How to become a criminal in Thailand without being in the country

[mario111]

As a warning, I want to share my long story of how a vengeful ex-girlfriend turned me into a criminal for immigration without having done anything wrong or even having been to Thailand. As I recently found out, immigration has an almost 30-year-old arrest warrant from 1994 in the file, although I was for the first time in Thailand ten years later (2004).

Sounds absurd, but that's really how it happened. When I applied for an Elite Visa some time ago, it was rejected by immigration during the background check without giving any reason. So I hired a lawyer to find out what was going on. It came out that the visa was rejected because I had an arrest warrant from 1994 in my file. As I said, I was in Thailand for the first time in 2004.

The contact person oft he lawyer was a former police chief and even he found the whole thing very mysterious and said he had never seen anything like it before. He could neither see what I should have done wrong because the case was too long ago or when this note was created.

I lived in Thailand on an O/A visa in 2018 and 2019 and at that time there were not the slightest problems with the visa issuance. So this mysterious arrest warrant could not have been in my file at the time and was added later. And my only "criminal offense" during many vacations and two years of permanent residence in Thailand was once a fine for driving without a helmet. I can't even come up with a single overstay.

It quickly became clear that someone had planted something on me in order to have me declared an undesirable person in Thailand. And that can only have been an ex-girlfriend because only she knew my personal data and had the appropriate contacts. Brothers and relatives worked for immigration or the police, and the daughter was a prospective judge at the time. So she definitely had the opportunity to pin something on me. Ironically, this lady was only a short brief online acquaintance that I saw once for three days at the end of 2019. But who was very bitter when I ended the long-distance relationship after returning to Europe and before the pandemic.

The lawyer himself cannot make sense of this absurd story and advised me to appeal the arrest warrant in court. Which would mean for me to pay a lot of money for a process and that I would first have to make a day trip to the local embassy to have the signature for the objection notarized there! As things stand at the moment, I will do without it and simply remove Thailand from my list completely in the future.

Of course, it annoys me that I have to change my future plans because of this lady and that she is successful. But my story shows all the hypocrisy in Thailand for me. On the one hand they always play the clean man (good guys in, bad guys out), on the other hand someone can just write you a completely fabricated 30-year-old arrest warrant in your file at immigration and nobody will notice. So where are the bad guys?

I can not trust in such a banana republic anymore, where anyone with the appropriate contacts can accuse you of committing a crime and there is nothing you can do about it.

[RedArmy]

This should be posted in the "Drama" section.

[Boomer6969]

Look at the bright side, this woman saves you from yet another mistake. Forget Thailand, easy.

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1 hour ago, mario111 said:

The contact person oft he lawyer was a former police chief

Ferrari JOE! Good "lawyer" has really nice contact's ex cop! You see some girl 3 days and she so bist that plan somenthig bad in your information. But she so stupid and also her IO family members(who not see in IO information that you have not been in LOS at time)that they make "ghost" file ! This story smell like Chanel 5...... No ..... huge bile of BS!

[Don Chance]

Being a farang in Thailand is an offense in it self.

[FritsSikkink]

There is something you can do about it but you don't want to do it. Big difference. So either do something about and give some proof or don't bother joining a forum and make up stories.

[Eddie45]

Dude you need to be more street wise.  You said "Ironically, this lady was only a short brief online acquaintance that I saw once for three days at the end of 2019" How did a lady that you met online and spent 3 days with know all your personal data. 

[damen]

I would say this is kind of pure bs. My wife father is a judge. Even him can't do a backdate offence. 

[crazykopite]

Never discuss your private life with anyone especially a woman that’s lesson number one 

[Hummin]

Anyone know how much resources it takes to make a plot like this? A plot based on a long distance relationship and a few days meeting in person, and then make the plot to be 30 years back? 
 

Bull pie ???? 

 

Either something op do not tell us, or he is just full of ….

[micmichd]

1 hour ago, Don Chance said:

Being a farang in Thailand is an offense in it self.

Some ex-girlfriends / alimony scroungers in Farangistan would certainly agree with you. 

So, on what grounds was the warrant issued and who initiated it? 

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, Don Chance said:

Being a farang in Thailand is an offense in it self.

Another general bull pie statement!

[Andycoops]

An amusing tale and quite probable bearing in mind that people there can get jobs although completely unqualified, just look at the government, with a few senior contacts in the right places and are only found out when a maid is abused.

 

Thai society is full of patronage and forelock tugging in case you didn't know.

 

Hard luck and visit Vietnam and other countries in SE Asia instead.

[BTB1977]

I call <deleted>

[sallecc]

1 hour ago, damen said:

I would say this is kind of pure bs. My wife father is a judge. Even him can't do a backdate offence. 

With all due respect, everything is possible in LOSS (Land of Special Services), with connections to crooked higher ups ????

 

While I have no idea if OP story is true or not, it was an interesting read anyway, be it true or fiction ????

[swm59nj]

I would think if this woman and her connections did this to harm you.  They would have made the false record on the time you were actually here.  Not when you weren’t. 

[decca60]

I think this girl is the only one who can force " Red bull boss" to come back to Thailand  ???????????? mythomaniac  at its best. 

[BonMot]

5 hours ago, mario111 said:

banana republic

It is.

 

It's a country run on corruption and venality.

 

Cross the wrong petty people and you can be killed.

 

Remember all those backpacker murders?

 

Which ones you're asking right??

 

A Ko Samui

B KSR / Natl library

C Chaing Mai

 

Oh, so many.. unsolved

 

But it's true for Thais as well not that it makes your situation better.

 

Just stay out of the Philippines!!!!

 

 

Thanks for the laff. +1 for the first post lol

[BritTim]

I think this is most likely fiction, but there is a small chance it could be true. We do not know what happened during that three-day period when they were together. There are Thai women, especially those with high social status, who can get very, very upset if they feel they have been hoodwinked into a sexual encounter under false pretences.

 

The possible explanation for creating a 30-year-old arrest record is that it might be difficult to disprove. Yes, the OP may not have been in Thailand at that time, but I believe Immigration's computer records do not go back that far. The girl may not have known the date of the OP's prior visits to Thailand, and there is too much risk involved in creating a recent record where the signatures on documents are of people who are still alive, and exculpatory evidence too likely to be available.

 

Thus, yes, I doubt it is true. But, it is conceivable.

[Stevemercer]

I have a friend (woman) who befriended a farang earlier this year. The relationship went great guns for awhile. He already lived in Thailand and he suspected he had a Thai wife. One day when she wasn't home he stole 100,000 Baht of gold jewelry from her home and cut contact.

 

She was too embarrased to admit she had made such a mistake and didn't want to make a song and dance. But she did have his passport details and made a report to police.

 

While the police didn't chase it up, they placed the report on his record (including immigration). I doubt immigration will do anything, but it may be a shock to his wife when he next goes to immigration for an extension or something.

[jack71]

5 hours ago, Eddie45 said:

Dude you need to be more street wise.  You said "Ironically, this lady was only a short brief online acquaintance that I saw once for three days at the end of 2019" How did a lady that you met online and spent 3 days with know all your personal data. 

Yes, one should lock the wallet in the hotel safe for short time or long time girls

 

Ladies, liquor and leverage. The 3 downfalls to a mans life

[JoseThailand]

Thai ladies are like that. They can do a lot of harm.

[Myran]

Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.

[Sparktrader]

7 hours ago, RedArmy said:

This should be posted in the "Drama" section.

I reckon its a typo

Different person same name

[Sparktrader]

59 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:

He already lived in Thailand and he suspected he had a Thai wife.

So it was 2 men dating?

[natway09]

Something smells like fish & something is missing from the epistle

[peterfranks]

Even if the warrant is true, why would she backdate it 10 years before she ever could have met the OP.

 

[Lorry]

3 hours ago, Stevemercer said:

One day when she wasn't home he stole 100,000 Baht of gold jewelry from her home and cut contact.

That's what she says, and what she told the police. 

Kind of similar to OP's story,  isn't it? 

Many Thai women know that they can file a police report and claim all kinds of things about their ex. How many do this actually? Do police take them serious? No idea.

[Phnom Penh Trader]

Meth,not even once!

[mario111]

After the many comments, I'll write something again, although I really only wanted to share the story.

I can understand why so many people think it's a fake story. When I first heard about this alleged arrest warrant from '94, I couldn't believe it myself. I thought it was a mix up. But I have a photo of the entry from the immigration file in front of me. I have to rely on the lawyer for the translation and of course I will not share it here.

I think BritTim's analysis is pretty close to the truth. The contacts of the lady in question deliberately chose a date of 30 years ago, so that the trail cannot be traced back to them. And of course it's impossible for me to prove that I wasn't in Thailand 30 years ago.

Suppose I would have the entry reviewed by a court. What would happen? Thais would never admit that the judiciary in the promised land of Buddha is so corrupt that an arrest warrant can simply be planted on someone after the fact. Thailand is perfect and when in doubt, it's the foreigner's fault. Besides, I just don't think it's worth bothering with anymore.

Once again it became clear to me that Thailand is unfortunately a banana republic in which you have absolutely no rights. And there are so many beautiful countries (Bali, Spain, ...) where you can live comfortably. It's certainly not perfect there either, and the countries have their own problems, but at least they're not thoroughly corrupt like Thailand.

I don't care if someone believes me or not, that's up to you. In Thailand you can live very comfortably, there are wonderful people there and I begrudge everyone if they are happy here. For me personally it's just like that, after the experiences here I prefer other countries.