Popular Post trainman34014 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 Can't scrap the deal; too many bungs been paid out already ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hotchilli Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 7 hours ago, webfact said: This month brings a make-or-break meeting for the Thai Navy’s deal to buy a Chinese-made submarine, with delivery threatened by the fading chance of China getting German top-end engines as stipulated in the contract. Cancel the deal and help the people of Thailand rebuild their lives. Thailand is not at war, is not in danger and does not need submarines. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hotchilli Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 6 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: Looks like the money can be removed from the table and the losses if any can be chalked up to doing business without a guarantee. I mean they could buy a couple of hamster cages with the wheels inside and use the hamsters as the power turbine or even put a few exercise bikes inside with a chain reaching out to the screws..... Ole fatty could do with some exercise. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Great opportunity to get out from under this white elephant of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 ...transfer two decommissioned Chinese submarines to Thailand This would be the diesel-electric attack Song-class Type 039 submarine (NATO Yuan class). There have been three successive models so not identified which one. The latest was the Type 039G1 built in 2004. Type 039 uses three German MTU diesel engines. German MTU would certify the engines in transfer of subject Song subs to Thailand. Depending on the model type, this offer might meet Thailand military's (not necessarily synonomous with Thailand people's) needs. Remember, funds had already been approved years ago after the Thailand military coup. But it's not clear if any cost for renovation/upgrade to current standards is included to meet MTU certification; nor whether the two submarines would be offered free, 2 for 1 original contract cost or a face-saving minimal fee for the two. See https://thethaiger.com/news/bangkok dated February 7, 2022 As Thailand government in one instance had declared it was neutral regarding the Russian war with Ukraine, some kind of deal might still be done. A 2 for 1 deal would be clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesinnz Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I am sure Lifan can knock up a copy.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Dialemco said: Does Thailand really need submarines? Probably not just cancel and use money wisely to stimulate the economy. There could be some truth in this statement. Not necessarily to stimulate the Economy, but to help save it. Its a bit strange why the Thais are rejecting all the assistance the Chinese are offering to make this deal work. Not being able to supply the Engines or acceptable alternatives would provide a cop out of the deal with no face lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xonax Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) A Submarine without engines, is not worse than an Aircraft-Carrier without Airplanes. Edited April 5, 2022 by Xonax 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geisha Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Maybe it’s a good excuse for the Thai government to refuse the order ? Lack of funds in difficult times ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Better to buy some Turkish drones.................which would have a civilian or civil defence role too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sawadee1947 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 The Admiral tried to be very smart. They visited the German shipyard some years ago and were impressed by German engineering. However the Admiral thought himself to be very clever to let the Chinese build the sub. Unfortunately he overestimated his cleverness and IQ. So now he's in <deleted> and the Thais will have to pay the bill.???????? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millcx Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Trying to put this into perspective … Submarines built by Chinese 55555555555 … Time to start throwing Ukrainians and Taiwanese into jail and can barter … World sees the ten faces of Thailand … Russian Chinese Puppets it is then 555555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 7 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said: That's going to be hard since the Germans will not supply the engines to the Chinese. ???? because chose the wrong side and incorrect words in the Russia war VS Ukraine.... it's a start as Chinese will suffer more draw backs due to their attitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Hayduke said: Great news. The Generals can now pocket 100% of the money (instead of the usual 40%) and blame the whole terrible ‘misunderstanding’ on those unfriendly, uncooperative Germans. Pacta sunt servanda, I learnt in school in GerMoney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger70 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 What's the problem ? No mention Why the Germans don't want to supply the Requested engines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overt2016 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 57 minutes ago, Xonax said: A Submarine without engines, is not worse than an Aircraft-Carrier without Airplanes. I'm pretty sure the aircraftt carrier is planeless and engineless. Why then has it been doced all this time. If it was functionable surely it would used with other navy ships on training exercises. Something is not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, overt2016 said: I'm pretty sure the aircraftt carrier is planeless and engineless. Why then has it been doced all this time. If it was functionable surely it would used with other navy ships on training exercises. Something is not right. for the past 8 years nothing has been right, it will not start now ..... trains, planes, subs, aircraft carrier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexxter Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 8 hours ago, DrJack54 said: They could always just do as Australia did to France. "We don't want that anymore. We had change of heart" That is what happens when a country tries to sell substandard products. France tried to sell cr@ppy subs to Australia. China is trying to sell cr@ppy subs to Thailand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willr Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Why wouldn't just source them out of Thailand, MTU Asia, Diesel and turbine, ship engines.suppliers. Maybe not enough cut to go around me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 9 hours ago, VocalNeal said: MTU is owned by Rolls Royce But who is Rolls Royce owned by? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Holdings Kongsberg In July 2018, Rolls-Royce sold its commercial marine business to Kongsberg for £500 million. So it IS those nasty old Germans and not us cuddly Brits. ???? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 4 hours ago, Misterwhisper said: AND they own RR. Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 A post with a derogatory trolling reference to the French people has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwonitoy Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Misterwhisper said: Oh for goodness' sake! Just install a large rubber band in place of a complicated German engine and be done with it. At least the glorious Thai Navy will know how to operate it. I'd go with Kubota single cylinder diesels, many many of them. Edited April 5, 2022 by kwonitoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I wonder if the Chinese are aware that all those German engines have integrated circuit boards made in... Taiwan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hanuman2543 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 3 hours ago, digger70 said: What's the problem ? No mention Why the Germans don't want to supply the Requested engines. Germany does not export military or dual use hardware to dictatorships. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Let us hope RTN chief Admiral Somprasong Nilsamai utterly fails with this fools mission. Thailand needs submarines like Iceland needs aircraft carriers. Nobody is talking about how Thailand has not had a sub for over 60 years, why they need them, who the threats are, how they will be piloted, how they will be maintained, nor what the annual albatross budget will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 26 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Let us hope RTN chief Admiral Somprasong Nilsamai utterly fails with this fools mission. Thailand needs submarines like Iceland needs aircraft carriers. Nobody is talking about how Thailand has not had a sub for over 60 years, why they need them, who the threats are, how they will be piloted, how they will be maintained, nor what the annual albatross budget will be. Maybe they could dispatch a salvaging expedition to Koh Chang. I hear nearly the entire Thai Navy is lying there off-shore, sunk courtesy of the French in 1941. Might be possible to retrieve a couple of old engines there and restore them. Good enough for second-hand Chinese junk subs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernietravelling Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, JonnyF said: It's not like they're going to use the subs anyway, the water is too shallow. Maybe, you compare the Thai submarine with a Virgina Class sub… However, the Thai waters aren’t too shallow. The German navy is operating since dozens of years in the shallow waters of the Baltic Sea. The problem with that is another one: It requires well trained, experienced and disciplined submariners, navigating carefully and knowledgeable to differentiate the many sonar reflections when sailing near the bottom. By the way: The Chinese sold them old technology, when selling them simple diesel motors. ???? German navy scrapped those already 15 years ago…. The comparable 212A class has also a MTU 396 with 1050kW - but used only as generator driving a Permasyn electric motor, when snorkeling or on the surface. Submerged, they use an air-independent fuel cell … Edited April 5, 2022 by Bernietravelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikeith Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 17 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: Looks like the money can be removed from the table and the losses if any can be chalked up to doing business without a guarantee. I mean they could buy a couple of hamster cages with the wheels inside and use the hamsters as the power turbine or even put a few exercise bikes inside with a chain reaching out to the screws..... They could use Russian engines, Germany probably won't suplly China as they continue to not side with the crazy USA politicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 13 hours ago, Dialemco said: Does Thailand really need submarines? Probably not just cancel and use money wisely to stimulate the economy. What , rob the elite of further wealth for the greater good , absurd suggestion. What next , real democracy ? , oh the horror ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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