Truss surges ahead, wins key backers in U.K. leadership race for prime minister

[Bluespunk]

16 minutes ago, transam said:

Wasn't it you, bluespunk, that was complaining about non-action, when there obviously was behind the scenes as I suggested.............????

Nope. 

I repeatedly pointed out to you johnson made clear he wouldn’t act and he hasn’t. 
 

In fact I pointed out johnson, truss and sunak were doing nothing and not committing to a plan of action no matter who wins. 
 

None of those trying to push forward with windfall taxes are pm or competing to be pm. In addition the plans being considered are sunak’s rather than those truss advocates. 
 

Neither candidate has as of yet committed to following through on these moves, though I’m guessing sunak will as they are basically his idea. 
 

You really should pay attention to detail and not make false claims about what other posters say…

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nope. 

I repeatedly pointed out to you johnson made clear he wouldn’t act and he hasn’t. 
 

In fact pointed out johnson, truss and sunak were doing nothing and not committing to a plan of action no matter who wins. 
 

None of those trying to push forward with windfall taxes are pm or competing to be pm. In addition the plans being considered are sunak’s rather than those truss advocates. 
 

Neither candidate has as of yet committed to following through on these moves, though I’m guessing sunak will as they are basically his idea. 
 

You really should pay attention to detail and not make false claims about what other posters say…

But you did tell everyone they have been talking in the background, via your subscription to The Guardian post.....????

[Bluespunk]

Just now, transam said:

But you did tell everyone they have been talking in the background, via your subscription to The Guardian post.....????

What are you rambling about now?

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nope. 

I repeatedly pointed out to you johnson made clear he wouldn’t act and he hasn’t. 
 

In fact I pointed out johnson, truss and sunak were doing nothing and not committing to a plan of action no matter who wins. 
 

None of those trying to push forward with windfall taxes are pm or competing to be pm. In addition the plans being considered are sunak’s rather than those truss advocates. 
 

Neither candidate has as of yet committed to following through on these moves, though I’m guessing sunak will as they are basically his idea. 
 

You really should pay attention to detail and not make false claims about what other posters say…

Be Patient .

Wait until a leader has been elected .

Nothing can happen until then 

[Bluespunk]

24 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Be Patient .

Wait until a leader has been elected .

Nothing can happen until then 

You really should read the link I posted earlier...things are happening.

[Bluespunk]

Yet another truss u-turn coming up.
 

Sunak is all over this one..

 

“Liz Truss has denied she is ruling out providing extra help with energy bills beyond tax cuts, as the frontrunner for the Conservative leadership embarked on what appeared to be the beginnings of a U-turn on the issue.“

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/10/liz-truss-refuses-to-rule-out-help-with-energy-bills-in-apparent-u-turn-rishi-sunak?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Bluespunk]

Loved this exchange from truss’ gb news interview 

 

“Q: I am a carer and I work very hard for just under £70 a week. We save money for the NHS. I am having to use my life savings. What will you do to help?

 

Truss thanks the man for what he does. It is incredibly important, she says. She says it is better for people to be looked after by their families.

She wants to look at the tax system to ensure it can better support people who do take time off to care for someone, she says. But she would have to see how that interacts with the benefits system.

 

The questioner says carer’s allowance is a benefit. Changes to the tax system would not help, he says.

 

Truss says she wants to ensure money goes to councils, so they can help. But we need to look at the system, she says. She says she does not have a detailed answer. But in principle she wants to help people caring for people at home.

 

The questioner says government has had plenty of time to think about this. Carers cannot withdraw their labour, he says.

 

Truss says she will support families “who do the right thing”

 

You just got schooled truss…absolutely no grasp of minutia of her own policies. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/aug/10/liz-truss-rishi-sunak-conservative-leadership-race-chris-skidmore-defects-energy-prices-uk-politics-latest?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Bluespunk]

Sunak being pressed quite hard on bbc but starting to waffle and getting flustered when pressed on how he resigned from johnson’s govt. 

 

Almost lost his snake oil salesman cool. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/aug/10/liz-truss-rishi-sunak-conservative-leadership-race-chris-skidmore-defects-energy-prices-uk-politics-latest?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

He’s had a fair go at truss’ plans as well. 
 

Interview ends with interviewer letting everyone know truss dodged the invitation to be interviewed.

Maybe she hoped gb news would pitch softer questions…good job the audience didn’t. 

[Excel]

5 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Sunak being pressed quite hard on bbc but starting to waffle and getting flustered when pressed on how he resigned from johnson’s govt. 

 

Almost lost his snake oil salesman cool. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/aug/10/liz-truss-rishi-sunak-conservative-leadership-race-chris-skidmore-defects-energy-prices-uk-politics-latest?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

He’s had a fair go at truss’ plans as well. 
 

Interview ends with interviewer letting everyone know truss dodged the invitation to be interviewed.

Maybe she hoped gb news would pitch softer questions…good job the audience didn’t. 

And one comment from a BBC interview was this; Tory leadership: I'd rather lose doing right thing, says Sunak - BBC News

 

Could the UK be heading to the position where Sunak will leave the ultra far right tory regime, if Liz Truss gets the vote, and join Sir Kier Starmer's party so that he will become a centrist and popular chancellor when Labour will no doubt get that landslide victory in 2024 ?

[metisdead]

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[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Excel said:

And one comment from a BBC interview was this; Tory leadership: I'd rather lose doing right thing, says Sunak - BBC News

 

Could the UK be heading to the position where Sunak will leave the ultra far right tory regime, if Liz Truss gets the vote, and join Sir Kier Starmer's party so that he will become a centrist and popular chancellor when Labour will no doubt get that landslide victory in 2024 ?

I watched Sunak’s interview last night, he made a lot of sense and was directly addressing the problems people face with practical solutions.

 

He also, once again, exposed Truss’ plans for what they are, a tax give away to Corporations and the already wealthy with nothing but hopes of jam tomorrow for the people struggling to pay bills and feed themselves.

He would be a difficult leader to beat in an election.

 

Not so Truss.

 

Addressing your remarks about his future, he comes across very much as ‘old school Tory’ leaning more towards a Liberal than towards the swivel eyed loons of the ERG.

 

 

 

[Excel]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Addressing your remarks about his future, he comes across very much as ‘old school Tory’ leaning more towards a Liberal than towards the swivel eyed loons of the ERG.

I agree which is why I posed this thought of him changing alliances. Won't be the first time in history it has happened and perhaps more so if there was a possibility of a Lib Lab alliance once again. 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Excel said:

I agree which is why I posed this thought of him changing alliances. Won't be the first time in history it has happened and perhaps more so if there was a possibility of a Lib Lab alliance once again. 

Certainly not the first time, Truss is an example.

 

Like the man she hopes to replace she’ll do whatever is in her own best interest regardless of the consequences on others.

 

The Tory choice is stark.

 

Old school Tory liberalism or the extreme rightwing of the ERG.

 

 

[baboon]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Certainly not the first time, Truss is an example.

 

Like the man she hopes to replace she’ll do whatever is in her own best interest regardless of the consequences on others.

 

The Tory choice is stark.

 

Old school Tory liberalism or the extreme rightwing of the ERG.

 

 

Alas, I fear it will be the latter. If the ERG don't get their way, they will burn the house down out of sheer spite and moderate Tories know it.

'Either we run the place or nobody does.'

[transam]

1 minute ago, baboon said:

Alas, I fear it will be the latter. If the ERG don't get their way, they will burn the house down out of sheer spite and moderate Tories know it.

'Either we run the place or nobody does.'

Wow, that really is a way out assumption..............????

[baboon]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Wow, that really is a way out assumption..............????

What are you on about this time?

[baboon]

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Ultra far right Tory regime? 

Yes. Look at the Crime and Policing bill. Look at Truss wanting to abolish the right to strike. Look at the privatisation of Channel 4 for upsetting the regime. The UK is heading towards a very dark place indeed.

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, Excel said:

And one comment from a BBC interview was this; Tory leadership: I'd rather lose doing right thing, says Sunak - BBC News

 

Could the UK be heading to the position where Sunak will leave the ultra far right tory regime, if Liz Truss gets the vote, and join Sir Kier Starmer's party so that he will become a centrist and popular chancellor when Labour will no doubt get that landslide victory in 2024 ?

There certainly has been a lot revealed about how the tory party is split between two camps who clearly do not like, respect or have tolerance for each other or divergent views.
 

These will not be easy to heal and are going to haunt the party for a long time to come- or at least until there is a wholesale clear out of mps from one faction to the other. Whether this is through defections or electoral defeat I don’t know but the party is split and in deep trouble. 
 

Electing truss as leader is going to make things a lot worse for the party…

[Excel]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Electing truss as leader is going to make things a lot worse for the party…

Not to mention how much poorer the less well off millions in the country will become.

[Bluespunk]

Seems that truss is will to speak to Nicola Sturgeon though

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/10/nicola-sturgeon-says-liz-truss-asked-her-how-to-get-into-vogue?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

Love the final paragraph 

 

“The Guardian has approached Vogue for comment on whether Truss is to appear in a future issue.”

 

#votetruss- she really wants to be in Vogue magazine. 

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[Loiner]

3 hours ago, baboon said:

Alas, I fear it will be the latter. If the ERG don't get their way, they will burn the house down out of sheer spite and moderate Tories know it.

'Either we run the place or nobody does.'

Great idea. Let’s go for it. 

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

Yes. Look at the Crime and Policing bill. Look at Truss wanting to abolish the right to strike. Look at the privatisation of Channel 4 for upsetting the regime.

Full of great ideas today. Let’s flog the BBC off too, for anti-government leftist and woke propaganda.

[Bluespunk]

Hmm, truss camp appear to be getting antsy about sunak's campaign...going into attack mode

 

''Liz Truss, the foreign secretary, remains the frontrunner and this morning her camp is launching a fresh line of attack against her rival Rishi Sunak, the former chancellor. In an article for the Daily Telegraph two leading Truss supporters, Simon Clarke, the chief secretary to the Treasury, and Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, accuse him of frustrating government attempts to realise the benefits of Brexit. They write:

 

[Sunak] talks about cutting EU regulations, yet dug his heels in as chancellor against efforts to do exactly that and realise the benefits of Brexit. We both saw it in cabinet, including resisting reforms to the EU’s Solvency II regulation – making it harder for pension funds and investors to invest in British business and infrastructure – and being backward-leaning on moving ahead with legislation to fix issues with the Northern Ireland protocol.''

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/aug/11/tory-leadership-liz-truss-rishi-sunak-brexit-economy-uk-politics-latest?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-62f4acea8f083b8f443fefef#block-62f4acea8f083b8f443fefef

[Bluespunk]

Opening statement from truss at tonight’s hustings. 
 

“Pledging to not let the Lib Dems gain more councils across the country, Truss said she will “re-establish the Liberal Democrat unit at CCHQ to ensure a crackdown to stop that from happening”.

 

Sounds like she has lost the plot completely. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/aug/11/tory-leadership-liz-truss-rishi-sunak-brexit-economy-uk-politics-latest?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Bluespunk]

Now granted the above comment is probably a very poor joke, but still an odd way to start a debate. 
 

I am curious though as to why truss thinks there are women currently in gaol for not paying their tv licence…she also claimed this was the case during the hustings. 

[transam]

17 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Opening statement from truss at tonight’s hustings. 
 

“Pledging to not let the Lib Dems gain more councils across the country, Truss said she will “re-establish the Liberal Democrat unit at CCHQ to ensure a crackdown to stop that from happening”.

 

Sounds like she has lost the plot completely. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/aug/11/tory-leadership-liz-truss-rishi-sunak-brexit-economy-uk-politics-latest?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

"Lost the plot", I think that's Dianne Abbott, bluespunk, but it seems Liz Truss is still on course for the top job, and Rishi to the back benches

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, transam said:

"Lost the plot", I think that's Dianne Abbott, bluespunk, but it seems Liz Truss is still on course for the top job, and Rishi to the back benches

 

 

 

How many times does it need to be explained to you that Diane Abbott is a backbencher and for good reason. Whereas Liz Truss isn't for very bad reasons.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, transam said:

"Lost the plot", I think that's Dianne Abbott, bluespunk, but it seems Liz Truss is still on course for the top job, and Rishi to the back benches for being fishi. 

 

 

 

I hope you’re right. She is a gift to the opposition. 

She has no grasp of detail (she thought that carers allowance was taxable when responding to a carers question on how she would help those like him and said tax breaks blah blah blah. When the carer told her the allowance was a benefit and not subject to tax, she had no response on how she would help those like him) and is prone to ludicrous statements (for some reason during last nights hustings she made it clear she thinks there are women in gaol for tv license non payment). 

The opposition should be praying the tory base vote for her. 

 

#votetruss-the opposition’s choice. 

[Bluespunk]

Oh dear, truss drops another b******

Getting a lot of pushback after her comments, claims made with no evidence produced to back them up. 
 

“Mike Katz, of the Jewish Labour Movement, added: “We’re not sure what the ‘woke civil service culture that strays into antisemitism’ is. But what we are sure is that this is a desperate and divisive attempt by Liz Truss to drag Jews into her campaign to win over the Conservative membership with nonsense buzzword pledges.” 

 

Mike Clancy, the general secretary of Prospect, another civil service union, said Truss “should have a better grip on both the evidence and facts about what is happening in the civil service. If there is evidence, she should publish it”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/12/liz-truss-protect-british-jews-antisemitism-woke-culture?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other