Popular Post Adumbration Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 21,000 eh... Were have they hidden them. I was in Phuket on Saturday night and visited a good number of bars. In all venues the staff outnumbered customers by at least 6 to 1. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RyanWalker Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 Omg the Thais going to scam the tourists like crazy the next few months/years???? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post josephbloggs Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Mavideol said: please tell us how many International (not domestic) flights on the BKK list and check the Phuket list https://www.phuketairportonline.com/flight-status-arrivals-departures/ Ok, I'll entertain you as I am quite bored at the moment, I counted 134 international flights arriving at BKK today. Count them (that previous site only shows a time period, not the whole day): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/bkk/arrivals And 26 international flights arrived in Phuket today.https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/hkt/arrivals Happy? Anything you want to say about that? Seriously, what possible reason would there be for them to make up a (fairly low in the scheme of things) number of international flights arriving? Especially as the information is so easily verifiable. The level of paranoia on this site is comical, it's just an article about how many people arrived on the first day of the lifting of Test & Go. It's not even a big number. But oh no, there are people on this site who are too smart to be fooled by this. Laughable. And sad. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbloggs Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 24 minutes ago, Adumbration said: 21,000 eh... Were have they hidden them. I was in Phuket on Saturday night and visited a good number of bars. In all venues the staff outnumbered customers by at least 6 to 1. Considering this article is about the number of people who arrived on the 1st May (Sunday) after restrictions were lifted then they were probably on a flight. And probably only around 2,000 of that 21,000 went to Phuket anyway, the rest landed in Bangkok then went wherever they wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfish180 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 9 hours ago, webfact said: Airport officials reported congestion at the immigration area, as many passengers were seen close to one another, making social distancing impossible. They just spent hours sat side by side in a big aluminium tube! "Airport Officials reported having an IQ level to match their shoe size" ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke1959 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 I believe it has more to do with the end of the Ramadan than the Test and Go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CartagenaWarlock Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 9 hours ago, starky said: Compared and contrasted to what exactly? I have no clue of arrival figures pre pandemic, or even when test and go was operating but 120 flights between to major airports to me doesnt sound impressive. And as others have stated less than 300 a flight? Pre covid it used to be average 100,000 per day. Last month average was 3,000 per day. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tawandaeng Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) Were they surprised that their lunatic policies were the reason for demolishing the economy in the first place? Edited May 2, 2022 by tawandaeng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, tawandaeng said: Were they surprised that their lunatic policies were the reason for demolishing the economy in the first place? The premise that the Thai economy was "demolished" is wrong. In 2020 it was similar to 2018 and the decline in 2020 was not peculiar to Thailand. The projected GDP for 2021 was higher than that for 2020 and projected to continue rising. The strength of the Thai economy is reflected in the continued strength of the Baht. https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp-growth-annual According to this article, the biggest threat to the Thai economy is the continued spread of covid, not the failure to open up unrestricted travel, similar to Australia's experience. https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Thai-economy-grew-1.6-in-2021-despite-COVID-19-headwind Edited May 2, 2022 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChC1 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) To settle one of the dispute, I went on flightstats to count the actual arrived international flights on 1st May in HKT and BKK. The result is as below: HKT Arrivals on 1st May WE338 BOM (Cargo only) TG963 ARN G8 73 DEL QR842 DOH G8 21 BOM (G8 41 BLR and G8 71 CCU is indicated cancelled) SQ726 SIN KC563 ALA EY430 AUH MH786 KUL SQ728 SIN TR656 SIN 3K535 SIN EK378 DXB 6E1763 DEL AK824 KUL QR840 DOH FD377 SIN TG919 LHR TG478 SYD SQ736 SIN TR652 SIN SQ740 SIN QR843 KUL EK396 DXB JQ17 MEL QR841 SIN FD525 HKG Total: 26 possible passenger flights. Edited May 2, 2022 by ChC1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChC1 Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) BKK 1st May international arrivals according to Flightstats: MS507 CAI KQ881 CAN 6E77 CCU ***NH8507+LHA...OZ397+BR6077+FD6599... etc are cargo flights, not counted. Other flights like CZ5027 etc are not passenger carry or for sale on public, hence not counted neither. TG316 DEL TG971 ZRH TG935 BRU TG318 BOM TG931 CDG TG326 BLR TG911 LHR TG951 CPH TG338 MAA QR830 DOH WY817 MCT TG921 FRA UL402 CMB AF166 CDG 5J929 MNL EY402 AUH SQ706 SIN TR752 SIN TG332 DEL CI833 TPE 8M335 RGN TR624 SIN VN601 SGN SQ708 SIN BR211 TPE 6E 85 DEL PR730 MNL WE551 HCM WE587 PNH PG932 PNH TVJ721 PNH CI831 TPE EK384 DXB WE561 HAN VJC803 SGN KL803 AMS QR836 DOH ET618 ADD TG404 SIN LY81 TLV CX653 HKG VJC901 HAN LH772 MUC TG657 ICN UK121 DEL (possible Cargo flight) OS25 VIE SQ710 SIN TG601 HKG TG416 KUL CI835 TPE AY143 HEL TG466 MEL TG643 NRT QF23 SYD TR610 SIN UB17 RGN SV844 JED BG388 DAC TG322 DAC PG934 PNH SQ712 SIN TG669 CAN CX701 HKG CA621 PVG AI330 BOM QR832 DOH EK372 DXB SQ714 SIN BI519 BWN TG432 DPS WE581 PNH 3K512 SIN PG936 PNH TG665 PVG WE557 SGN ZG 51 NRT WE575 VTE TG625 MNL TG410 SIN WE565 HAN KL804 MNL JL707 NRT TG679 CAN OZ741 ICN NH805 NRT KE651 ICN EK385 HKG Total: possible 90*** passenger flights (some of the flights are very questionable, for example, it is yet not possible for Myanmar or Bangladesh has so many passengers to BKK, that is at least 65flights there alone. Also there are at least 6 flights from PNH and 3 flights from MNL, really? Also there are 9 flights from Vietnam, I assume some of those would be cargo only but no way to verify. Also I included TG's and CA's flights from China, but we know with the heavy restrictions these flights are likely to be cargo mostly) Conclusion: Yes there are about 120 international flights arriving in HKT and BKK on 1st May 2022. However, there are large numbers that going to Phnom Penh, Saigon, Hanoi etc. which I have my doubts on. All China flights and Japan flights are likely to add very little of passenger numbers. The majority of passenger arrives are likely from Singapore and India. Exactly how many flights are cargo flights operated by passenger jets are still unknown (I don't have the time to count). Hence, 120 flights are correct. The devil is in the details. From my rough calculation based on each country's condition, I would guess only two thirds of the flights are with high passenger load factor. Another one third I would put a question mark (like flights from DAC, RGN, HAN, PHN etc.) Edited May 2, 2022 by ChC1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mania Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Sheryl said: Nor is it any quicker or more efficient in terms of receiving the TP. I would definitely not go through this for a simple holiday. Nor IMO would most tourists. Hear Hear ???? Also folks like us that actually own a home & have family there as we are still not willing to go thru the hassles & will wait hoping normal will eventually return Also to be honest after two years away & enjoying real freedoms here of no masks (especially during summer) & almost negligible covid results we are not in a hurry. The village our home is in actually has Covid really flashing thru it right now with a choice of village/community provided 10 day quarantine or home if you want. I guess many have large families are opting for the community center quarantine Good news tho is they are vaccinated & pretty much all have only head symptoms & easily get thru it Edited May 2, 2022 by mania 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geisha Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 11 hours ago, vinci said: yeah! that's easy, wasn't there before It doesn’t have to be a Thai insurance ! I entered with April, an international quite expensive insurance that is noted one of the very best.I feel better when I’m well insured, and when traveling , I think it’s absolutely necessary for all tourists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaZa9 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 15 hours ago, spidermike007 said: It is quite meaningless to measure the 1st day arrivals. Thailand has choked it's own throat, and shot it's own foot repeatedly, with heinous restrictions for 2 years now. So, on the 1st day with no quarantine, there is bound to be alot of pent up demand, and alot of expats and businessmen returning. Let's see what the numbers look like after a month, or a year. I predict around 250,000 a month for the next couple of years. Covid hit alot of people hard, and Thailand is but a shell of what it used to be. We shall see. I read where you said you were leaving Thailand a year or so back. You sure are taking your time... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacknorman Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 14 hours ago, mtls2005 said: My maths come to ~ 175. At this run rate - not sure how much of this is pent-up demand - 5 million (for all of 2022) should be no problem. i counted 64 international arrivels in 24 hours that day, i counted it and 21000/64= 328 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
law ling Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 18 hours ago, hotchilli said: A mixture of tourists, returning Thais, families living here and business people. ... they might also be counting transit passengers and over-nighting flight crew ... but, anyway, good luck to them. Troubling to read of the crowding and lack of social distancing ... it's as if nothing has been learned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, jacknorman said: i counted it and 21000/64= 328 Yeah, this alone should be enough to indicate you failed. I mean unless there's seating in the cargo hold for what employees refers to us as self-load freight. Counting these flights on free web sites can be challenging. And you've got to filter code-shares and cargo-only flights. The quoted figures in the OP pass the smell test. Many say flightradar24 has the most accurate and timely stats. Just use Arrivals, and BKK or HKT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 JP Morgan downgrades Thailand on fading tourism recovery Analysts at J.P. Morgan downgraded Thailand`s equities rating on Monday, citing the slow pace of recovery in the tourism industry due to rising inflation and a surge in Covid-19 cases in China. https://pulsenews.co.kr/view.php?sc=30800023&year=2022&no=391811 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 2 hours ago, zaZa9 said: I read where you said you were leaving Thailand a year or so back. You sure are taking your time... The universe is in a constant state of flux. I changed my mind. Went and explored Mexico. Had no idea crime was so rampant, and the area I looked at was infested with cartel types. Then looked at the US, just to be able to spend several months a year there. If you do not own a home there these days, it is nearly impossible to move back, without having some wealth. Things have skyrocketed, rents have gotten to an unsustainable level, and hyper inflation is rampant, especially with anything labor related. Everything has gone up. So, we have decided to be content here, and the perspective I got from the recent trips was useful in doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 11 hours ago, ozimoron said: The premise that the Thai economy was "demolished" is wrong. In 2020 it was similar to 2018 and the decline in 2020 was not peculiar to Thailand. The projected GDP for 2021 was higher than that for 2020 and projected to continue rising. The strength of the Thai economy is reflected in the continued strength of the Baht. https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp-growth-annual According to this article, the biggest threat to the Thai economy is the continued spread of covid, not the failure to open up unrestricted travel, similar to Australia's experience. https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Thai-economy-grew-1.6-in-2021-despite-COVID-19-headwind "The strength of the Thai economy is reflected in the continued strength of the Baht." True, and just why has the Baht strengthened so much since 2014 when the soldiers stole the country. Is it not obvious that the soldiers have been manipulating the Baht ever since? I am not financially minded enough to explain why, but it cannot be just a coincidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RafPinto Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 90% on the picture are blokes. Get the ladies back ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 is 1 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 23 hours ago, josephbloggs said: Oh dear. Maths is obviously not your strong point......neither is logic. Each passenger does not take 15 minutes at the desk!! If you say there are 40 desks open between BKK and Phuket and flights land over a 14 hour period (I have no idea how many desks are currently open but that seems reasonable), then it means each desk is processing 37 passengers per hour which seems perfectly normal. Take it over an 18 hour period and it is 29 passengers per hour per desk, so two minutes per person. In reality the numbers are probably over a 24 hour period. Aha you dont read last line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 is 1 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 20 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said: As per the official statistics, Suvarnabhumi airport has: Suvarnabhumi Airport Quick Facts And only 30% open! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhacsyn Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 19 hours ago, Adumbration said: 21,000 eh... Were have they hidden them. I was in Phuket on Saturday night and visited a good number of bars. In all venues the staff outnumbered customers by at least 6 to 1. Last Saturday was 30th April??? The thread is about arrivals starting from 1st May. Agree that Phuket in general has been pretty quiet with the exception of the couple of areas that are residential for expats and, as expected, Patong. Bangla road, for example, is pretty full, along with the bars, most late evenings, but yes, that is only a tiny part of Phuket. Out of the 21,000 arrivals on 1st May, I can confirm that just under 4,500 arrived in Phuket, and from what I am told by my colleagues, many "tourists". Phuket had similar numbers arriving towards the end of December last year, up until they started tinkering with the Test & Go. Obviously best to do away with it completely. i don't believe the tourists are "hidden". It is just that the numbers arriving are still realatively small when compared to better days and years. Nevertheless, for me it is an improvement in arrival numbers and hopefully it will continues beyond the first few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhacsyn Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I have just completed my 6th entry pass into Thailand during Covid times. Please to report that i registered my submission for Thailand pass at 09:05 and received the QR code and pass 27 minutes later. I had to upload 3 documents, albeit my Covid vaccination certificate 3 times. I guess from reading the full thread that it is not this straight forward for all, and yes, it would be great if they did away with it altogether. However, it was not so difficult for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adumbration Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Rhacsyn said: Last Saturday was 30th April??? The thread is about arrivals starting from 1st May. Agree that Phuket in general has been pretty quiet with the exception of the couple of areas that are residential for expats and, as expected, Patong. Bangla road, for example, is pretty full, along with the bars, most late evenings, but yes, that is only a tiny part of Phuket. Out of the 21,000 arrivals on 1st May, I can confirm that just under 4,500 arrived in Phuket, and from what I am told by my colleagues, many "tourists". Phuket had similar numbers arriving towards the end of December last year, up until they started tinkering with the Test & Go. Obviously best to do away with it completely. i don't believe the tourists are "hidden". It is just that the numbers arriving are still realatively small when compared to better days and years. Nevertheless, for me it is an improvement in arrival numbers and hopefully it will continues beyond the first few days. I think that the best litmus test for tourist numbers in Phuket (though definitely not for profitability) is buses. Driving down there and back yesterday I still did not see a single tourist related bus on the road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 120 flights in 24 hours at only 2 airports, and all International flights, besides the domestic flights into these airports, must have been a very busy day for only these two airports. For the poster who does not think that this would not be a busy day, well, your math skills are a question to me. Yes I also know that Bangkok has the old airport for most domestic flights, but Phuket has only one airport for all its flights. I am hoping that Thailand has a good surge in all traffic, and business improves every day. Bangkok also has some aircraft that are freighters, and just stop over flights, for people who hare travelling through the country enroute to somewhere else. Just Saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 On 5/2/2022 at 2:11 PM, thailand49 said: Not taking sides but I did take the time to look at the arrivals majority are local flights should those be counted. As for the International flights are the flight full? One thing for sure if in fact they can generate the numbers as claims then can they imagine if we just open go back to Pre-covid? ???? Off topic really. Subject clearly International Flights / Overseas Visitors. Domestic Flights a completely different subject.???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, TropicalGuy said: Off topic really. Subject clearly International Flights / Overseas Visitors. Domestic Flights a completely different subject.???? Original topic the individual posted a link it was a discussion or disagreement with another poster out of curiosity I open the link which listed arriving flights as you noted International but within the link majority were domestic I clearly understood the topic is International but I guess you coming at the end missed that???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayinThailand2much Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Never mind the first day, as this was just after registration resumed. Would be more interesting to know whether there will still be as many after one or two weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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