Eleven Conservatives now bidding to be next UK prime minister

[Mac Mickmanus]

16 minutes ago, bannork said:

Not off topic at all. The 11 are now only two, every day they are announcing their contrasting policies on various issues to woo the blue rinse brigade.

Now the Rwanda proposal for Channel migrants has descended into a joke, it will be interesting to see their responses to the inevitable questions from reporters. 

Quite likely to say that there are currently 200 available places for refugees in Rwanda and further places are scheduled to be built 

[The Hammer2021]

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

Well, they could raise taxes on the wealthy. The could eliminate all those tax loopholes defended so vigorously by the Tories. They could put a stop to privatizing health care and repair the damage to NHS caused by the Tories' neglect.

Eliminating all those tax loopholes is easier said than done. Labour didn't manage.

Taxes are the highest they have been for decades!

The NHS is not fit for purpose and needs partial privatisation like the French, German and Spanish  systems  for example.

[stevenl]

24 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Brexit was NOT in 2016. Its a long drawn  out process that started in 2019, then interrupted  by covid and will take at least 5 more years. As far as most Brexiteers are concerned Brexit has not started!

If it hasn't even started, don't use it as an excuse.

[Loiner]

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

The decline of the NHS began under the Tories. As did the huge tax breaks for the wealthy.

The NHS has been moaning about lack of funding for as long as I can remember. It has had increasing waiting lists since the 1950's. (That's even before the Carry On series!)
The sacred cow of the left has always been in decline but continues to devour ever increasing quantities of our taxes. It's high time the NHS was not given any more of our cash and its' army of managers forced to make it efficient. Alternatively sell it off. No more free cosmetic surgeries, sex changes, prolonged end of life, and no freeloaders. 

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, transam said:

Bit like Corby & Abbott, you mean......?  ????

Nope. 

[vinny41]

5 hours ago, bannork said:

Only 37% of the electorate. 

That's a minority.

In the 1975 United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum

only 43% of the electorate voted yes that's also a  minority.

[transam]

15 hours ago, RayC said:

So you didn't approve of Sunak's furlough scheme? You would have preferred that workers were made redundant during the pandemic, and that businesses went bust?

 

China and the US have grown more rapidly than the UK during this period. Russia has not, and has been even more economically mismanaged than the UK.

 

Brexit was in 2016. The Tories had already been in power for 6 years. Six years of unnecessary austerity politics instigated by 'Boy' George, followed by an unnecessary event (Brexit) caused by 'Call me Dave' gambling his own and the country's political future; weak leadership by May, who was undermined by her own party;  3 years being led by an opportunist chancer, and now the prospect of being led by a political chameleon. 

 

12 years in power. How long before these promised benefits arrive?

Eeeer, you pick one item of probably thousands, not interested..

 

Liz for PM.......................????

[transam]

15 hours ago, RayC said:

Don't you think that the ongoing fall-out from Brexit is still relevant to today's political discussion?

No, the thread is about a new PM for the Blues, the Blues handled Brexit, move on or start your own Brexit sobbing thread...........????

[transam]

14 hours ago, bannork said:

I would like to ask the two candidates about the issue of Channel crossing migrants now Rwanda has announced they only have room for a maximum of 200 migrants. 

In addition, the UK has paid Rwanda £120 million in spite of the fact not one migrant has been sent.

Who is responsible for this farce, Patel or Truss?

I don't think they are members here..........????

[transam]

13 hours ago, baboon said:

I didn't. 

Who called the referendum? 

David Cameron......

[bannork]

10 hours ago, vinny41 said:

In the 1975 United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum

only 43% of the electorate voted yes that's also a  minority.

True,  we have to say, like the Tory victory with an 80 seat majority yet only 43% of the electorate voting Conservative, its the will of some of the people.

Meanwhile,  Liz Truss, you used to speak sense. What went wrong?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

True,  we have to say, like the Tory victory with an 80 seat majority yet only 43% of the electorate voting Conservative, its the will of some of the people.

Meanwhile,  Liz Truss, you used to speak sense. What went wrong?

Well nothing, she could have her name in the UK history books as the leader of the UK.

How about you.....?  ????

[placeholder]

17 minutes ago, transam said:

Well nothing, she could have her name in the UK history books as the leader of the UK.

How about you.....?  ????

As opposed to other members of thaivisa.com who will figure in the annals of history? You got any more groundless points to raise?

[transam]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As opposed to other members of thaivisa.com who will figure in the annals of history? You got any more groundless points to raise?

Again you are answering for another, now if you are stalking with pointless assertions, I think you need to lay down chap.....????

[Rimmer]

A baiting post has been removed, please stop poking the bear. This Bear!!

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

True,  we have to say, like the Tory victory with an 80 seat majority yet only 43% of the electorate voting Conservative, its the will of some of the people.

Meanwhile,  Liz Truss, you used to speak sense. What went wrong?

People grow up, get older and change their mind about things .

Many kids begin on the Left and move over to the Right when they grow up 

[placeholder]

54 minutes ago, transam said:

Again you are answering for another, now if you are stalking with pointless assertions, I think you need to lay down chap.....????

Apparently, you are impervious to understanding that this is an open forum. If you want privacy, that's what the PM system is for.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Apparently, you are impervious to understanding that this is an open forum. If you want privacy, that's what the PM system is for.

Careful with that thing......????.............????

[RayC]

19 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Brexit was NOT in 2016. Its a long drawn  out process that started in 2019, then interrupted  by covid and will take at least 5 more years.

So the benefits of Brexit will miraculously start to become apparent wef 2024? Excellent. Something to look forward to.... unless of course they don't and you've been sold a pup.

 

19 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

 

As far as most Brexiteers are concerned Brexit has not started!

Really? Not what most Johnson apologists on this board would have us believe.

 

Anyway, 2.5 years (at most) to finish a process that has not(?) been rumbling on since 2016. Cutting things a bit tight.

[RayC]

19 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Benefits of a conservative government or benefits of  Brexit?

Take your pick. Neither seem apparent.

[RayC]

5 hours ago, transam said:

Eeeer, you pick one item of probably thousands, not interested..

 

Liz for PM.......................????

Of course you're ".. not interested".  As usual, you can't support your position with a reasoned argument.

[The Hammer2021]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

So the benefits of Brexit will miraculously start to become apparent wef 2024? Excellent. Something to look forward to.... unless of course they don't and you've been sold a pup.

 

Really? Not what most Johnson apologists on this board would have us believe.

 

Anyway, 2.5 years (at most) to finish a process that has not(?) been rumbling on since 2016. Cutting things a bit tight.

Why would you think that after 40 years of EU bureaucracy the process of withdrawal from the EU would be quick? Surely its a long term process?

Perhaps  you might like to focus on issues such  as German energy and banking, Spanish youth employment, the strength of the Euro and a myriad of other issues. Because BREXIT IS A FACT. No amount of whining, whinging or naysaying can change that. There comes a point where the bitterness and hostility of the remainers appears to be a desire to see Britain  fail. You all need to grow up because the votes who reject centralised and democracy  technocrats and  want representative democracy have not gone away.

[RayC]

5 hours ago, transam said:

No, the thread is about a new PM for the Blues, the Blues handled Brexit, move on or start your own Brexit sobbing thread...........????

????????It's comes as no surprise that you think one of the major policy issues is irrelevant to a discussion above the suitability of the PM candidates.

[The Hammer2021]

11 minutes ago, RayC said:

Take your pick. Neither seem apparent.

The benefit of having a Conservative government is we don't have Corbyn  Starmer or Thornberry or Abbot anywhere near the levers of power!

[The Hammer2021]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

People grow up, get older and change their mind about things .

Many kids begin on the Left and move over to the Right when they grow up 

Correct.  It's an indicator of youth to be left and liberal  but also an indicator of growing up and maturing to become conservative.

[RayC]

19 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Why would you think that after 40 years of EU bureaucracy the process of withdrawal from the EU would be quick? Surely its a long term process?

Perhaps  you might like to focus on issues such  as German energy and banking, Spanish youth employment, the strength of the Euro and a myriad of other issues. Because BREXIT IS A FACT. No amount of whining, whinging or naysaying can change that. There comes a point where the bitterness and hostility of the remainers appears to be a desire to see Britain  fail. You all need to grow up because the votes who reject centralised and democracy  technocrats and  want representative democracy have not gone away.

As a Remainer, I accepted the Brexit result a long time ago. What I now want is for you Brexiters to take accountability and responsibility for your decision and deliver the promised (undefined) benefits based on an international agreement which was signed less than 3 years ago

 

Unfortunately, what we get instead is constant whining and complaining from Brexiters about how unfair it is that the EU choose to implement the terms of that agreement.

 

No system of electoral democracy is perfect. It's a tired, and flawed, old argument that the UK system of government - where less than 43% of votes cast delivers a government with a cast-iron parliamentary majority - is somehow superior and more democratic than the system of PR used at an EU level 

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by RayC
Spelling; grammar

[RayC]

16 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The benefit of having a Conservative government is we don't have Corbyn  Starmer or Thornberry or Abbot anywhere near the levers of power!

"Bingo!". 4 corners. 

Edited July 24, 2022 by RayC
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[transam]

57 minutes ago, RayC said:

Of course you're ".. not interested".  As usual, you can't support your position with a reasoned argument.

How true, total waste of time wiv socialists....????

[transam]

51 minutes ago, RayC said:

????????It's comes as no surprise that you think one of the major policy issues is irrelevant to a discussion above the suitability of the PM candidates.

Eeeeeeeeer, Brexit has nothing to do with a Blue's new leader selection, Brexit is done, and we move on.

Except, for socialist remainers, that is.....????

 

[The Hammer2021]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

So the benefits of Brexit will miraculously start to become apparent wef 2024? Excellent. Something to look forward to.... unless of course they don't and you've been sold a pup.

 

Really? Not what most Johnson apologists on this board would have us believe.

 

Anyway, 2.5 years (at most) to finish a process that has not(?) been rumbling on since 2016. Cutting things a bit tight.

40 years of EU bureaucracy will take a long time to undo I should imagine and we are now trading with them from outside the EU and indeed suffering from their extreme protectionism that ha ha was the basis of the 'free  trade zone'.

What extremist, hardline, remainers fail to understand is the democratic vote for brexit was a major benefit it in itself. That the people could rebel against the  massed forces of media, the technocrats  and the political  orthodoxy was a benefit in itself. The suffragettes, the tollpuddle martyrs,  the levellers, Brexit- these are giant steps in the history of democracy.