Trump Booed at Arizona Rally Over His New Endorsement

[candide]

6 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Correct. He made the now legendary make your voices heard "peacefully and patriotically" Tweet. 

 

He then made 2 other Tweets which were deleted and Trump's Twitter account was suspended so he could not assist any further in keeping the protest safe and getting the crowds to disperse and go home.

 These deleted Tweets are a matter of public record, and show Trump was trying to persuade the crowd to go home. Having deleted allows bad faith characters - politicians and media - to claim he was trying to incite violence. But alas, as I said the tweets are public record.

 

"“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he tweeted. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/twitter-deletes-trump-tweet.html

 

I am hoping one of the the Aseannow Trump haters can explain exactly how "“Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!” means to riot, fight and violently overthrow the government in an act of insurrection?? Not holding my breath.

Go home with love and peace! 3 hours late. Lol!

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1 minute ago, Sparktrader said:

Most people who say that are lefties

Whatever the truth of that, it is the case that most people who claim "I don't like Trump but..." are totally enamored of him. Also those who say "I used to be a liberal but..." were never liberals.

[candide]

21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have a feeling that some Democrats saw an opportunity here .

Let the Trump supporters into the C.H  Building to protest and publicise that as being a revolution , to stop Trump running in four years time .

   Its quite simple when you think about it 

Wow! Two conspiracy theories in only 20 minutes time! ????

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, candide said:

The security at the Capitol has been poorly planned.. However, it doesn't exempt anyone for the assault, just like the fact that a bank may not be well guarded doesn't excuse gangsters of robbing it.

 

According to several converging testimonies under oath, there is no doubt that Trump did nothing during the protest, they can be easily found.. Before January 6, he only apparent contradiction is between Milley's statement on Fox News and his testimony under oath (but a testimony under oath is more relable).

Yes, well, I have not exempted anyone.

[Mac Mickmanus]

15 minutes ago, candide said:

While at the same time inflaming them....

Anyway, you are deflecting this was not what I was discussing, which were security issues, such as calling the National Guard

 

Trump did nothing during 3 hours while he was watching the mob assault the Capitol (which is exactly the topic of this thread.)

 

Well if you are going to be like that .

This thread is about Trumps at a rally in Arizona and his new nomination and nothing to do with the capital hill protests  

[candide]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Well if you are going to be like that .

This thread is about Trumps at a rally in Arizona and his new nomination and nothing to do with the capital hill protests  

Oooops! I confused two threads! ????

 

Anyway, it was not what I was discussing with Nauseus. 

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have a feeling that some Democrats saw an opportunity here .

Let the Trump supporters into the C.H  Building to protest and publicise that as being a revolution , to stop Trump running in four years time .

   Its quite simple when you think about it 

Simple maybe but true? 

[heybruce]

48 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Other people are also involved in saying where an when the N.G are deployed .

   Could have been that the other people were concerned about deploying the N.G to Capitol hill , because they were concerned that the N.G might side with the protestors . 

   Trump supporters protesting may have joined forces with the N.G and that would have caused even more problems 

 

42 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I've just said what I think to Placeholder but hear this:

 

Trump should have tried to call the mob out of the Capitol as soon as he was back at the WH. He was way too late - I don't know if he was waiting to see any outcome. 

 

If this was a planned violent attempt to prevent the certification of the election and an attempt to prevent the peaceful transition of power then I do not support that. However, I think that this whole day was an out of control sequence of events and that the opportunist rioters (not that many of of such a big crowd overall and not patriots) took advantage of the poor Capitol security staffing to break in and rampage. There were warnings, that even Cheyney was clear in describing, but no one wants to say why they were seemingly ignored.  

All this should be moved to https://aseannow.com/topic/1266671-trump-did-nothing-to-stop-his-supporters-as-they-attacked-congress-threatened-pence-witnesses-tell-jan-6-committee/

 

However since it is here I'll reply here:  Nothing explains why Trump did nothing while the Capitol was being stormed but watch the show.  Nothing except that he hoped the attack would succeed in preventing the election certification.  He could have stopped the attack with a tweet, but he chose to do nothing.  That is clear dereliction of duty.

 

Combine this with the fact that democracy can not exist without losing candidates accepting election results, and it is clear that Trump is unfit for office in any democratic society.

[heybruce]

26 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Correct. He made the now legendary make your voices heard "peacefully and patriotically" Tweet. 

 

He then made 2 other Tweets which were deleted and Trump's Twitter account was suspended so he could not assist any further in keeping the protest safe and getting the crowds to disperse and go home.

 These deleted Tweets are a matter of public record, and show Trump was trying to persuade the crowd to go home. Having deleted allows bad faith characters - politicians and media - to claim he was trying to incite violence. But alas, as I said the tweets are public record.

 

"“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he tweeted. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/twitter-deletes-trump-tweet.html

 

I am hoping one of the the Aseannow Trump haters can explain exactly how "“Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!” means to riot, fight and violently overthrow the government in an act of insurrection?? Not holding my breath.

A tweet that did not go out until after the attack failed to prevent certification of the election.

[heybruce]

45 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Trump did ask his protesting supporters to remain within the law and to stay peaceful and not to cause any violence 

What did he do when his voters stopped being peaceful and started causing violence?  He enjoyed the show on television.

40 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have a feeling that some Democrats saw an opportunity here .

Let the Trump supporters into the C.H  Building to protest and publicise that as being a revolution , to stop Trump running in four years time .

   Its quite simple when you think about it 

It's quite ridiculous when you think about it.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

A tweet that did not go out until after the attack failed to prevent certification of the election.

Please be honest. He told the crowd in his speech to make their voices heard "peacefully and patriotically", that is before anyone got into the capitol and way before the only person that died a violent death at the scene. that day Ashley Babbit, an unarmed female who was shot dead by a cop.

 

 That he backed up his earlier comments with a Tweet at around 6pm does not deserve mockery. He could have been concerned it would play out like the leftist insurrection the CHAZ which lasted for weeks. Reasonable that he would have concerns the right would copy the left's playbook.

[heybruce]

26 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Most people who say that are lefties

You have confirmed my original post:  Some people consider those who defend democracy to be leftists. 

 

Give us all a good laugh.  What do you consider to be a centrist?

[candide]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Yes, well, I have not exempted anyone.

Right.

However, I have observed a recurring pattern: when the assault topic is addressed, Trump supporters and assimilated) systematically come up "but security at Capitol...".

I guess I just wrongly assume that may be a way to dilute responsibilities.... or do I wrongly assume that It's a tactic to divert attention from the main issue?

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Please be honest. He told the crowd in his speech to make their voices heard "peacefully and patriotically", that is before anyone got into the capitol and way before the only person that died a violent death at the scene. that day Ashley Babbit, an unarmed female who was shot dead by a cop.

 

 That he backed up his earlier comments with a Tweet at around 6pm does not deserve mockery. He could have been concerned it would play out like the leftist insurrection the CHAZ which lasted for weeks. Reasonable that he would have concerns the right would copy the left's playbook.

Please be honest.  When it was clear the protest had degenerated into a violent attack on the Capitol, what did Trump do?

 

Answer:  He watched it on television.  Even though tweeting seems to be his favorite activity, he didn't send a tweet that could have stopped the attack.

 

Neither his few nice words during an otherwise incendiary speech promoting stolen election lies or his tweets after the fact to try and cover his inaction make up for the fact that he could have stopped the attack with a tweet and he did nothing.

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You have confirmed my original post:  Some people consider those who defend democracy to be leftists. 

 

Give us all a good laugh.  What do you consider to be a centrist?

It really is nothing to do with "defending democracy" .

That is a strawman position to take .

No one is actually opposed to the democratic process 

[Sparktrader]

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You have confirmed my original post:  Some people consider those who defend democracy to be leftists. 

 

Give us all a good laugh.  What do you consider to be a centrist?

I studied economics. How about you do the same.

 

 

[candide]

18 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Please be honest. He told the crowd in his speech to make their voices heard "peacefully and patriotically", that is before anyone got into the capitol and way before the only person that died a violent death at the scene. that day Ashley Babbit, an unarmed female who was shot dead by a cop.

 

 That he backed up his earlier comments with a Tweet at around 6pm does not deserve mockery. He could have been concerned it would play out like the leftist insurrection the CHAZ which lasted for weeks. Reasonable that he would have concerns the right would copy the left's playbook.

So it' just a misunderstanding. They just got inflamed by his other statements and did not notice this particular statement including "peacefully" ...

Wait! Why didn't he quickly told them that they misunderstood him, instead of watching the assault on TV for 3 hours? ????

Edited August 1, 2022 by candide

[Sparktrader]

Bill Clinton was a centreist I think. Sort of.

 

Hard to gauge unless you know them.

 

They say one thing do another.

 

Biden talks left yet his family lines their pockets.

 

Most big time socialists only apply socialism to others.

 

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2 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Biden talks left yet his family lines their pockets.

 

I was unaware the Biden had some sort of legal authority over his family.

[Mac Mickmanus]

24 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

  Nothing explains why Trump did nothing while the Capitol was being stormed but watch the show. 

 

19 minutes ago, heybruce said:

What did he do when his voters stopped being peaceful and started causing violence?  He enjoyed the show on television.

 

 

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Please be honest.  When it was clear the protest had degenerated into a violent attack on the Capitol, what did Trump do?

 

Answer:  He watched it on television. 

Hey Bruce , you have made the same point in three different posts in the space of 12 minutes . 

[heybruce]

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It really is nothing to do with "defending democracy" .

That is a strawman position to take .

No one is actually opposed to the democratic process 

It has everything to do with defending democracy.  Democracy can not exist in a society where losing candidates refuse to accept election results.  Trump has no business holding office in any democratic society.

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, candide said:

Right.

However, I have observed a recurring pattern: when the assault topic is addressed, Trump supporters and assimilated) systematically come up "but security at Capitol...".

I guess I just wrongly assume that may be a way to dilute responsibilities.... or do I wrongly assume that It's a tactic to divert attention from the main issue?

If you choose to assume then there'll be a good chance you are wrong. 

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4 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Most big time socialists only apply socialism to others.

 

Below is a definition of socialism. Give us some names of big time socialists who subscribe to this doctrine.

 

What Is Socialism?

Socialism is a populist economic and political system based on collective, common, or public ownership of the means of production. Those means of production include the machinery, tools, and factories used to produce goods that aim to directly satisfy human needs. In contrast to capitalism, whereby business owners control the means of production and pay wages to workers to use those means, socialism envisions shared ownership and control among the laboring class.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

 

 

Hey Bruce , you have made the same point in three different posts in the space of 12 minutes . 

And Trump's defenders divert away from it rather than address it every time.  Thanks for helping me make the point.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

 

 

Hey Bruce , you have made the same point in three different posts in the space of 12 minutes . 

There was a point in all that?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

And Trump's defenders divert away from it rather than address it every time.  Thanks for helping me make the point.

Could be because its off -topic ?

[Sparktrader]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

It has everything to do with defending democracy.  Democracy can not exist in a society where losing candidates refuse to accept election results.  Trump has no business holding office in any democratic society.

USA needs better voting scrutiny. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, heybruce said:

It has everything to do with defending democracy.  Democracy can not exist in a society where losing candidates refuse to accept election results.  Trump has no business holding office in any democratic society.

I was talking about your own political leanings rather than Trumps.

 

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Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could be because its off -topic ?

Whereas citing the failures of the Capitol Police isn't?

[heybruce]

14 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

I studied economics. How about you do the same.

That's a weird request.   What does economics have to do with my post and why do you want me to study it?