FBI found more than 11,000 government records at Trump's Florida home

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8 minutes ago, candide said:

It could be.it also could be that she won the popular vote because some people people voted against Trump.

Certainly that explains the extremely number of  high popular vote and its outcome in the 2020 race.

[Walker88]

Security is so lax at MaL and 45 is so easy to manipulate that a guy successfully passed himself off as a Rothschild and got to go around the golf course with 45. A Chinese intel agent was able to purchase a membership to the club.

 

Imagine the folks who got into the place, recruited the undocumented alien staff so as to secure access to all the rooms, etc.

 

The Secret Service's job is to look after the ex-POTUS. They have no responsibility for looking after files. If 45 goes golfing or goes out of town, folks have virtual free reign of MaL.

 

Imagine what hostile intel services would pay to make copies of the nuclear capabilities contained in the docs. The nukes might be an adversary of some nation (e'g', what India might want to know about Pak nukes), or it could be russia or china wanting to know what the US knows---and doesn't know---about their nuke capabilities.

 

Unbelievably dangerous. I'm actually getting a little frustrated with the FBI and DoJ for not raiding the thief's clubs earlier. They should be in bedminster and 45 tower today.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Security is so lax at MaL and 45 is so easy to manipulate that a guy successfully passed himself off as a Rothschild and got to go around the golf course with 45. A Chinese intel agent was able to purchase a membership to the club.

 

Imagine the folks who got into the place, recruited the undocumented alien staff so as to secure access to all the rooms, etc.

 

The Secret Service's job is to look after the ex-POTUS. They have no responsibility for looking after files. If 45 goes golfing or goes out of town, folks have virtual free reign of MaL.

 

Imagine what hostile intel services would pay to make copies of the nuclear capabilities contained in the docs. The nukes might be an adversary of some nation (e'g', what India might want to know about Pak nukes), or it could be russia or china wanting to know what the US knows---and doesn't know---about their nuke capabilities.

 

Unbelievably dangerous. I'm actually getting a little frustrated with the FBI and DoJ for not raiding the thief's clubs earlier. They should be in bedminster and 45 tower today.

Who says they’ve not already searched Trump’s other addresses.

 

The only reason we know about the search of MaL is because Trump publicized the fact on his failing Truth Social propaganda service.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Thank you for proving my point. That's exactly what he said.

C'mon man.

Since when is "government" and "country" the same word...lol

[bendejo]

His foreign properties need to be searched.  The very fact classified docs were carried out of the country would set off sirens.  Better yet, if he passed them on to foreign buddies, like Orban, and said "hey, would you keep these for me?"

 

 

[Rimmer]

Multiple off topic posts about Hillary and her emails that have completely taken over the topic have been removed

[pomchop]

So at first all the trumpers screamed bloody murder and demanded more transparency as to why the search...so they get a listing followed by a more detailed listing and a picture showing more details on what trump had taken AFTER his term as POTUS ended.  They get confirmation that trump was offered multiple options to turn the docs over but stalled and lied over and over with his attorney certifying that after a diligent search ALL the docs had been turned over....another giant whopper. This information only confirmed the serious nature which trumpers had been denying all along only to be shown they were dead wrong.. 

 

Now a leak that docs related to Nuclear secrets...which may or may not have come from the DOJ or perhaps one of trumps attorneys who certified all had been returned trying in  a twisted way  to save her butt from prosecution? Or yet another mole/employee in mar a largo who had actually seen the top secret nuke  docs and had enough concern to make sure the country understood that all the nonsense about being like an overdue library book, or just like hillary or an excuse to riot when trump is indicted...maybe just maybe someone on the inside of the trump MAGA bunch had had enough of all the BS and wanted the nation to know the serious nature of what trump illegally possessed in a cavalier way......either way trumpers are quickly running out of even the most ridiculous "defenses" of the the FACT that trump screwed up big time. 

 

Trump is on tape babbling on about how he was increasing penalties for such reckless behavior as it is/was a massive threat to national security.....I would think that when the investigation is complete and he is indicted that the jury might be most interested in hearing him say in his own words that mishandling top secret govt docs  that NOBODY is above the law.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Same rules will mean he will cooperate with the investigation. Yes? 

And not plead the 5th.

[Walker88]

While the silly special master temporarily stops the intel community from doing a damage assessment---which additionally jeopardizes US national security (fine with magats)---any new material seized can be assessed instantly. DoJ should go to bedminster and 45 tower and search for documents that the initial assessment show are still missing. Also, the FBI can continue to interrogate sources who either acted as informants, or else other people now under investigation because they aided the criminal 45 in stealing highly classified documents, which is a felony. The bureau may learn that 45 moved docs or copies of docs from MaL to another of his properties.

 

If 45 continues with his lie about having declassified everything, he will have to assert that in court before a judge, and since zero record exists of him having done it (there would be a paper trail and signoffs by other agency heads plus the White House Counsel), if 45 asserts that before a judge he would be guilty of yet another felony.

[billd766]

16 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Recently biden stated you'd need F-15's not a gun to fight the government. The guys on dec 6 carried sticks.

 

It's ironic that most people I hear talking of civil war are part of biden's cult. Why is that?

But WHERE do you hear these people?

 

If, as you post, they are from President Biden's cult, whatever that is, did they start the talking or are they simply responding to Trump's cult, whatever that is.

 

The reason I ask, is that Trump's cult are the ones issuing threats and mayhem if he is even arrested, let alone if he is found guilty and jailed. How many would back up their words with deeds is not easy to know as many people talk the talk, but not necessarily walk the walk.

 

Are they Democrat civilians, Dem politicians local and national?

 

Or are they Republican civilians, Republicans politicians local and national?

 

If, as you post, they are from 

 

It helps if you clarify your post.

 

PS It is also polite to capitalise a persons name.

[metisdead]

Some more off topic posts and replies about Hillary and her emails have been removed

[candide]

56 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

I'm sure these two posts will be deleted for being off-topic, but for the technically illiterate:  You should always destroy the hard drive of computers and wipe clean or destroy any electronic device that might have bank information, tax records, etc. before disposing the devices.

 

People who clearly don't understand this are confirming that they don't understand how the modern world works.

Right! Professional tools are able to recover some information on HD and other devices, even after low level formatting. The quickest and safest way is the hammer.

[Walker88]

Because of a reputation for telling his lawyers to lie---for which they can be disbarred---and because rarely does he pay them, 45 has had a lot of trouble coming up with a crack legal team.

 

This is his team:

 

---a Florida insurance lawyer who never handled a federal case

 

---a former host on the far right network OAN

 

----a past general counsel for a parking garage company

 

Not exactly top shelf talent when you could be facing the rest of your life in jail, or if DoJ brings a charge of 'conspiracy to commit espionage', execution.

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

I recommend Saul Goodman, damn fine lawyer.

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25 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I recommend Saul Goodman, damn fine lawyer.

I suspect Saul Goodman would demand a big retainer up front. Trump's reputation precedes him.

[candide]

Trump strikes again! ????

 

"They leak, lie, plant fake evidence, allow the spying on my campaign, deceive the FISA Court, RAID and Break-Into my home, lose documents, and then they ask me, as the 45th President of the United States, to trust them," wrote Trump.

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-revives-claims-fbi-115435824.html

[xylophone]

11 hours ago, candide said:

Trump strikes again! ????

 

"They leak, lie, plant fake evidence, allow the spying on my campaign, deceive the FISA Court, RAID and Break-Into my home, lose documents, and then they ask me, as the 45th President of the United States, to trust them," wrote Trump.

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-revives-claims-fbi-115435824.html

Unfortunately this dumb clown can't help himself, but the saddest part about it all is that he talks himself into believing it, so that he can sound authoritative to his numb nut supporters, who simply swallow the Kool-Aid.

 

How on earth did the USA end up like this, with millions believing a known liar and cheat and someone who is as dumb as a bag of rocks.
 

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

Unfortunately this dumb clown can't help himself, but the saddest part about it all is that he talks himself into believing it, so that he can sound authoritative to his numb nut supporters, who simply swallow the Kool-Aid.

 

How on earth did the USA end up like this, with millions believing a known liar and cheat and someone who is as dumb as a bag of rocks.
 

I can remember back 30 years ago when his bid to build a Sydney casino was rejected by the NSW Govt. due his known poor character for his mafia/criminal connections.

 

Yet in 2016, he was nominated by GOP to hold the highest office in the world's most powerful country.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

32 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I can remember back 30 years ago when his bid to build a Sydney casino was rejected by the NSW Govt. due his known poor character for his mafia/criminal connections.

Not quite true .

Trump withdrew his offer/application to build a casino BEFORE the authorities gave their decision on whether to allow it 

[LosLobo]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Not quite true .

Trump withdrew his offer/application to build a casino BEFORE the authorities gave their decision on whether to allow it 

Maybe not quite true in an alternate reality!

 

"A bid by Donald Trump to build Sydney’s first casino was rejected 30 years ago after police expressed concerns about his links to the mafia".

 

Trump's bid for Sydney casino 30 years ago rejected due to 'mafia connections’ | Donald Trump | The Guardian

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Maybe not quite true in an alternate reality!

 

"A bid by Donald Trump to build Sydney’s first casino was rejected 30 years ago after police expressed concerns about his links to the mafia".

 

Trump's bid for Sydney casino 30 years ago rejected due to 'mafia connections’ | Donald Trump | The Guardian

"Concerns about links to the mafia"

No actual evidence or proof or anything , just "concerns"

[LosLobo]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

"Concerns about links to the mafia"

No actual evidence or proof or anything , just "concerns"

Enough proof?
 

Just What Were Donald Trump's Ties to the Mob? - POLITICO Magazine

 

Trump’s résumé is rife with mob connections - The Washington Post (googleusercontent.com)

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Enough proof?
 

Just What Were Donald Trump's Ties to the Mob? - POLITICO Magazine

 

Trump’s résumé is rife with mob connections - The Washington Post (googleusercontent.com)

Proof ?

 

That story eventually came out in a federal investigation, which also concluded that in a construction industry saturated with mob influence, the Trump Plaza apartment building most likely benefited from connections to racketeering.

 

 

   "Most likely" is proof ?

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Proof ?

 

That story eventually came out in a federal investigation, which also concluded that in a construction industry saturated with mob influence, the Trump Plaza apartment building most likely benefited from connections to racketeering.

 

 

   "Most likely" is proof ?

Definition of Mafia : any organized group of criminals, a group regarded as exerting a hidden sinister influence.

 

A Guide to Trump Allies Who've Pleaded Guilty or Been Convicted of Crimes (newsweek.com)

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Proof ?

 

That story eventually came out in a federal investigation, which also concluded that in a construction industry saturated with mob influence, the Trump Plaza apartment building most likely benefited from connections to racketeering.

 

 

   "Most likely" is proof ?

There is plenty of evidence. For the authorites that constitutes proof. This isn't a quesition of a criminal trial or even a civil one where preponderance of evidence is a lower standard thant beyond a reasonable doubt. They had evidence enough.

[candide]

https://www.politico.eu/article/world-cartoonist-week-event-putin-trump-war-nuclear-queen-italy-gas/

[ballpoint]

7 hours ago, xylophone said:

How on earth did the USA end up like this, with millions believing a known liar and cheat and someone who is as dumb as a bag of rocks.
 

A country where:

Federal judges, including those of the highest court in the land, are appointed for life according to their political affiliations, rather than their merits as a legal expert.

Rather than one man, one vote, the President is elected by a marble count, where those who have always had the most marbles (and I don't mean that as a term for intelligence, as it's actually quite the opposite) get the most votes.

The founding fathers - following a war for independence - thought it would be a good idea to allow the people to carry weapons, based on that war, in which two sides with equal, musket style, firepower slugged it out.

No term limits are set for the executive and legislative branches, meaning they are both filibustering sinecures for life.

Despite supposedly being secular, the church has a major say in law making, school agendas and people's rights.

Looney, violent fringe groups based on religion, racism, conspiracy theories and whatever else some kool-aid dispensing psychopath is fighting for, have historically been abundant - in far greater numbers than any other country in the world.

 

That's how.

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

A country where:

Federal judges, including those of the highest court in the land, are appointed for life according to their political affiliations, rather than their merits as a legal expert.

Rather than one man, one vote, the President is elected by a marble count, where those who have always had the most marbles (and I don't mean that as a term for intelligence, as it's actually quite the opposite) get the most votes.

The founding fathers - following a war for independence - thought it would be a good idea to allow the people to carry weapons, based on that war, in which two sides with equal, musket style, firepower slugged it out.

No term limits are set for the executive and legislative branches, meaning they are both filibustering sinecures for life.

Despite supposedly being secular, the church has a major say in law making, school agendas and people's rights.

Looney, violent fringe groups based on religion, racism, conspiracy theories and whatever else some kool-aid dispensing psychopath is fighting for, have historically been abundant - in far greater numbers than any other country in the world.

 

That's how.

 

 

 

Well, the President actually is limited to 2 terms in office.

[ballpoint]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, the President actually is limited to 2 terms in office.

Correct, I was a little misleading.  But many of his appointees, along with the senate and congress, have no term or age limits.

And it still doesn't change the point of my post.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Correct, I was a little misleading.  But many of his appointees, along with the senate and congress, have no term or age limits.

And it still doesn't change the point of my post.

 

 

 

Well, it is significant that the President can only serve 2 terms. And that is due to an amendment that I think was passed in the 1950s (maybe 40's?) Still you make a good point. Specifically in regard to the Supreme Court.. People can live a lot longer nowadays than when the Constitution was created.