'dangerous' (msn.com)

 

[Mavideol]

some here said Russia respects international law and .... 555

Kremlin critics say Russia targeting foes abroad with killings, poisonings and harassment

Kremlin critics say Russia targeting foes abroad with killings, poisonings and harassment (msn.com)

[Mavideol]

some here even said Russia will not invade/interfere in any other country besides Ukraine, they should, or they may look at it on a different way if they have an open mind, after all we all know how Russia ALWAYS tells the truth... no long ago (2-3 weeks) Russia jammed 2 commercial flights out of Finland, but these are friendly moves as they call it  555 (sarcasm intended)

EU and NATO condemn 'malicious' Russian cyber attacks against Germany and Czechia

 

EU and NATO condemn 'malicious' Russian cyber attacks against Germany and Czechia (msn.com)

 

 

[jvs]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Needless loss of innocent lives on both sides, because of a particular war mongering country (hint: not Russia lol)

No matter how you are trying to make putin look like the good guy,he is not!

He is the one that started all this and you know it!

[jvs]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

You clearly don’t know much about economics. Gazprom’s major source of revenue was gas sales to Europe. Some dastardly evil nation blew up the pipeline that this gas was flowing through thus stopping the supply and sales. Naturally, Gazprom would then suffer a big hit on sales and profits. This however, will not put GP out of business. The gas is still in the ground and will be sold to other newer markets. In the meantime, the poor old buyers of this cheap energy is now forced to buy their much needed gas at significantly higher prices from other sources. Anyone with any intelligence can add 2+2.

 

Incidentally, sanctions had nothing to do with the above story. Lots of western countries, including America are still buying lots of stuff from Russia, including uranium. As to the impact of sanctions, Russia grew faster in 2023 than most western countries.

 

Despite several rounds of sanctions levied by Western powers over the war in Ukraine, the Russian economy registered strong growth in 2023 after a recession the previous year.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240316-after-two-years-war-ukraine-russian-economy-resilient-sanctions-putin-but-how-long

 

Another half truth,please try to figure out why all of that gas is a direct loss to GP.It does not remain in the ground.

You also need to dig in a little deeper how the sanctions are affecting normal russian people.

The economy seems up for now but that is not sustainable ,the russian government will run out of money end of this summer.

 

[CatCage]

35 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

some here even said Russia will not invade/interfere in any other country besides Ukraine, they should, or they may look at it on a different way if they have an open mind, after all we all know how Russia ALWAYS tells the truth... no long ago (2-3 weeks) Russia jammed 2 commercial flights out of Finland, but these are friendly moves as they call it  555 (sarcasm intended)

EU and NATO condemn 'malicious' Russian cyber attacks against Germany and Czechia

 

EU and NATO condemn 'malicious' Russian cyber attacks against Germany and Czechia (msn.com)

 

 

 

So a Russian cyber attack against Germany and Czechia is not considered an attack on a NATO country? Really!!!! 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

How can this be? Ukraine has been crushed    s/

Perhaps it's not true.

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, CatCage said:

 

So a Russian cyber attack against Germany and Czechia is not considered an attack on a NATO country? Really!!!! 

am with you but....politics and WW3... remember Russia back in 2014 taking Crimea, when they started their movements Obama said there was a red line for Russia not to cross, guess what, the red line was crossed over and over and Obama / the US/Nato  did sxxt about it

[Gweiloman]

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps it's not true.

No no no TBL. If there’s a link, then it MUST be true.

[Gweiloman]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

for the skeptics

Russia suffered a shockingly high casualty rate over five days

Russia suffered a shockingly high casualty rate over five days (msn.com)

 

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

some here said Russia respects international law and .... 555

Kremlin critics say Russia targeting foes abroad with killings, poisonings and harassment

Kremlin critics say Russia targeting foes abroad with killings, poisonings and harassment (msn.com)

It is reported in western msm therefore it’s the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I get it. How foolish some of us were to think that only the west have the good guys and all Russians, Chinese, Iranians, North Koreans are bad and evil.

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

No matter how you are trying to make putin look like the good guy,he is not!

He is the one that started all this and you know it!

Actually, I don’t care about making Putin look good or whether he is good or bad. What I believe (and you can have your own beliefs as well, that’s fine with me) is that this conflict could have been easily avoided but was instigated by America to weaken Russia. It is well documented that NATO expansion eastwards was a red line for Russia and previous European leaders had been against it. But as America holds sway in NATO, the expansion continued right up to the borders of Russia. 
 

You surely can’t be so blind as to see that Russia won’t consider it a threat. How do you think any country would react if an adversary were to station troops and weapons next to their borders? Try not to be hypocritical when answering, although I doubt you would as it would show your narrative to be flawed.

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Another half truth,please try to figure out why all of that gas is a direct loss to GP.It does not remain in the ground.

You also need to dig in a little deeper how the sanctions are affecting normal russian people.

The economy seems up for now but that is not sustainable ,the russian government will run out of money end of this summer.

 

Were you in Russia to see how the sanctions are affecting normal Russian people? Or are you relying on western media reports? Surely you are not that naive and gullible to accept everything you read as the gospel truth?

 

Let’s revisit this claim that Russia will run out of money by the end of this summer. I doubt it very much, especially coming from you as you don’t even seem to know what proper nouns are, much less world economics.

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

 

It is reported in western msm therefore it’s the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I get it. How foolish some of us were to think that only the west have the good guys and all Russians, Chinese, Iranians, North Koreans are bad and evil.

It is reported in western msm therefore it’s the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I get it.

 

No, you don't get it. You're just making things up again

[Gweiloman]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It is reported in western msm therefore it’s the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I get it.

 

No, you don't get it. You're just making things up again

Whether I get it or not, you are more boring than a broken record.

[CatCage]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps it's not true.

 

Perhaps it is true!  They lost a couple of hundred at least in just one ATACMS strike: 

 

ATACMS Volley Strikes Mass Of Russian Troops Training In Eastern Ukraine

A new video emerged on social media showing an apparent cluster munition-laden Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) short-range ballistic attack on a mass of Russian troops and equipment in Eastern Ukraine's Luhansk Oblast. Drone video shows what appears to be a volley of four ATACMS striking over about 95 seconds on a Russian training and coordination center near the town of Kuban. That's located about 80 kilometers (50 miles) from Ukrainian lines. 

 

https://www.twz.com/land/atacms-volley-strikes-mass-of-russian-troops-training-in-eastern-ukraine

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/02/hundreds-of-russian-troops-gathered-out-in-the-open-they-didnt-know-the-ukrainians-had-aimed-four-atacms-rockets-at-them/?sh=34d77bba1a2e

 

Or is this not true as well?

 

 

Edited May 4 by CatCage

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Whether I get it or not, you are more boring than a broken record.

Stumped and can't manage anything on topic so you opt for personal insults. 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, CatCage said:

 

Perhaps it is true!  They lost a couple of hundred at least in just one ATACMS strike: 

 

ATACMS Volley Strikes Mass Of Russian Troops Training In Eastern Ukraine

A new video emerged on social media showing an apparent cluster munition-laden Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) short-range ballistic attack on a mass of Russian troops and equipment in Eastern Ukraine's Luhansk Oblast. Drone video shows what appears to be a volley of four ATACMS striking over about 95 seconds on a Russian training and coordination center near the town of Kuban. That's located about 80 kilometers (50 miles) from Ukrainian lines. 

 

https://www.twz.com/land/atacms-volley-strikes-mass-of-russian-troops-training-in-eastern-ukraine

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/02/hundreds-of-russian-troops-gathered-out-in-the-open-they-didnt-know-the-ukrainians-had-aimed-four-atacms-rockets-at-them/?sh=34d77bba1a2e

 

 

If it's on social media it must be true, right? AI was never invented apparently.

Even if it's true, 2 hundred is a long way short of 6,000, is it not?

 

If it is true, Ukraine can expect a lot of dead civilians shortly. Two can play that game. Russia isn't like Gaza with nothing to reply with.

[Gweiloman]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Stumped and can't manage anything on topic so you opt for personal insults. 

Like I said, b o r I n g…

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

Like I said, b o r I n g…

 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Stumped and can't manage anything on topic so you opt for personal insults. 

 

[CatCage]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If it's on social media it must be true, right? AI was never invented apparently.

Even if it's true, 2 hundred is a long way short of 6,000, is it not?

 

If it is true, Ukraine can expect a lot of dead civilians shortly. Two can play that game. Russia isn't like Gaza with nothing to reply with.

 

Forbes and War Zone is social media. RIGHT...... !!! 

[jvs]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Actually, I don’t care about making Putin look good or whether he is good or bad. What I believe (and you can have your own beliefs as well, that’s fine with me) is that this conflict could have been easily avoided but was instigated by America to weaken Russia. It is well documented that NATO expansion eastwards was a red line for Russia and previous European leaders had been against it. But as America holds sway in NATO, the expansion continued right up to the borders of Russia. 
 

You surely can’t be so blind as to see that Russia won’t consider it a threat. How do you think any country would react if an adversary were to station troops and weapons next to their borders? Try not to be hypocritical when answering, although I doubt you would as it would show your narrative to be flawed.

Were you in Russia to see how the sanctions are affecting normal Russian people? Or are you relying on western media reports? Surely you are not that naive and gullible to accept everything you read as the gospel truth?

 

Let’s revisit this claim that Russia will run out of money by the end of this summer. I doubt it very much, especially coming from you as you don’t even seem to know what proper nouns are, much less world economics.

Ok a lot of things here.

First of all there is no need to make me look stupid for making spelling mistakes here.

English is not my first language but i can converse quite fluently in 5 languages,how many languages do you speak?

The whole meaning of NATO is very well documented and published and it is very clear that NATO is not going to expand by force,never!

A big NATO force for instance in Poland but in between Poland and Russia there is the Ukraine.

So by attacking the Ukraine the Russian themselves are moving closer to the NATO border.

Remember Sweden and Finland?They wanted to stay neutral but the attack by Russia on the Ukraine made them change their minds.That is also on Putin himself.He just created another 1000 km of direct border with NATO.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/10/1071766987/u-s-russia-dicuss-ukraine-can-diplomacy-help-avoid-a-military-confrontation

Here is a bit more info on it but i am well aware you don't like links.

Right up to the day of the attack Russia said they would not attack the Ukraine.

Reality is different.

Our views on this are different and that is fine with me , opportunity for debate

I am not relying solely on Western media at all.I watched many videos from inside Russia by normal everyday Russian people and those are the ones saying things are getting really bad.

Go listen to the opinions of the people there regarding the recent flooding.

So i think i have answered most of your questions,please be so kind to respond to what we talked about before?Remember about the gas?Natural gas prices are going down all over the world.Yes the West has been very stupid to rely on Russian gas for their heating.Putin was going to use this as leverage to influence the West,it backfired on him big time!

Thanks to Putin the switch to other resources is now being sped up and many(new) houses in Europe are no longer connected to the gas net.

No link but it is easily found if you look for it.

I am not so gullible and naive to believe everything i read,are you?

I do a lot of searching online on both sides of the line.

Yes we will see if Russia will run out of money.

You last sentence just shows a lot about you.

Edited May 4 by jvs