Eleven Conservatives now bidding to be next UK prime minister

[Mac Mickmanus]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Please, lay off the Chinese government controlled ‘news sites’.

 

The EU zone inflation rate is not 9.6%

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/inflation-cpi

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/225698/monthly-inflation-rate-in-eu-countries/

Do stop using false equivalents , first you used the figures for  G.7 and now you are using figures for the Eurozone . 

   I am talking about the E.U . 

Comparing the U.K to all the other E.U Countries in regards to inflation rates , the U.K would be the 16 th highest and with the 9 th lowest inflation rates . 

   So you suggestion that Brexit has been detrimental to the U.K economy is just plain wrong , because other E.U Countries are worse off than the U.K 

   (And BTW , here's another non Chinese site that also gives the 9.6 % E.U inflation rate )

 

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[The Hammer2021]

It's now two

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do stop using false equivalents , first you used the figures for  G.7 and now you are using figures for the Eurozone . 

   I am talking about the E.U . 

Comparing the U.K to all the other E.U Countries in regards to inflation rates , the U.K would be the 16 th highest and with the 9 th lowest inflation rates . 

   So you suggestion that Brexit has been detrimental to the U.K economy is just plain wrong , because other E.U Countries are worse off than the U.K 

   (And BTW , here's another non Chinese site that also gives the 9.6 % E.U inflation rate )

 

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Oh, so it wasn’t you who posted this then?

 

You know, your very recent post I was responding to.

 

or did you miss your own bold text?

44 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ha ha , false equivalence .

G7 members include non E.U Countries such as Japan, USA and Canada .

You compared the U.Ks inflation rate to non E.U Countries to suggest that Brexit is the reason for the U.Ks high inflation rate and they are faring better . 

   If you compare the U.K's inflation rate to the rest of the E.U , you will see that the U.Ks inflation rate is lower than the E.Us 

 

European Union's annual inflation hits record 9.6% in June

 

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-07-19/European-Union-s-annual-inflation-hits-record-9-6-in-June-1bNqXrKcXKg/index.html

 

[The Hammer2021]

On 7/19/2022 at 8:44 PM, SatEng said:

Toxic woman - trying to introduce US style "Culture wars" into the debate - but she will be out of the running in 15 minutes

She has not 'introduced ' culture wars but she has proposed to fight the culture war and the cult of woke ideology.

The culture wars were started by extreme left, liberals, and woke ideology trying to redefine our sense of history and identity; trying to change our language and understanding  of gender and sex. Trying to redefine  women and their rights.

Woke extremists are waging a highly effective and destructive culture war. They have made great strides abolishing personal freedoms. Including freedom of speech and even privacy for teen girls. They are authoritarian dictatorial thugs.

Kemi Badenoch got enormous support with her commitment to fight woke idiocy. 

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Same situation still applies .

Both candidates will state their opinion and policies and the ministers will vote on which one they agree with and the person with the most votes will be the new PM .

  That is is the very essence of democracy .

Different people with different opinions and voters decide on which one will be successful .

  

The very essence of democracy? 

When a leader steps down due to a lack of support a general election should be held.

Edited July 21, 2022 by stevenl

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh, so it wasn’t you who posted this then?

 

You know, your very recent post I was responding to.

 

or did you miss your own bold text?

 

Yes, and I posted another link to show that ,  that didnt seem to work .

Here is another link from the U.K Gov  to show E.U inflation is currently 9.6 %  (Which is higher than the U.K's)

 

 

UK inflation, as measured by the CPI, was 9.4% in the year to June, 

EU inflation was 9.6% in June, up from 8.8% in May. E

 

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02794/

 

[SatEng]

19 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

She has not 'introduced ' culture wars but she has proposed to fight the culture war and the cult of woke ideology.

The culture wars were started by extreme left, liberals, and woke ideology trying to redefine our sense of history and identity; trying to change our language and understanding  of gender and sex. Trying to redefine  women and their rights.

Woke extremists are waging a highly effective and destructive culture war. They have made great strides abolishing personal freedoms. Including freedom of speech and even privacy for teen girls. They are authoritarian dictatorial thugs.

Kemi Badenoch got enormous support with her commitment to fight woke idiocy. 

Badenoch is an anti-gay bigot - wants to bring back section 28

her "religion" is more important than other people's rights - her view

[The Hammer2021]

9 minutes ago, SatEng said:

Badenoch is an anti-gay bigot - wants to bring back section 28

her "religion" is more important than other people's rights - her view

The usual scurrilous slander against a political opponent who fails to succumb to woke idiocy. She is not anti gay nor does she wish  to reintroduced section 28. That hysteria.  But she and other adults  wish to limit wish give  parents the right to examine the sex education  curriculum which currently is promoting a hard line trans ideology.

Kami Badenoch is a black woman who does not conform to the socialist  idea of how a black woman should behave. She's BRILLIANT

[Mac Mickmanus]

19 minutes ago, SatEng said:

Badenoch is an anti-gay bigot - wants to bring back section 28

her "religion" is more important than other people's rights - her view

 

Is this the Lady in question 

 

[Excel]

33 minutes ago, SatEng said:

Badenoch is an anti-gay bigot - wants to bring back section 28

her "religion" is more important than other people's rights - her view

For the sake of the UK she may well be appointed the Minister for Culture in the next PM's cabinet as she has some outstanding attributes and qualities. 

 

As for being a bigot, simply because she has differing views from your own does not make her a bigot, in fact you labelling her as such indicates you are perhaps more of one than her, In fact 5 years ago her majority was over 27,000 people so I suspect your lone voice is of no consequence compared to that large majority.

Edited July 21, 2022 by Excel

[SatEng]

32 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

She has not 'introduced ' culture wars but she has proposed to fight the culture war and the cult of woke ideology.

The culture wars were started by extreme left, liberals, and woke ideology trying to redefine our sense of history and identity; trying to change our language and understanding  of gender and sex. Trying to redefine  women and their rights.

Woke extremists are waging a highly effective and destructive culture war. They have made great strides abolishing personal freedoms. Including freedom of speech and even privacy for teen girls. They are authoritarian dictatorial thugs.

Kemi Badenoch got enormous support with her commitment to fight woke idiocy. 

The terms "culture wars" denoting the conflict between traditional/conservative and progressive/liberal viewpoints was popularised in the US press in the 1920s and denoted the difference on key issues that were "hot-button" issues for the conservative religious right - namely abortion, gun-politics, separation of church and state, privacy, recreational drug use, homosexuality and censorship (Hunter definitions)

These issues have remained the same to the present day and have become even more polarising in the US.

In the UK, by contrast, many of these issues had cross-party consensus up to recent years - cross party support enabled the right to abortion, the decriminalisation of homosexuality (section 28), banning of guns and the influence of the established church and so there was no concatenation of these issues for a coherent "ideology" as in the US

Since around 2010, however, coinciding with a labour defeat at the political polls, the use of the above issues increased in conservative circles as a flag to the Tory base and right-wing press in the UK.

The Brexit debate in 2015/2016 however added the element of immigration to the right wing mix and this was the key polarising element of politics. Studies of public attitudes in the following years have shown that the other "hot-button" issues much are prominent within the right wing press and conservative talking points but are of much less the interest to the general public.

[SatEng]

17 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The usual scurrilous slander against a political opponent who fails to succumb to woke idiocy. She is not anti gay nor does she wish  to reintroduced section 28. That hysteria.  But she and other adults  wish to limit wish give  parents the right to examine the sex education  curriculum which currently is promoting a hard line trans ideology.

Kami Badenoch is a black woman who does not conform to the socialist  idea of how a black woman should behave. She's BRILLIANT

She got caught out in an anti-LBGT rant and would not support same-sex marriage when it came up for a vote

She has a history of anti-gay bias and bigotry

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, and I posted another link to show that ,  that didnt seem to work .

Here is another link from the U.K Gov  to show E.U inflation is currently 9.6 %  (Which is higher than the U.K's)

 

 

UK inflation, as measured by the CPI, was 9.4% in the year to June, 

EU inflation was 9.6% in June, up from 8.8% in May. E

 

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02794/

 

You are right about the EU and UK figures. However, is it a relevant comparison?

Most EU countries with a higher inflation than UK (and affect the average rate) are less developed countries located in Eastern Europe. They have different economic conditions and are also more affected by the war in Ukraine. The other most developed countries have a lower inflation rate than UK (except for Belgium and Spain): France, Germany, Italy, Austria, etc...

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=europe

Edited July 21, 2022 by candide
I forgot the link

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

You are right about the EU and UK figures. However, is it a relevant comparison?

Most EU countries with a higher inflation than UK (and affect the average rate) are less developed countries located in Eastern Europe. They have different economic conditions and are also more affected by the war in Ukraine. The other most developed countries have a lower inflation rate than UK (except for Belgium and Spain): France, Germany, Italy, Austria, etc...

Well all the Developed E.U Countries have a higher inflation rate than the U.K .................except for Belgium  and Spain.......................and Ireland..........and the Netherlands          .and Luxembourg .

[candide]

14 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Well all the Developed E.U Countries have a higher inflation rate than the U.K .................except for Belgium  and Spain.......................and Ireland..........and the Netherlands          .and Luxembourg .

Ireland, Netherlands and Luxemburg are also below UK. Sorry I forgot the link in the unedited post

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=europe

Edited July 21, 2022 by candide

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Not in my source (sorry I forgot to put the link). They are also below UK.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=europe

These are the latest figures , your figures are a bit dated 

 

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[candide]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

These are the latest figures , your figures are a bit dated 

 

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Ok. It remains that the EU rate is affected by Eastern Europe, which is not comparable to UK.

Edited July 21, 2022 by candide

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The usual scurrilous slander against a political opponent who fails to succumb to woke idiocy. She is not anti gay nor does she wish  to reintroduced section 28. That hysteria.  But she and other adults  wish to limit wish give  parents the right to examine the sex education  curriculum which currently is promoting a hard line trans ideology.

Kami Badenoch is a black woman who does not conform to the socialist  idea of how a black woman should behave. She's BRILLIANT

She’s been ditched.

[Mac Mickmanus]

17 minutes ago, candide said:

Ok. It remains that the EU rate is affected by Eastern Europe, which is not comparable to UK.

Yes, but generally, the U.Ks inflation figures are roughly the same as most other E.U Nations , about 70 % of Countries have an inflation figure of between 8 % and 12 & and the UK is in the middle of those .

   Which shows that Brexit isnt the cause of the U.K's economic  problems 

[TropicalGuy]

3 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

It's now two

Or maybe 3 if Bojo added under “ section 17” appeal  by Tory Party ????Bojo would win by landslide ….????

[TropicalGuy]

45 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

She’s been ditched.

Along with the far inferior Mordaunt 

[TropicalGuy]

2 hours ago, SatEng said:

She got caught out in an anti-LBGT rant and would not support same-sex marriage when it came up for a vote

She has a history of anti-gay bias and bigotry

 

She is simply an anti - nonsense / anti- radical conservative in fact then, not “bigoted” so fine by me, having views like 90% UK.  Just not ready for PM but very good show & popular with LOTS of very smart people. ????

[TropicalGuy]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

The very essence of democracy? 

When a leader steps down due to a lack of support a general election should be held.

No. It should not ????country elected a Party on its Policies not its Leader. We are not quite a Presidential Democracy yet????

[TropicalGuy]

4 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Duh! I know how it’s done. 
 

I am questioning the idea that it is not relevant who votes in the next pm, not the process. 
 

Do try to keep up. 

Since Tory PARTY Elected to Power, Tory PARTY Removes & Replaces PM. Nobody else. It isn’t rocket science ???? 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

No. It should not ????country elected a Party on its Policies not its Leader. We are not quite a Presidential Democracy yet????

And yet we now have two candidates for PM promising policies which were not in their Party’s manifesto at the last election.

[TropicalGuy]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This Government came to power promising green and sunny pastures.

 

The reality is they have delivered poverty, a cost of living crisis, inflation, corruption and ineptitude.

 

 

While entertaining the Tory leadership battle, is nothing but rearranging the deck chairs.

Non- tories are clearly irresponsible out- of - touch unelectable loons so out of power now for 12 years …..and counting. ????????????

[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, but generally, the U.Ks inflation figures are roughly the same as most other E.U Nations , about 70 % of Countries have an inflation figure of between 8 % and 12 & and the UK is in the middle of those .

   Which shows that Brexit isnt the cause of the U.K's economic  problems 

Except it’s not just inflation.

 

Growth?

Inward investment?

 

[TropicalGuy]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And yet we now have two candidates for PM promising policies which were not in their Party’s manifesto at the last election.

Nor was Covid. Policies change. That’s politics for ya !????

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Nor was Covid. Policies change. That’s politics for ya !????

Tories stabbing each other in the back and accusing each other of being ‘socialists’.

 

Now that’s politics for you.

[TropicalGuy]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Tories stabbing each other in the back and accusing each other of being ‘socialists’.

 

Now that’s politics for you.

Unedifying. Though Policy “ competition” to be expected in Leader / PM competition.  Tories least worst option & salvageable … unlike the rabble “ opposition”????????