5 hours ago, The Fall Guy said:

I think our wiring from meter to house is insufficient for having charger cable from mainboard. From talking to BYD salesman, it sounds like the installer will want to run new wires to house from the meter, and then to the charger. Salesman refers to it as "second circuit". I want to avoid this, & just put the charger by the meter, so probably less than 5m wires. We'll wait until the installer comes to do a site survey. If he insists on costly extra wiring, we'll continue with the slow charger that came with the car.

how insufficient? I recommend you check the wire size, is it 2x10sqmm or 2x16sqmm, etc. ?

I faced the same in my Bangkok house, since I'm an engineer I did all the house upgrade myself.

We had 2x16sqmm (line + neutral) on the standard meter (15/45A) it was enough for the house.

Once I added the 32A charger, I went ahead and upgrade all the way to 35sqmm wires. it was also 30 meters from meter to main board,

I had to buy a 100m roll which was 9,000 baht 6 years ago, today it's 16,000-20,000 baht after copper prices skyrocketed.

Do not wire a secondary cable from the PEA/MEA meter, really, do not do that.

instead figure out the how insufficient the cable is, is it borderline insufficient, or sufficient without having all the air conditioners or water heater running?

My recommendation, since it's only 30 meters, can even upgrade to 25sqmm that is not so expensive as 35sqmm.

or another option cheaper and simple, but not what I prefer personally: get another meter, wire a new 10sqmm wire or even 16sqmm for future proof.

17 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

how insufficient? I recommend you check the wire size, is it 2x10sqmm or 2x16sqmm, etc. ?

I faced the same in my Bangkok house, since I'm an engineer I did all the house upgrade myself.

We had 2x16sqmm (line + neutral) on the standard meter (15/45A) it was enough for the house.

Once I added the 32A charger, I went ahead and upgrade all the way to 35sqmm wires. it was also 30 meters from meter to main board,

I had to buy a 100m roll which was 9,000 baht 6 years ago, today it's 16,000-20,000 baht after copper prices skyrocketed.

Do not wire a secondary cable from the PEA/MEA meter, really, do not do that.

instead figure out the how insufficient the cable is, is it borderline insufficient, or sufficient without having all the air conditioners or water heater running?

My recommendation, since it's only 30 meters, can even upgrade to 25sqmm that is not so expensive as 35sqmm.

or another option cheaper and simple, but not what I prefer personally: get another meter, wire a new 10sqmm wire or even 16sqmm for future proof.

17 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

Wire from meter to the house is 25sq mm. Google says its good, but everything I read online about BYD charger installers seems to indicate they insist on 35sq mm. will see what installer says. Personally, I think our load is low. Fans during the day, shower from solar water heater.

53 minutes ago, The Fall Guy said:

Wire from meter to the house is 25sq mm. Google says its good, but everything I read online about BYD charger installers seems to indicate they insist on 35sq mm. will see what installer says. Personally, I think our load is low. Fans during the day, shower from solar water heater.

that is good news, a 25sqmm wire is certainly sufficient to carry 60-70A over your 30 meter with some acceptable voltage drop, maybe 5-10V at full load. which is fine, the charge will work fine at 210-220V, mine works above 190v LOL.

your house could have a 60A main breaker, maybe already have 50A I guess.

The BYD charger needs 32A, leaving you with a safe 20A for the house, and a maximum of 32A for short periods.

you can continue with Gemini...

You could ditch the BYD refusing to install it unless you pay up an upgrade, then maybe cheaper you and hire some good electrician to install it.

2 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

You could ditch the BYD refusing to install it unless you pay up an upgrade, then maybe cheaper you and hire some good electrician to install it.

Safety is most important, dont do something that could be unsafe. Always consult an expert, AI or ask the forums as last resort.

Also don't attempt yourself unless you're trained.

I'm also using the 1.8 kw charger for just one more year. Oh man... Its so bloody slow. it's everyday and whole night plugged. 😁

Edited June 10Jun 10 by brfsa2

I recommend doing what I did if you can.

In Chiang Rai I had an electrician put a 40 amp breaker on my consumer unit (it already has an earth leakage breaker) and bring the cable to a wall mounted 32 amp socket. That’s where I plug in my EV charger.

In Chiang Mai the sparky took a cable back to the meter and then fitted a 40 amp earth leakage breaker and a 32 amp socket on the garage wall.

If it’s not safe for the load, a qualified sparky won’t do it.

I don’t like these EV installers, they don’t make money on a free installation and look for ways to load you up with extras.

See weblink for full details

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-bev-register-thailand-may-2026/

Cumulative vehicle registrations for the Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV) group in May 2026 totaled 18,042 units (representing 29.2% of the total vehicle registrations in Thailand, which amounted to 61,830 units).

https://autolifethailand.tv/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/EV_Register_may_2026_Top30-copy.jpg

https://autolifethailand.tv/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/EV_Register_MAY_2026_THAILAND-table-scaled.jpg

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Pib

The new MG Urban is launching in Thailand tomorrow and it seems like we will actually get a version that is superior to the European version for once, and more similar to the Chinese version. The interior looks very nice.

What sets the Thai-produced version apart from the European one is the interior options, specifically in the MAX and ULTRA models:

• A large 15.6-inch central screen (12.8-inch in European specifications).

• Qualcomm Snapdragon 8155 processor (ULTRA model only)

• Seats with a built-in cooling system, controllable via mobile phone

• Full-panel panoramic glass roof and 256-color ambient lighting.

• Nicer vegan leather upholstery with a diamond stitch pattern.

It also comes with a full 7 airbags which is good because MG usually strip out the 7th centre airbag in the Thai versions (MG S5 and new MG 4).

6 minutes ago, matchar said:

The new MG Urban is launching in Thailand tomorrow

Has anyone asked why it looks like an MG ZS with haemorrhoids and learning difficulties ?

11 hours ago, matchar said:

1. A large 15.6-inch central screen (12.8-inch in European specifications).

2. Qualcomm Snapdragon 8155 processor (ULTRA model only)

3. Seats with a built-in cooling system, controllable via mobile phone

4. Full-panel panoramic glass roof and 256-color ambient lighting.

5. Nicer vegan leather upholstery with a diamond stitch pattern.

That is really good value thou, I'm impressed with MG adding that much into this budget car.

If the Ultra is under 699K that will be a hit! they could will price 599k, 649k, and 699k for the 3 models.

motor might not be as punchy as the Atto3 204ps, but I think most people are more than ok with 160PS.

with the smaller 42.8kWh battery it's 150PS, but still decent!

Edited June 17Jun 17 by brfsa2

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Has anyone asked why it looks like an MG ZS with haemorrhoids and learning difficulties ?

looks fine to me, specially how easy it looks to wash. practical people like me, appreciate those details :D

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Has anyone asked why it looks like an MG ZS with haemorrhoids and learning difficulties ?

More like the S5, with the sloping down front end. Top seller, S5, so why not stick with a winning design. Something in the budget range, for those that need more room for the family, than what the MG3 or 4 provide.

1 hour ago, brfsa2 said:

That is really good value thou, I'm impressed with MG adding that much into this budget car.

If the Ultra is under 699K that will be a hit! they could will price 599k, 649k, and 699k for the 3 models.

motor might not be as punchy as the Atto3 204ps, but I think most people are more than ok with 160PS.

with the smaller 42.8kWh battery it's 150PS, but still decent!

I agree but I think 699K is a bit high. At that price I would be leaning towards the Zeekr X for an extra 200K.

The base MG Urban is below the MG 4 and it also has to compete with the Geely EX2 so unless it's 499K or lower it won't be very competitive.

I'm going to predict 499K, 599K and 649K for the three variants.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by matchar

6 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Has anyone asked why it looks like an MG ZS with haemorrhoids and learning difficulties ?

looks fine to me, specially how easy it looks to wash. practical people like me, appreciate those details :D

OK - I know I'm going off topic slightly (considering this is an EV thread and my pish-take went below the radar)....

How does one car look easier to wash than another ? (assuming the height is the same) ?

And who washes their own car here anyway ?

(I guess I would if I was out in the sticks - had the right equipment and was too far away from a 200 baht car wash or shopping mall where they wash while you park - in over 25 years of car ownership here I've never washed my own car or motorcycle).

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

More like the S5, with the sloping down front end. Top seller, S5, so why not stick with a winning design. Something in the budget range, for those that need more room for the family, than what the MG3 or 4 provide.

I do hope some of those vehicles are fully autonomous - the blind might then buy them...

There are some outstanding looking EV's on the market - but also some absolute shockers - I know 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder and practicality and price matters' - but some of the proportions on those cars look very odd - one of them looks like it has the automotive equivalent of downs syndrome.

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I do hope some of those vehicles are fully autonomous - the blind might then buy them...

There are some outstanding looking EV's on the market - but also some absolute shockers - I know 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder and practicality and price matters' - but some of the proportions on those cars look very odd - one of them looks like it has the automotive equivalent of downs syndrome.

MGs are very very hit and miss. The MG4 is a very good looking car. The Cyberster is a stunner. But they have a lot of pigs.

BYD, by comparison, are uniformly handsome.

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

OK - I know I'm going off topic slightly (considering this is an EV thread and my pish-take went below the radar)....

How does one car look easier to wash than another ? (assuming the height is the same) ?

And who washes their own car here anyway ?

(I guess I would if I was out in the sticks - had the right equipment and was too far away from a 200 baht car wash or shopping mall where they wash while you park - in over 25 years of car ownership here I've never washed my own car or motorcycle).

Funny you should ask that as I did just the numbers myself. HomePro has a pretty good pressure washer for about 15,000 Baht. At 200/wash and once a week, it works out to about a year and a half, not counting all the labor, materials and sweat. Even at 500/wash normal mall rates, it's kinda hard to make the case for washing yourself unless you need the exercise or something.

It’s too darned hot to wash your own car here.

We have a few car washes in Chiang Rai that only charge 50 baht.

46 minutes ago, keemapoot said:

Funny you should ask that as I did just the numbers myself. HomePro has a pretty good pressure washer for about 15,000 Baht. At 200/wash and once a week, it works out to about a year and a half, not counting all the labor, materials and sweat. Even at 500/wash normal mall rates, it's kinda hard to make the case for washing yourself unless you need the exercise or something.

We use my parents car in the UK - its usually filthy when I get there (countryside) so I usually end up washing it myself and giving it a layer of 'touch-up' wax and a clear coat - takes me ages and I'm knackered as its a larger 4x4 - but enjoy the process....

Its usually filthy again within the week !!!

Here I changed my own tyre once - Wife called me out - she'd parked outside and returned to the car to a flat tyre.

She was nearby, called me up, it was 2pm, I popped across on the motorcycle - 20mins and two litres of water later I was out on my arse !!! - tyre changed but vowing never to do that again - its just too hot - I'll call someone out next time !

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

OK - I know I'm going off topic slightly (considering this is an EV thread and my pish-take went below the radar)....

How does one car look easier to wash than another ? (assuming the height is the same) ?

And who washes their own car here anyway ?

(I guess I would if I was out in the sticks - had the right equipment and was too far away from a 200 baht car wash or shopping mall where they wash while you park - in over 25 years of car ownership here I've never washed my own car or motorcycle).

I wash my own cars probably 75% of the time....I have the right equipment: a bucket, sponge, car soap, water hose, and towels....or yea, almost forgot the elbow grease. The other 25% of the time is when driving by a human car wash and the wife demands we stop and get the car washed....she twists my elbow in this case. 😁

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

OK - I know I'm going off topic slightly (considering this is an EV thread and my pish-take went below the radar)....

How does one car look easier to wash than another ? (assuming the height is the same) ?

And who washes their own car here anyway ?

(I guess I would if I was out in the sticks - had the right equipment and was too far away from a 200 baht car wash or shopping mall where they wash while you park - in over 25 years of car ownership here I've never washed my own car or motorcycle).

I like to wash the car, I do it real quick with the broom I have. it takes me 8-10 minutes max and some sweating, any chance for a small cardio I take, I need it every day, can't live without daily workouts, cant sleep well, can't have good sex, cant live my life, I need to stay fit and strong, just sometimes my L5 complains, I have lost 80% between L5 and S1. Doctor said never lift anything heavier than 10kg, I do 100kg dead lift at my home gym. 🤣

anyways, enough bout myself... Here in the south it rains a lot, so I like to wash the car medium effort, just good enough, then I apply 3M oleophobic coating on all the windows, as well on the lights/beam surfaces, it makes a huge difference on the rain. the 3M sticks well to Glass, but not so great on plastic. once a month...

I have a cheap Hyundai pressure machine I got 10 years ago and still works pretty well, as long as you use it monthly, only had to replace the rubber rings a couple times, that cost 100 baht.

it's been years since I took car to wash... probably saved 20,000 baht already and improved my health by doing myself.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by brfsa2

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

MGs are very very hit and miss. The MG4 is a very good looking car. The Cyberster is a stunner. But they have a lot of pigs.

BYD, by comparison, are uniformly handsome.

Agree, MGs are hit a miss, just that the IM5 is absolutely stunning !

the most beautiful car for my eyes, I'm getting it in beige soon :)

BYDs are ok, but the Sealion 6 and Atto 2 looks so bad.

I think the SL7 is #2 after the IM5.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by brfsa2

I wash my own car and have done pretty much all my life.

It is a great workout and very satisfying imo.

Plus, the neighbours get to see me in a wet t-shirt 🥺

For those interested in the EV "Battery Management System (BMS)" (and of course the EV battery) below are a few Youtube videos from a "BMS Engineer." He focuses more on how the "BMS" manages the high voltage battery.....that is, how the "electronics manages the battery cell chemistry. We all too often get engrossed in battery cell chemistry (i.e., NMC, LFP, etc) while overlooking the all important BMS which manages, protects, controls charging... etc...etc...etc.

Below are some starter videos from his Youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@shayan_ev

33 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

I like to wash the car, I do it real quick with the broom I have

Hey Trig... This broom that you have - over its life time... how many new handles and how many new heads has it had ???

The Max looks reasonably priced. Same price as the base MG 4 though.

On 6/8/2026 at 12:17 PM, JBChiangRai said:

I use the Rever app for Spark, I’ve only charged once with that but many times with PTT (EVstationPluz).

You don’t need to open any app with PTT (and IIRC with Rever too). Just plug in and walk away.

You do need to open the app and move a slider to stop charging before 100%

Just for others listening in, I've had my 2023 Atto 3 setup for ReverSharger AutoCharge for over two years now....works great.....and I got my new Sealion 7 setup for ReverSharger AutoCharge a few days ago.

And over the last couple days I setup PTT EV Station Pluz AutoCharge for the Atto and Sealion also....works as advertised. Plug-in...within about a minute the charging starts automatically...no need to even open the app to get the charging going. But to stop the charging before reaching 100% a person does need to manually stop the charging on the app or stop button on the charger.....ditto if I was using the ReverSharger charging network.

HOWEVER, for those who haven't setup AutoCharge yet on ReverSharger or PTT EV Station Pluz I will point out that on the PTT EV Station Pluz AutoCharge app setup "after", repeat after you get the EV registered/accepted on the PTT app for Autocharge the EV will "not" automatically Autocharge unless changing an EV Information settings to "Enable Auto Charge" and also selecting "Auto Charge by Starting Charging Automatically When Plugged In...." because during the AutoCharge registration process it defaults to the AutoCharge not enabled and also "Semi-Auto Charge (Press Start Manually)" setting.

So, a person will need to change the PTT app setting like identified below. Otherwise a person might think the AutoCharge "registration" process did not setup properly although the app did show registration was successful. That's what happened to me....for a short while I couldn't figure out why the Autocharge did not work although I successfully registered for Autocharge. While it indeed was successful it just the "default" setting of AutoCharge Not Enabled and also the Autocharge setting of Semi-Automatic can make a person think it did not setup properly.

Now with the ReverSharger AutoCharge once you register there are no other Autocharge settings required....it simply starts automatically.

So on the PTT app once successfully "registering" for Autocharge you will need to change an EV Information setting to make it truly Autocharging.

After registering for AutoCharge you will need to change an EV Information setting to "Enable Auto Charge" and also select "AutoCharge Automatically...." to make the Autocharge truly automatic; otherwise, it will be in Semi-Auto mode and you'll need to manually press a button to start the charging....see below.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by Pib

I have found a couple of times at PTT with EVstationPluz, someone has booked a charger and my charging stops early.

I booked a charger myself today and it appears you book connector by name (A or B).

If someone books (say) A and arrives early and plugs into B because it’s available (I did this today). The system isn’t clever enough to realize they have arrived and used a different connector.

The system should be able to figure this one out.

Another issue, we arrived at an EVstationPluz HUB, one charger had nobody on A or B, so we plugged in A. We got a message that this charger is part of a closed user group. There was no indication at the charger. We had to wait a minute or so for it to release the connector from my car. Then we tried B, same problem, same delay.

Then a guy came up to us and said it did the same to him. We moved to a shared charger but there should be some notice on the charger.

Another gripe, why are they using LCD/LED displays? It’s madness, they should be e-ink so you can read them in sunlight.

I don't see any setting in the PTT app to identity chargers which are Closed User Group (i.e, restricted) or some similar name. But I did notice there is a setting to only show/list chargers with "AutoCharge" capability....most PTT charge are AutoCharge capable but not all....so, don't expect AutoCharge to work on every PTT charger....you'll have to manually fire-up the charger....scan a QR code, push a button or two, etc. 😁

Noticed in the Bangkok Post today the story about a BYD Dolphin being involved in a fire in Khon Kaen; however, BYD denies the EV caused the fire because initial investigation indicates the fire started in the external charging network (i.e., the home charger, home wiring, etc.) ......see below Bangkok Post weblinks.

And a TheThaiger article on the same subject indicates the home owner seems to to agree that's a real possibility the fire started in the home wiring. The TheThaiger article picture shows the Dolphin high voltage battery is "not" on fire but the home is on fire. See TheThaiger article at bottom.

It sure appears the wall/granny charger, home wiring, etc., was the source of the fire and not the EV. This is possibly going to be an example of overloaded home wires, unsafe installation of the charger, etc.

https://www.bangkokpost.com

BYD denies its EV caused house fire

Rever Automotive, the distributor of BYD cars in Thailand, said on Wednesday that a house fire did not result from its electric vehicle but from external factors including a charging system at the hou

In TheThaiger article/picture below notice the EV in the picture....the high voltage battery is "not" on fire....now the front of the EV appears to be on fire most likely from the fire starting in the carport/home area.

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/byd-denies-vehicle-fault-in-khon-kaen-house-fire

"The homeowner, 46 year old Setthaphat Kaewfainok, told police and local media that he had returned home in the electric vehicle the previous evening and connected it to a charger installed in the garage. Setthaphat later addressed the issue on Facebook, saying he agreed that an electrical problem in the home could have contributed to the incident."

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Hey Trig... This broom that you have - over its life time... how many new handles and how many new heads has it had ???

hehehe, you got me there bro, they last maybe 1-2 years, cost 100-300 Baht.

in Lazada search for "car wash mop"

as for heads, not sure, but I have only one :D

Edited June 18Jun 18 by brfsa2