Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I don’t know what Putin propagandists would love. Do you have a link?

 

The longer the conflict goes on, the better for my personal circumstances.

Which are?

[Jingthing]

This might be a must read for those interested in how fascist dictator Putin has radically transformed Russia and threatens the west. This is much much bigger than just about Ukraine. 

 

https://archive.ph/9XHEq

 

MOSCOW — As Vladimir Putin persists in his bloody campaign to conquer Ukraine, the Russian leader is directing an equally momentous transformation at home — re-engineering his country into a regressive, militarized society that views the West as its mortal enemy.

Putin’s inauguration on Tuesday for a fifth term will not only mark his 25-year-long grip on power but also showcase Russia’s shift into what pro-Kremlin commentators call a “revolutionary power,” set on upending the global order, making its own rules, and demanding that totalitarian autocracy be respected as a legitimate alternative to democracy in a world redivided by big powers into spheres of influence.

Edited May 7 by Jingthing

[Gweiloman]

26 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

 

They don't have the range to attack the main oil production areas in West Siberia.  If they did manage to reach a target 2,000+km away, then I'd imagine things would escalate even further very quickly.

 

Russia Oil Map (carnegieendowment.org)

 

Edit:

The same goes for the main gas producing regions.  (Note the lack of any real pipeline network to China, something that is seriously hindering Russia's ability to sell gas on a major scale).

Main present and perspective Russian production regions | Download Scientific Diagram (researchgate.net)

 

There is the Power of Siberia and construction of Power of Siberia 2 is expected to commence sometime this year.

[Gweiloman]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Which are?

Personal. 
 

Any link to what Putin propagandists love?

[Gweiloman]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

This might be a must read for those interested in how fascist dictator Putin has radically transformed Russia and threatens the west. This is much much bigger than just about Ukraine. 

 

https://archive.ph/9XHEq

 

MOSCOW — As Vladimir Putin persists in his bloody campaign to conquer Ukraine, the Russian leader is directing an equally momentous transformation at home — re-engineering his country into a regressive, militarized society that views the West as its mortal enemy.

Putin’s inauguration on Tuesday for a fifth term will not only mark his 25-year-long grip on power but also showcase Russia’s shift into what pro-Kremlin commentators call a “revolutionary power,” set on upending the global order, making its own rules, and demanding that totalitarian autocracy be respected as a legitimate alternative to democracy in a world redivided by big powers into spheres of influence.

Preaching to the choir.

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Preaching to the choir.

Do you deny what is happening in Russia?

[Jingthing]

17 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Personal. 
 

Any link to what Putin propagandists love?

You would know.

[Mavideol]

Putin and his famous nonsense threats, they worked some time ago now everybody laughs

Russia threatens to strike British military sites over Cameron’s Ukraine weapons pledge

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-threatens-strike-british-military-200057991.html

[Mavideol]

Russian Speedboat Destroyed in Overnight Drone Attack in Crimea, Ukraine Says

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russian-speedboat-destroyed-overnight-drone-093401855.html

 

 

 

[johng]

And predictably he will act all surprised and outraged if/when Russia targets British-supplied weapons whilst they are still in Britain.

On 5/3/2024 at 11:06 AM, Bkk Brian said:

That's about as ridiculous as saying that Ukraine will target North Korea or Iran who supply weapons for Russia to use

 

A few moments later...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13387683/Moscow-threatens-strike-British-military-targets-Ukraine-abroad.html

 

Moscow has threatened to strike British military targets in Ukraine and elsewhere if it finds Kyiv's forces used British-supplied long-range missiles to strike Russia.

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, johng said:

And predictably he will act all surprised and outraged if/when Russia targets British-supplied weapons whilst they are still in Britain.

 

A few moments later...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13387683/Moscow-threatens-strike-British-military-targets-Ukraine-abroad.html

 

Moscow has threatened to strike British military targets in Ukraine and elsewhere if it finds Kyiv's forces used British-supplied long-range missiles to strike Russia.

 

Where does your link say Russia will target British-supplied weapons whilst they are still in Britain? Its says possibly abroad but have you not thought about where those weapons have to travel to get to Ukraine, Poland.

[johng]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Where does your link say Russia will target British-supplied weapons whilst they are still in Britain?

The Russian foreign ministry summoned British Ambassador Nigel Casey (right) to the Kremlin on Monday and warned him that if Ukrainian forces use British weaponry to attack Russia, Moscow could hit 'any UK military facility and equipment on Ukrainian territory and beyond

 

"and beyond"  in my view means including on British soil

 

then we also have this earlier bit of news

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13386907/Russia-stepping-plans-unleash-violent-acts-sabotage-Europe-including-bombings-arson-attacks-intelligence-agencies-warn-wave-arrests-Moscow-operatives.html

 

 

Do you think the Russians might be trying to tell us something ??

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, johng said:

The Russian foreign ministry summoned British Ambassador Nigel Casey (right) to the Kremlin on Monday and warned him that if Ukrainian forces use British weaponry to attack Russia, Moscow could hit 'any UK military facility and equipment on Ukrainian territory and beyond

 

"and beyond"  in my view means including on British soil

 

then we also have this earlier bit of news

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13386907/Russia-stepping-plans-unleash-violent-acts-sabotage-Europe-including-bombings-arson-attacks-intelligence-agencies-warn-wave-arrests-Moscow-operatives.html

 

 

Do you think the Russians might be trying to tell us something ??

Do you think the Russians might be trying to tell us something ??

 

Yes, they are spitting their dummies out and issuing another worthless and baseless threat just as they continue doing from the start of their illegal invasion. 

[johng]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

issuing another worthless and baseless threat just as they continue doing from the start of their illegal invasion. 

Well it seems to me they carried out the  worthless and baseless threat of taking control of Crimea and then the Donbas region...

 

After this very clear warning will you be as surprised and outraged as Cameron will be  when "something"  happens ?

 

Russia's foreign ministry said Lord Cameron's remarks recognised that Britain was now de-facto a part of the conflict and contradicted an earlier assurance that long-range weapons given to Ukraine would not be used against Russia.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Well it seems to me they carried out the  worthless and baseless threat of taking control of Crimea and then the Donbas region...

 

After this very clear warning will you be as surprised and outraged as Cameron will be  when "something"  happens ?

 

Russia's foreign ministry said Lord Cameron's remarks recognised that Britain was now de-facto a part of the conflict and contradicted an earlier assurance that long-range weapons given to Ukraine would not be used against Russia.

After this very clear warning will you be as surprised and outraged as Cameron will be  when "something"  happens

 

Yes I would be surprised if WW3 happened because that's what it would be if they carried out a strike on the UK. They would also not survive. In the meantime you carry on worrying, they issues these threats all the time.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 5/4/2024 at 6:35 PM, jas007 said:

 Off the top of my head, I think I remember seeing or reading about an interview with Trump about what he said to Putin about Ukraine. Trump told Putin that if Russia invaded Ukraine, the US would bomb the Kremlin. When I heard that, I found it hard o believe, but maybe Trump really did say that, and maybe Putin didn’t want to FAFO.

Well I don't remember any such thing. Do you have a link to a reliable source for that?

 

I have to say, it sounds highly unlikely to me, given that during his presidency, he thought that Ukraine should be part of Russia and when the invasion actually happened, he called Putin a genius for doing it. 

 

Donald Trump Trump thought Ukraine ‘must be part of Russia’ during presidency

 

Trump calls Putin ‘genius’ and ‘savvy’ for Ukraine invasion

[johng]

34 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

they issues these threats all the time.

Yes and "the collective west" don't ever seem to listen  until they carry out the treat  as we have seen in Crimea and now the Donbas...then they are surprised and outraged ...it's not as though they didn't say 

plain as day "if you do this we will do that"  they have said it again and again  now they are actually doing it...and yes I am concerned  I think you should be too..unless you have a spot in the Zuckerburg fallout shelter.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/4/2024 at 11:35 PM, jas007 said:

 Off the top of my head, I think I remember seeing or reading about an interview with Trump about what he said to Putin about Ukraine. Trump told Putin that if Russia invaded Ukraine, the US would bomb the Kremlin. When I heard that, I found it hard o believe, but maybe Trump really did say that, and maybe Putin didn’t want to FAFO.

It's OK. I remember things that turn out to not have happened as well. Something to do with old age I suspect. Half the time I don't know if it's something that actually happened or if I dreamed it.

 

Somehow I doubt that Trump wants to die in MAD any more than anyone else.

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, johng said:

Yes and "the collective west" don't ever seem to listen  until they carry out the treat  as we have seen in Crimea and now the Donbas...then they are surprised and outraged ...it's not as though they didn't say 

plain as day "if you do this we will do that"  they have said it again and again  now they are actually doing it...and yes I am concerned  I think you should be too..unless you have a spot in the Zuckerburg fallout shelter.

Like I said, great Russian talking point for you, worry about their threats, that's exactly what they want you to do. Enjoy

[GroveHillWanderer]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Western world has IMO gone insane. Sending billions to a country they have no treaty with, no obligations to, and needing that money to be spent on their own citizens/ defense etc.

Why are you peddling this falsehood? The US is not sending billions of dollars to Ukraine. The vast majority of the funds approved by the Senate will be spent in the US.

 

Quote

90% of Ukraine aid spending stays in the U.S., creating thousands of jobs

 

What the U.S. Has to Gain from Supporting Ukraine

Edited May 7 by GroveHillWanderer

[johng]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

Putin and his famous nonsense threats, they worked some time ago now everybody laughs

 

Those laughing might like to stop for a moment and remember that Putin /Russia  has the largest stock pile of nuclear weapons on earth

as well as a very large conventional weapons stockpile, has ramped up military production lines the last couple of years and has millions of men to call up for military service if they need to.

[jvs]

14 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Why are you peddling this falsehood? The US is not sending billions of dollars to Ukraine. The vast majority of the funds approved by the Senate will be spent in the US.

 

 

What the U.S. Has to Gain from Supporting Ukraine

He has been told and it has been explained to him a few times.

 

[Jingthing]

55 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Those laughing might like to stop for a moment and remember that Putin /Russia  has the largest stock pile of nuclear weapons on earth

as well as a very large conventional weapons stockpile, has ramped up military production lines the last couple of years and has millions of men to call up for military service if they need to.

So you're saying cave?

Good thing people like you didn't dominate during WW2.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Like I said, great Russian talking point for you, worry about their threats, that's exactly what they want you to do. Enjoy

Exactly.

That's their game and it's been working too well.

The west has been too afraid to help Ukraine actually win instead of just not lose.

That's gotta change. 

[Wobblybob]

1 hour ago, johng said:

 

Those laughing might like to stop for a moment and remember that Putin /Russia  has the largest stock pile of nuclear weapons on earth

as well as a very large conventional weapons stockpile, has ramped up military production lines the last couple of years and has millions of men to call up for military service if they need to.

So basically because Putin has stockpiles of nuclear weapons he's allowed to invade other sovereign countries, is that what you're saying?

"Dictators can be deterred, they can be crushed, but they can never be appeased!" { Margaret Thatcher}.

[johng]

7 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

So basically because Putin has stockpiles of nuclear weapons he's allowed to invade other sovereign countries, is that what you're saying?

No he is not allowed he "just does it"  same as America was not allowed to invade Vietnam,Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan  but "just did it"   same as Israel is not allowed to invade Gaza  but "just does it", those wielding the nuclear bomb "just do it"   Thatcher "just did it" with the Falkland isles..Cameron thinks he can take on the worlds largest nuclear power

[transam]

4 minutes ago, johng said:

No he is not allowed he "just does it"  same as America was not allowed to invade Vietnam,Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan  but "just did it"   same as Israel is not allowed to invade Gaza  but "just does it", those wielding the nuclear bomb "just do it"   Thatcher "just did it" with the Falkland isles..Cameron thinks he can take on the worlds largest nuclear power

What a load............

[johng]

37 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The west has been too afraid to help Ukraine actually win instead of just not lose.

That's gotta change.

Ukraine never stood a chance...except at the very beginning..but those peace talks where scuppered by Boris Johnson.

A US  NATO war against Russia isn't something I want..I'd rather Ukraine give up the land they already lost sign a peace deal and stop the killing.

[Wobblybob]

9 minutes ago, johng said:

No he is not allowed he "just does it"  same as America was not allowed to invade Vietnam,Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan  but "just did it"   same as Israel is not allowed to invade Gaza  but "just does it", those wielding the nuclear bomb "just do it"   Thatcher "just did it" with the Falkland isles..Cameron thinks he can take on the worlds largest nuclear power

Whataboutery! 

[johng]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

What a load............

A load of intercontinental ballistic nuclear missiles yes exactly !!!