Is Roe v Wade just the beginning ?

[CharlieH]

Is this just the beginning of whats come ? Is there more heading toward the American people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thoughts ?

[Crossy]

As a Brit looking in from the outside, the US is accelerating backwards through time ...

 

 

[Thailand]

My thoughts- the Supreme Court of the USA  is an abortion in it's own right.

[Phoenix Rising]

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To your question; The US has massively regressed ever since electing trump president and stacking the SCOTUS with religious zealots.

I don't see how that will change unless the women and young people wake the heck up and start voting in elections. Let's hope that something good can come out of the moronic decision to cancel Roe v. Wade and that they do so during the mid-terms, giving the Dems a proper majority so that they can get rid of the filibuster and expand the SCOTUS to counteract the wildly out of touch regressionists presently forming the majority of the court members.

If this does not happen then I don't how see the US can continue as a nation.

 

[proton]

2 hours ago, Crossy said:

As a Brit looking in from the outside, the US is accelerating backwards through time ...

 

 

why the fuss, abortion has not been banned for good it's just up to the individual states to decide. Women in a banned state just have to get on a bus to a liberal one. They will just have to keep their knickers on or use contraceptives until it's clear.

[Lacessit]

Americans are very good at many things, being sensible is not one of them. A nation with any sense would get rid of the Electoral College anachronism, and nullify every Trump appointment to the Supreme Court.

All I can see with the current stacking of the Supreme Court is a couple of decades of regression and legal challenges, the lawyers must be delighted.

IMO the only sensible thing the Supreme Court did was to tell Trump to get lost when he tried to enlist them during the 2020 election count.

[worgeordie]

God save America ..... maybe another civil war in the future.

regards Worgeordie

[OneMoreFarang]

I can highly recommend this article.

 

How the Christian right took over the judiciary and changed America | Abortion | The Guardian

 

It is interesting that not too long ago abortion was not a big issue, even with the right. And then that changed...

This is all about a lot more than just abortion.

 

I am not an expert on this and I know The Guardian has a certain reputation. But is also has a reputation for interesting articles. Just read it, it's interesting.

 

And good luck I am not an American and I never want to visit that strange country.

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

God save America ..... maybe another civil war in the future.

regards Worgeordie

With all those christian fanatics over there and all that preaching I would guess god worked already for a long time to save that country. And he fails miserably.

Or maybe there is no god and all that praying was useless...

[foreverlomsak]

33 minutes ago, Crossy said:

As a Brit looking in from the outside, the US is accelerating backwards through time ...

 

 

As a non-American I don't understand how abortion can be a "constitutional right" if it's not stated in the constitution or any of the amendments.

As far as firearms are concerned it is covered be the "constitutional right" to bear arms, the question I believe was on concealment.

[OneMoreFarang]

20 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

A nation with any sense would get rid of the Electoral College anachronism, and nullify every Trump appointment to the Supreme Court.

It seems you missed the part that about 70,000,000 Americans still support Trump and want him to be president again.

It seems some liberals like to see this wonderful USA with all those great ideas and those great people. Yes, sure, that part exist. But there is also this huge other part.

What we see in America is not that a few people took over this wonderful country. No! It's more like many Americans feel free to show their true colors. We are white, we are christians and we don't like all those others!

 

P.S: It seems I have to clarify that I am not American and I am not right-wing. Above is my interpretation of the situation. I don't support what is going on over there. I just watch from the outside.

Edited June 26, 2022 by OneMoreFarang
PS added

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems you missed the part that about 70,000,000 Americans still support Trump and want him to be president again.

It seems some liberals like to see this wonderful USA with all those great ideas and those great people. Yes, sure, that part exist. But there is also this huge other part.

What we see in America is not that a few people took over this wonderful country. No! It's more like many Americans feel free to show their true colors. We are white, we are christians and we don't like all those others!

Not liking all those others is actually racist bigotry. Can't you see that?

[OneMoreFarang]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Not liking all those others is actually racist bigotry. Can't you see that?

I just added a PS to what I wrote above.

Yes, I see that this is racist and I don't support it. But many many Americans support it. We should not pretend that there is a crazy small minority of them. There are many many millions of them - and they are winning.

[EVENKEEL]

If anyone thinks these dog whistle scare tactics is going to sway voters away from caring about their pocketbook come mid terms will work? I can only laugh.

[ballpoint]

Time for the Supreme Court to be aborted long before its term ends.  No need to argue whether it's sufficiently developed to be classed as human or intelligent yet, it's clearly neither.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

If anyone thinks these dog whistle scare tactics is going to sway voters away from caring about their pocketbook come mid terms will work? I can only laugh.

dog whistle scare tactics by who, the supreme court judge announcing possible further restriction on contraception and gay marriage?

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Crossy said:

As a Brit looking in from the outside, the US is accelerating backwards through time ...

 

 

Correct

[Jingthing]

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

dog whistle scare tactics by who, the supreme court judge announcing possible further restriction on contraception and gay marriage?

Yes and now there is a movement to make fetuses legally persons which would make abortion murder nationally.

 

Short of that some red states are working on laws to criminalize women traveling to legal abortion states for an abortion and also anyone that helps her even in trivial ways. Sound like a free country to you?

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Time for the Supreme Court to be aborted long before its term ends.  No need to argue whether it's sufficiently developed to be classed as human or intelligent yet, it's clearly neither.

Stuck with them but they've lost all credibility now 

[Lacessit]

40 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems you missed the part that about 70,000,000 Americans still support Trump and want him to be president again.

It seems some liberals like to see this wonderful USA with all those great ideas and those great people. Yes, sure, that part exist. But there is also this huge other part.

What we see in America is not that a few people took over this wonderful country. No! It's more like many Americans feel free to show their true colors. We are white, we are christians and we don't like all those others!

 

P.S: It seems I have to clarify that I am not American and I am not right-wing. Above is my interpretation of the situation. I don't support what is going on over there. I just watch from the outside.

IMO Trump has about 30-40 million diehard supporters that will believe anything that comes out of his mouth, no matter how far from the truth that is.

IMO the SC reversal will rebound badly on Republicans, IIRC women are voters too. They will take note of the states that proceed to a ban ( Republican again ) and make their feelings known at the ballot box.

[Jingthing]

51 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said:

As a non-American I don't understand how abortion can be a "constitutional right" if it's not stated in the constitution or any of the amendments.

As far as firearms are concerned it is covered be the "constitutional right" to bear arms, the question I believe was on concealment.

Yeah you don't understand.

The main job of the supreme court is to interpret the constitution on modern issues.

For 50 years the court  interpreted abortion to be a right with restrictions allowed and that means it became a constitional right.

The constitution didn't even mention women. To be a 100 percent originalist women would then never have any rights, black people would still be 3/5 of a human, and of course forget about gay people.

Yes this RADICAL RIGHT WING court has stripped away a constitutional right and they are  not done.

[Walker88]

 

Too many Americans are willfully ignorant. Many have no clue what the actual ideals of the country are. On the repub side, they abhor democracy, and have spent decades doing everything possible to undermine it. repubs know they cannot win legitimately, so they cheat at every opportunity---redistricting and gerrymandering, changing voting laws, blocking any change that would favor the majority (such as abolishing the Electoral College or changing the rules of the Senate---2 from each State, ignoring population size, so that a State like California only gets 2 Senators, but has a greater population than the combined population of Alaska, Alabama, West Virginia, Nevada, Iowa, Kansas, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Utah, Arkansas, Nebraska, Idaho and Montana---which have 32 Senators in total and are usually Red States. Those who still support 45 are generally poorly educated and too ignorant to understand what democracy even means, so repubs pander to the woefully ignorant.

 

Now, the repubs even have resorted to outright lies, claiming 'fraud' where there was none, trying to send fake electors to certify the election, pressuring officials to 'find votes', threatening officials who do their proper job, etc.

 

The worst and most egregious thing was mitch mcconnell blocking a SC appointment for 8 months "because it was an election year", yet rushed through 45's appointment of the catholic fanatic handmaiden SC justice 2 weeks before the 2020 election.

 

So 4 SC justices were appointed by POTUSs who did not win the popular vote, 1 under Bush II and 3 under 45.

 

Biden should get the Dems to increase the SC to 13 justices, have Biden appoint 4 more, then pass a Bill that locks the SC at 13 justices. With the House and Senate under Dem control, they could one-up the repubs and mcconnell by stuffing the court. Biden could also select 24 year old Harvard or Stanford grads who will live another 50 years, long after thomas, alito, and maybe kavanaugh and gorsuch are pushing daisies. Of course they won't do it.

 

Sadly, the Dems are weak. Pelosi is tough but old. Schumer is a wuss. Nobody keeps the woke far left in line, and that tiny element of the Dems feed the repubs ammo as if the woke Dems really were repubs in drag. The vast majority of Dems are moderates and centrists, but they fail to reign in the fringe. The repubs, OTOH, are now mainstream fascists and autocrats, who champion superstition (fake religion) and work tirelessly to destroy democracy. The majority of the repubs now are fascists and autocrats, the absolute opposite of what the US should be.

 

Coming under the current court is an end to gay marriage and if some repub elected officials get their way, and end to interracial marriage (justice thomas probably hopes this passes so he can rid himself of ginni, his whackjob wife)

[Jingthing]

Bottom line the USA is going full on fascist via the Banana Republicans and a real civil war including regional separations is not out of the question. Putin and Xi's dream. Watch America commit national suicide. How convenient for them.

Edited June 26, 2022 by Jingthing

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Thailand said:

My thoughts- the Supreme Court of the USA  is an abortion in it's own right.

would like to see any of them (judges) reaction if one of their feminine family got raped/abused and end up pregnant

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

would like to see any of them (judges) reaction if one of their feminine family got raped/abused and end up pregnant

They're rich so they would see their family as exceptions.

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, proton said:

why the fuss, abortion has not been banned for good it's just up to the individual states to decide. Women in a banned state just have to get on a bus to a liberal one. They will just have to keep their knickers on or use contraceptives until it's clear.

why the fuss??? America is supposed to be (at least that's what they claim all the time when they sing their anthem " O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?") if that's the case people should have the right to chose whatever they want,  abortion or no abortion, free choice, free speech

 

[CartagenaWarlock]

8 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

would like to see any of them (judges) reaction if one of their feminine family got raped/abused and end up pregnant

They really don't care. People with money or good paying jobs in corporations are not affected by this decisions. They can always go to a neighboring states or even to Canada or Mexico and get it done. It only affects the financially  disadvantaged people. I am sure there will be organization in the future like underground railroad. It's a shame for America and Americans that we have to resort to a 19th century tool to ensure human rights of people because they are financially disadvantaged. It's a dark day for America and for all Americans. Today, I'm ashamed to be an American

Edited June 26, 2022 by CartagenaWarlock

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

They really don't care. People with money or good paying jobs in corporations are not affected by this decisions. They can always go to a neighboring states or even to Canada or Mexico and get it done. It only affects the financially  disadvantaged people. I am sure there will be organization in the future like underground railroad. It's a shame for America and Americans that we have to resort to a 19th century tool to free people because they are financially disadvantaged. It's a dark day for America and for all Americans. Today, I'm ashamed to be an American

Funny, I'm always proud to be an American and I wasn't born there. You have to decide who you are when the line gets drawn.

[poohy]

[bkk6060]

Yes.  Gays, women´s rights, guns, much more coming.    Add, with all the sad Biden failures Trump or Desantis will win in 2024 the right wing will be in total control of everything U.S.