Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

What is the battery chemistry?

 

The Mrs said the guy in the shop said is was a 'bus' battery.

 

Probably a 48v 20A lead acid. I'll take a look.

Edited May 24 by owl sees all

[JBChiangRai]

5 minutes ago, Rotweiler said:

To add to the ICE us ...  debate....  from CNN

 

https://us.cnn.com/2024/05/23/us/video/nissan-murano-fire-cprog-digvid

 

Two months ago, S&P downgraded Nissan's credit rating to Junk, I think you would need to be very brave to buy a Nissan currently.

[Andrew Dwyer]

1 hour ago, transam said:

So if your home charger has a problem, you are stuck.......?   🤔

Nope, I plug the car into the mains or go to one of the many chargers nearby.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

If of course you live away from the main highway or not in a bigger city, as many people do, then the charging coverage is not so great nationally. It may take several years and require a huge investment to upgrade the PEA national network before it can be said to be truly nationwide.

Disagree with that assessment, as O&A quite a bit, and off the beaten track, and no problems.  There is little if any holes in the 'network' within 100 kms radius of most people's homes.   If you top up before leaving the house, and on the return, then there is no issues with lack of CSs.

 

Uncommon common sense really.  Don't have to do the math in your head, use a calculator of the car will tell you ... go figure.

 

When we return home, I top up 250 kms away, if needed, as like returning with about 20% battery reserve, so I top up at home with the solar.  Saving almost ฿300 ... yay, free lunch.

[transam]

12 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Nope, I plug the car into the mains or go to one of the many chargers nearby.

Nearby.........Great, but that wasn't the answer I was looking for to my question..🤗

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

If your fuel pump breaks you are stuck.  If there is an alien invasion you are stuck, any more useless comments Troll?

Shh ... don't tell him most have 2 charging options at home.   We need comic relief whenever it's available.

 

If his wife is away from the house with the family Celerio ... he's stuck any way ... 

 

I see I haven't missed much by utilizing the ignore function of the forum.   Does make for a quick read though.

Edited May 24 by KhunLA

[ExpatOilWorker]

4 hours ago, mistral53 said:

I don't know whether this was already posted - certainly interesting trend, if month to month can be labeled as 'trend':

 

https://www.autofun.co.th/news/ev-sales-in-thailand-april-2024-79386

Will certainly be interesting to see May's sales numbers.

Some of our senior EV friends are struggling with precentage. To comprehend negative precentage, is like asking Joe the plumber to solve Maxwell's Equation. 

[JBChiangRai]

4 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Will certainly be interesting to see May's sales numbers.

Some of our senior EV friends are struggling with precentage. To comprehend negative precentage, is like asking Joe the plumber to solve Maxwell's Equation. 

 

Easily solved with a silver hammer.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Shh ... don't tell him most have 2 charging options at home.   We need comic relief whenever it's available.

 

If his wife is away from the house with the family Celerio ... he's stuck any way ... 

 

I see I haven't missed much by utilizing the ignore function of the forum.   Does make for a quick read though.

So, you can't answer it either, not surprised though.......🤗

[billd766]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

But that's not what you said, you now mention the energy grid not being able to cope.

 

The average EV uses 4kwHr of energy per day, it is not difficult for the grid to cope with that and the grid will probably be enhanced at a faster rate than uptake of EV's.

If as you say one EV uses 4kw/h per day to charge, then 1,000 EV will use 4,000 kw/h of electricity across the country.

 

According to this link https://washingtondc.thaiembassy.org/en/content/number-of-electric-vehicles-in-thailand-quadrupled

 

there are over 70,000 EV on the road which will consume over 280,000 kw/h of electricity per day and every if every EV on the road consumes that much or that little, where does the extra power come from.

 

quote from your post "it is not difficult for the grid to cope with that and the grid will probably be enhanced at a faster rate than uptake of EV's." Have you actually seen or heard of any expansion plans to enhance the MEA and PEA network?

 

Locally I have seen the PEA out working on the power grid most days but I don't know if they are expanding the grid or just relocating some of it.

 

I have not read anywhere that there are new power stations being built and a power station, no matter what fuel it uses takes a long time in years to build from the original decision to actually supplying power to the network.

 

In the real world Norway seems to be in the lead simply because they use hydro power. IMO solar is OK for a small scale but fossil fuels need to be shipped to a site and the left over waste needs to be removed and disposed of.

 

EVs themselves are not the problem, until it comes to disposing of them. The main problem is charging them, and the more EVs that come onto the roads currently will need more and more power to charge them.

 

That is why Thailand is playing catch up.

[Andrew Dwyer]

27 minutes ago, transam said:

Nearby.........Great, but that wasn't the answer I was looking for to my question..🤗

Your question:

” So if your home charger has a problem, you are stuck.......? “

My answer:

”Nope, I plug the car into the mains…… “

 

What more info do you need ??

 

As usual your questions are answered but you don’t understand the answer .

Edited May 24 by Andrew Dwyer

[Rimmer]

A personal attack has been removed, calling another member a troll is a personal attack, so don't do it.

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

What is the battery chemistry?

 

One vendor gives you the option, different spec'd lead-acid, model dependent, or can swap out and order lithium ... Chemistry still ? mark, but contact before ordering, for those interested.

... "1. The 60V32AH Lead-acid battery-powered e rickshaw can run the range anxiety of 30km. If you wants use Lithium-Ion battery we also can supply for you."

 

Of course an intelligent person would just order from a local DECO dealer, who offers removable / swappable batteries on some models.  Comes with option of 1 or 2 batteries, and if wanting to extend your range, could actually buy extra batteries.   

 

It really isn't rocket science ... extra large fuel tanks on ICEV, extra large or more batteries for EV, if applicable.  

 

Although if I'm going that far, I'll just take the car 

 

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Your question:

” So if your home charger has a problem, you are stuck.......? “

My answer:

”Nope, I plug the car into the mains…… “

 

What more info do you need ??

 

As usual your questions are answered but you don’t understand the answer .

Are you saying there is an override cable with a 3 pin plug to plug into the house circuit, that does not use the wall charger that is fitted to the house...

If so, does it connect to a different connection point on the car...🙃

[Andrew Dwyer]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you saying there is an override cable with a 3 pin plug to plug into the house circuit, that does not use the wall charger that is fitted to the house...

If so, does it connect to a different connection point on the car...🙃

My home charger was supplied and installed by the dealer, it uses a secondary circuit from the house electrics (TOU meter) and gives me 1/2 price electricity at most times.

 

Until this was all up and running i used the charging cable, also supplied by the dealer, into a standard wall socket. ( actually i have two of these as i bought one that will work with no earth present, necessary at the mil’s )

 

Both the wall charger and the granny charger ( yup, it’s not too fast ) plug into the same point on the car.

[transam]

Just now, Andrew Dwyer said:

My home charger was supplied and installed by the dealer, it uses a secondary circuit from the house electrics (TOU meter) and gives me 1/2 price electricity at most times.

 

Until this was all up and running i used the charging cable, also supplied by the dealer, into a standard wall socket. ( actually i have two of these as i bought one that will work with no earth present, necessary at the mil’s )

 

Both the wall charger and the granny charger ( yup, it’s not too fast ) plug into the same point on the car.

Riiiiiiiiiight, so let's get back to my question, if the actual charger fails, and you are nowhere near a charge station, you are stuffed.....?  😛

[Andrew Dwyer]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Riiiiiiiiiight, so let's get back to my question, if the actual charger fails, and you are nowhere near a charge station, you are stuffed.....?  😛

Nope, I plug the other charging cable into the standard wall socket !!

[josephbloggs]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Riiiiiiiiiight, so let's get back to my question, if the actual charger fails, and you are nowhere near a charge station, you are stuffed.....?  😛

If your wall box failed you plug it in to any normal socket instead. Not stuffed, but slow.

If the actual charger on the car failed you would need to have the car taken to be fixed I would imagine. Likewise if your clutch failed, or your gearbox seized, or your petrol cap jammed.

Just more stupid "what ifs" really. Pointless and irritating.

Or do ICEVs just keep on working 100% of the time for 100% of the people?

Guess what, my wife drove our Honda HR-V (ICEV) home last week and parked it. The next morning it was dead. Stuck in park. No electrics (not even the horn would work). We needed two trucks to get it moved and taken back to Honda.  So what if that happens? Should I go posting in ICEV threads to ask what you do with your ICEV if that happens?

What if what if what if what if. Yawn yawn yawn yawn.

[JBChiangRai]

28 minutes ago, billd766 said:

If as you say one EV uses 4kw/h per day to charge, then 1,000 EV will use 4,000 kw/h of electricity across the country.

 

According to this link https://washingtondc.thaiembassy.org/en/content/number-of-electric-vehicles-in-thailand-quadrupled

 

there are over 70,000 EV on the road which will consume over 280,000 kw/h of electricity per day and every if every EV on the road consumes that much or that little, where does the extra power come from.

 

quote from your post "it is not difficult for the grid to cope with that and the grid will probably be enhanced at a faster rate than uptake of EV's." Have you actually seen or heard of any expansion plans to enhance the MEA and PEA network?

 

Locally I have seen the PEA out working on the power grid most days but I don't know if they are expanding the grid or just relocating some of it.

 

I have not read anywhere that there are new power stations being built and a power station, no matter what fuel it uses takes a long time in years to build from the original decision to actually supplying power to the network.

 

In the real world Norway seems to be in the lead simply because they use hydro power. IMO solar is OK for a small scale but fossil fuels need to be shipped to a site and the left over waste needs to be removed and disposed of.

 

EVs themselves are not the problem, until it comes to disposing of them. The main problem is charging them, and the more EVs that come onto the roads currently will need more and more power to charge them.

 

That is why Thailand is playing catch up.

 

Thailand has made huge advances in its grid in recent years, in the case of solar they have added 1,500 MW of solar from one company alone (Loxley, where I spent a couple of years as Sales Director) and they are intending to double that.

 

1,500 MW will supply those 280,000 KwHr's in 12 minutes if the sun is shining (assuming I have understood the terms correctly).

[transam]

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

If your wall box failed you plug it in to any normal socket instead. Not stuffed, but slow.

If the actual charger on the car failed you would need to have the car taken to be fixed I would imagine. Likewise if your clutch failed, or your gearbox seized, or your petrol cap jammed.

Just more stupid "what ifs" really. Pointless and irritating.

Or do ICEVs just keep on working 100% of the time for 100% of the people?

Guess what, my wife drove our Honda HR-V (ICEV) home last week and parked it. The next morning it was dead. Stuck in park. No electrics (not even the horn would work). We needed two trucks to get it moved and taken back to Honda.  So what if that happens? Should I go posting in ICEV threads to ask what you do with your ICEV if that happens?

What if what if what if what if. Yawn yawn yawn yawn.

Thanks for the answer, the rest of your nonsense is ignored.

 

It is a shame you EV-ers have your heads stuck so far up where the sun don't shine, it is crazy, can't answer simple questions.......Sheeesh...

[josephbloggs]

4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Thailand has made huge advances in its grid in recent years, in the case of solar they have added 1,500 MW of solar from one company alone (Loxley, where I spent a couple of years as Sales Director) and they are intending to double that.

Interesting. I worked for Loxley for 3-4 years when I first came to Thailand. 

[JBChiangRai]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Thanks for the answer, the rest of your nonsense is ignored.

 

It is a shame you EV-ers have your heads stuck so far up where the sun don't shine, it is crazy, can't answer simple questions.......Sheeesh...

 

I think you'll find most people don't want to respond to your posts.

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Interesting. I worked for Loxley for 3-4 years when I first came to Thailand. 

 

I retired here in 2007, they were a client of my software house in the UK and I agreed to do a year with them in 2009 and ended up doing 2 years with them.  Unusual management style.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I think you'll find most people don't want to respond to your posts.

Because they don't like the answers they must give, perhaps, but I don't care, it is just annoying that a few of you must flame instead of answering......🤔

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Thanks for the answer, the rest of your nonsense is ignored.

 

It is a shame you EV-ers have your heads stuck so far up where the sun don't shine, it is crazy, can't answer simple questions.......Sheeesh...

It is because the same "what ifs" keep coming round and they could easily be substituted for ICEV "what if" scenarios. ie. they are pointless. Rare events can happen to any type of vehicle.

You asked what if you were at home and the actual charger in your car somehow broke like you have found the great flaw in EVs! My answer, you get it collected and fixed.

What happens if your clutch packs in in your ICEV? You get it picked up and fixed. What happens if your gearbox disintegrates (happened on my WRX after my first set of mods)? You get it collected and fixed. Neither of those scenarios (or my recent Honda episode) are reasons not to buy an ICE, they are just rare events that can happen, just like your theoretical (and unlikely) "all of a sudden the charger breaks" scenario which you posted as though you've put the nail in the EV coffin.

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I retired here in 2007, they were a client of my software house in the UK and I agreed to do a year with them in 2009 and ended up doing 2 years with them.  Unusual management style.

Yes, that's them alright! I worked for them from 1995-1999 and then at a 50-50 JV company between them and another big Thai company for another 14-15 years. Very very unusual management style, bizarre in fact. And their JV partner was even worse.

Anyway I don't want to take it too far off topic - that is EOW's job.

[transam]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

It is because the same "what ifs" keep coming round and they could easily be substituted for ICEV "what if" scenarios. ie. they are pointless. Rare events can happen to any type of vehicle.

You asked what if you were at home and the actual charger in your car somehow broke like you have found the great flaw in EVs! My answer, you get it collected and fixed.

What happens if your clutch packs in in your ICEV? You get it picked up and fixed. What happens if your gearbox disintegrates (happened on my WRX after my first set of mods)? You get it collected and fixed. Neither of those scenarios (or my recent Honda episode) are reasons not to buy an ICE, they are just rare events that can happen, just like your theoretical (and unlikely) "all of a sudden the charger breaks" scenario which you posted as though you've put the nail in the EV coffin.

So you don't like to answer my questions, then IGNORE them, really easy.

 

Your post means nothing to me, I am quite aware of what can happen to ANY vehicle, but I am asking questions on an EV THREAD......Gawd 'elp us........🙄

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Two months ago, S&P downgraded Nissan's credit rating to Junk, I think you would need to be very brave to buy a Nissan currently.

Some Brands manage to recover from Junk status

10 years ago Tesla was down graded to Junk

https://money.cnn.com/2014/05/28/investing/tesla-junk-bond-rating/

Same applies to Ford and GM 

[ExpatOilWorker]

12 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes, that's them alright! I worked for them from 1995-1999 and then at a 50-50 JV company between them and another big Thai company for another 14-15 years. Very very unusual management style, bizarre in fact. And their JV partner was even worse.

Anyway I don't want to take it too far off topic - that is EOW's job.

You guys wander way more off topic that I ever did, with all your work talk, but it appears I have been zeroed out.

On the subject of EVs, I am sad to sad that another vehicle has been added to "the list". Documented with pictures and a new story, but I am afraid you will have to use Google for more information as I have been curtailed from sharing such factual information. 

It is a Tesla, so your Chinese toys are safe.

[josephbloggs]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

So you don't like to answer my questions, then IGNORE them, really easy.

That's an excellent idea!

 

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 our post means nothing to me, I am quite aware of what can happen to ANY vehicle, but I am asking questions on an EV THREAD......Gawd 'elp us........🙄

But it's not just asking a question about EVs. I have learned a ton in this thread due to people asking questions about EVs and EV owners answering them - in fact that was the whole reason for this thread in the first place before it got hijacked by the anti-EV brigade.

You asked if the charge didn't work and someone explained you can plug it in to any socket. You then expanded by taking it to "but what if your car charger didn't work"? That's not asking a question to learn, that is a leading question because you want the answer to be "then you are bricked" and you can feel you've won because you've found the flaw. I merely pointed out all cars can have single points of failure, nothing unique to EVs or ICEVs, although EVs have a lot less to go wrong.

Ask a genuine question and you'll get a helpful answer. But dreaming up "what ifs" to try and prove a misguided point is pointless. I don't even own an EV but it drives me insane.

Let me ask you a question: why are you so against EVs? Why do you and EOW scrape the internet to try and find things against them? I really don't get it.