New York attorney general files civil fraud lawsuit against Trump, some of his children and his business

[stevenl]

18 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Being convicted apparently won't automatically stop him from running for president.

It may stop him from voting

But I think some of the crimes he is accused of could result in getting barred from public office.

[Scott]

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[bendejo]

On 9/23/2022 at 4:17 AM, 300sd said:

I don't listen to CNN. Anyone else have this information?

None so blind as those who will not see. 

 

5 hours ago, Mavideol said:

would be surprised to know how many of his followers will back him if he's convicted, are there enough closed eyes and brain damaged morons on his gang

With all of his idiocy they've defended, the friends and family they've alienated, and the money they've sent to him, well, it takes a special kind of person to admit to being wrong.  Anyone who hasn't owned up by now is beyond reach.  E.g. when the Bannon wall scam was revealed the True Orange supporters said their leader didn't do anything wrong, it was all the parasites around him doing those terrible things.  This is the defense of him Kellyanne has been peddling. 

Something not uncommon in the US is some free-lance christian preacher (no shortage of those!) will announce that a certain date will be the end of days.  There is always one pending, MSM hardly mentions them anymore.  Well, this guy and his ilk have been playing this coming attractions bs since June 2015.  Maybe not armaggeddon but you can have fun trying to track all the times the pillow guy said things like "next Wednesday at 3 o'clock the truth will be revealed and all this will be settled and DT will be back in the White House."  How many of these can a person hear and not catch on?

 

 

[bendejo]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Maybe even cut off from internet access as well. He could tweet by carrier pigeons?

Send him to St Helena and eliminate all communication, let him die there and be buried in Napoleon's former grave. 

Why hasn't the document search involved his UK properties?  If the Brits bust him maybe my St Helena plan could work.

 

Oh, and NO MIRRORS or haircare products.

 

 

[300sd]

13 hours ago, bendejo said:

None so blind as those who will not see. 

Yeh that's right. I see how well your America is doing with the present traitor. Perhaps you should have a look if you can still see!

[metisdead]

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1 hour ago, 300sd said:

Yeh that's right. I see how well your America is doing with the present traitor. Perhaps you should have a look if you can still see!

Rumor is that Biden is such a traitor that he leaves highly classified documents in places that are easily accessible to foreign agents. Lock him up!

[pomchop]

1 hour ago, 300sd said:

Yeh that's right. I see how well your America is doing with the present traitor. Perhaps you should have a look if you can still see!

see no evil hear no evil....the republican motto.

[candide]

2 hours ago, 300sd said:

Yeh that's right. I see how well your America is doing with the present traitor. Perhaps you should have a look if you can still see!

Do you mean Biden is conspiring to overturn the next elections and assault the Capitol? ????

[300sd]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Do you mean Biden is conspiring to overturn the next elections and assault the Capitol? ????

Biden can only sign his name and get lost on stage. How's that run up to the next civil war going? Bring the country together huh! That gov't has put the finishing touches on ripping the country apart. Humpty dumpty has fallen off the wall. Do you think it's because of blind hate?

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21 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Biden can only sign his name and get lost on stage. How's that run up to the next civil war going? Bring the country together huh! That gov't has put the finishing touches on ripping the country apart. Humpty dumpty has fallen off the wall. Do you think it's because of blind hate?

Thanks for not addressing the issue of why you characterized him as a traitor but rather indulging in an all-purpose rant.

[300sd]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for not addressing the issue of why you characterized him as a traitor but rather indulging in an all-purpose rant.

It's pretty obvious isn't it? (with all due respect). The country doesn't seem to be doing very well. Actually is seems to be destroying itself from within. Or is he just fixing what Trump screwed up?

I'm on the outside looking in and I think what's going on is sad.

 

Let me address one issue then: he's sold your oil reserves to the highest bidder or he is going to do that. (in November, wonder why?) The reserves are at the lowest level ever. He's done this to lower fuel prices in the US. Hasn't this gov't caused the higher prices? I thought that supply was to save for war and the military if needed? 

[300sd]

19 hours ago, bendejo said:

Send him to St Helena and eliminate all communication, let him die there and be buried in Napoleon's former grave. 

Why hasn't the document search involved his UK properties?  If the Brits bust him maybe my St Helena plan could work.

 

Oh, and NO MIRRORS or haircare products.

 

 

Sad

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2 hours ago, 300sd said:

It's pretty obvious isn't it? (with all due respect). The country doesn't seem to be doing very well. Actually is seems to be destroying itself from within. Or is he just fixing what Trump screwed up?

I'm on the outside looking in and I think what's going on is sad.

 

Let me address one issue then: he's sold your oil reserves to the highest bidder or he is going to do that. (in November, wonder why?) The reserves are at the lowest level ever. He's done this to lower fuel prices in the US. Hasn't this gov't caused the higher prices? I thought that supply was to save for war and the military if needed? 

i see that you've been watching videos containing  more right wing nonsense. 

 

U.S. Selling Oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to the Highest Bidding Companies

"However, because the price of gasoline depends largely on the cost of crude oil, which is mostly based on global supply and demand, experts told us that oil sold from the reserve does not need to stay in the U.S. to bring down gasoline prices.

“Whether it stays in the United States or goes somewhere else is less important than does it succeed in changing the global balance of supply and demand, because that’s what drives the price,” Mark Finley, a fellow in energy and global oil at Rice University’s Baker Institute for Public Policy, told us in an interview.

And since Congress lifted a nearly 40-year ban on most U.S. crude oil exports in 2015, the Department of Energy, which maintains the stockpile, cannot dictate whether companies can export oil purchased from the petroleum reserve, the department said in an email."

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/u-s-selling-oil-from-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-the-highest-bidding-companies/?gclid=CjwKCAjw-L-ZBhB4EiwA76YzOUa7d1DB-uLLZdtwICrb90hUp6fPpvONWW2TPDsrSfEKxmDf9_-PCRoCQwUQAvD_BwE

By law, the government is obliged to sell the oil to the highest bidder.

And the reserve is also specifically authorized  to be released when there are disruptions to supply.

You know, you can look this stuff up.

[candide]

1 hour ago, 300sd said:

It's pretty obvious isn't it? (with all due respect). The country doesn't seem to be doing very well. Actually is seems to be destroying itself from within. Or is he just fixing what Trump screwed up?

I'm on the outside looking in and I think what's going on is sad.

 

Let me address one issue then: he's sold your oil reserves to the highest bidder or he is going to do that. (in November, wonder why?) The reserves are at the lowest level ever. He's done this to lower fuel prices in the US. Hasn't this gov't caused the higher prices? I thought that supply was to save for war and the military if needed? 

It looks like you are quite uninformed about the energy issue. There is no scarcity of energy in the U.S. and the country is more or less self-sufficient. The problem is that prices are global and not national. So the U.S. government did not cause the higher global prices, they are caused by global demand and supply.

 

Strategic reserves were useful when the U.S. was a net importer, but It's not the case any more, thanks to a policy initiated under the Obama administration.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/03/08/surprise-the-us-is-still-energy-independent/

[EVENKEEL]

The liberals are oozing sheer desperation which will not go unseen come mid elections. This is so boring.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, candide said:

It looks like you are quite uninformed about the energy issue. There is no scarcity of energy in the U.S. and the country is more or less self-sufficient. The problem is that prices are global and not national. So the U.S. government did not cause the higher global prices, they are caused by global demand and supply.

 

Strategic reserves were useful when the U.S. was a net importer, but It's not the case any more, thanks to a policy initiated under the Obama administration.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/03/08/surprise-the-us-is-still-energy-independent/

He is uninformed because he claims to be an outsider looking in. I do wonder why all those making that claim are defending Trump and attacking Biden, all with incorrect arguments sourced from alt right sources.

[Chomper Higgot]

44 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The liberals are oozing sheer desperation which will not go unseen come mid elections. This is so boring.

I watched AG James’ announcement from start to finish.

 

She didn’t look or sound like someone ‘oozing desperation’.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

43 minutes ago, stevenl said:

He is uninformed because he claims to be an outsider looking in. I do wonder why all those making that claim are defending Trump and attacking Biden, all with incorrect arguments sourced from alt right sources.

Rightwing hate is an international brand - who knew?!

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On 9/22/2022 at 7:44 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

"Former Attorney General Bill Barr dismissed the lawsuit filed by the New York attorney general against former President Donald Trump and his children as a "political hit job," telling Fox News it is yet another symptom of "Trump derangement syndrome" and the left's desire to "punish" Trump.

"It’s hard for me not to conclude it’s a political hit job," Barr said Wednesday on "America Reports." "This is a woman who campaigned for office promising she was going to go after Trump, which I think is a tremendous abuse of office to go head-hunting and targeting individuals."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-ag-trump-lawsuit-political-hit-job-lefts-desire-punish-him-bill-barr

 

If even Trump hater Bill Barr admits this is "abuse of office" and another in a long line of witch hunts I think this is another one to ignore. I am wondering when and how this nonsensical persecution of Trump will end. Pretty stunning to think after 6 years of the biggest investigation into all aspects of a persons life this is the best they can come up with. Pure desperation.

Bill Barr a "Trump hater'? This is the guy who lied for Trump about the contents of the Mueller report. For which he was severely reproached by a judge. This is the guy who pressured Federal Prosecutors to leave Trump's friends and associates alone and to go after his opponents. And just because he couldn't go along with Trump's lunacy about fake elections, he's an enemy?  Your gratitude, like Trump's, seems to be  based on: "What has he done for us in the last 5 minutes?".

[ballpoint]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Rightwing hate is an international brand - who knew?!

America's biggest export under Trump.  Sold to the lowest bidder.

[bendejo]

6 hours ago, candide said:

It looks like you are quite uninformed about the energy issue.

It's by choice. 

 

[candide]

An interesting consequence may be an IRS federal investigation

 

"How would an IRS investigation differ from the New York one?

It would be about federal tax laws, in particular. The IRS will be looking for an answer to this question: “Did Trump overstate the valuation of any property he gave to charity?” The New York attorney general is concerned that he did.

The possible overvaluation relates to two different properties in Westchester, a county outside of New York City, and in Florida. What is at issue for the IRS is whether Trump correctly claimed the proper deduction, or whether he overstated, in a fraudulent way, the value of what he gave to charity. An overstatement of what he gave away would mean that the former president took a bigger income tax deduction than the one he was entitled to."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-yorks-250-million-lawsuit-against-donald-trump-is-the-beginning-not-end-of-this-casea-tax-lawyer-explains-whats-at-stake-11663869825?siteid=yhoof2

 

More detail about Trumps "donations" here. What a crook!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/10/23/vast-majority-of-trumps-charitable-giving-reportedly-came-from-land-deals/?sh=85764bb610df

 

Expect more witch hunt whining from Trump and MAGA fans...

 

[bendejo]

On 9/22/2022 at 5:11 AM, Gecko123 said:

Barr's main reason for criticizing the lawsuit was because he felt it unfairly dragged Trump's kids into the lawsuit.

Unfair indeed!  Dragging in some politician's adult children is something no god and country conservative would do, oh wait, I haven't seen the phrase "Hunter Biden's laptop" on a newsfeed for at least at hour, maybe my browser is having problems.  And then the stuff about Biden's daughter's diary.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/guilty-pleas-in-theft-of-diary-of-ashley-biden-daughter-of-president.html

 

My memory of US presidents goes back to Eisenhower, and I have never heard of a president's kid(s) comment on anything governmental or political while dad was in office (not even Ford's kids, how many did he have, 17? ).  Maybe if Don Jr stuck to cocaine and pleasuring his nympho girlfriend he wouldn't have so many problems.

https://www.thewrap.com/kimberly-guilfoyle-left-fox-news-after-sexual-misconduct-investigation-report/

 

 

[Gecko123]

37 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Unfair indeed!  Dragging in some politician's adult children is something no god and country conservative would do, oh wait, I haven't seen the phrase "Hunter Biden's laptop" on a newsfeed for at least at hour, maybe my browser is having problems.  And then the stuff about Biden's daughter's diary.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/guilty-pleas-in-theft-of-diary-of-ashley-biden-daughter-of-president.html

 

My memory of US presidents goes back to Eisenhower, and I have never heard of a president's kid(s) comment on anything governmental or political while dad was in office (not even Ford's kids, how many did he have, 17? ).  Maybe if Don Jr stuck to cocaine and pleasuring his nympho girlfriend he wouldn't have so many problems.

https://www.thewrap.com/kimberly-guilfoyle-left-fox-news-after-sexual-misconduct-investigation-report/

 

 

The lawsuit spells out in detail exactly why the children were named as defendants. This isn't a case where they were filling in for daddy and unwittingly signing documents which they had no way of knowing whether they were valid or not. There's hard evidence against them that they knew exactly what was going on.

 

Because of DJT's history of overstating his wealth for vanity and political purposes, many people don't understand the real reason the overstatement of assets was done. In a nutshell, the more the assets were inflated, the stronger the Trump organization's financial strength appeared to be, and the more money Trump was able to borrow and at more favorable terms. The amount of money he was able to save hundreds of millions of dollars through these fraudulent manipulations. Most of the loans the Trump organization took out had requirements that the corporation maintain certain debt to asset ratios and make a Statement of financial condition on an annual basis. He met these loan terms by fraudulently manipulating asset values.

 

When Trish James described the amount of fraudulent activity as "staggering" she wasn't exaggerating. They appear to have flagrantly misrepresented the balance sheet at practically every opportunity. Alan Weisselberg wasn't some accounting Svengali who found legal ways to maximize profits. He was the guy with the technical accounting skills that enabled Trump and his kids to defraud people left and right. It's all spelled out in the lawsuit in detail, and I encourage, everyone, especially die-hard Trump supporters, to read it.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/21/read-ag-tish-james-trump-organization-lawsuit-00058030

Edited September 26, 2022 by Gecko123

[bendejo]

I know this doesn't pertain to the NY case, but I would think if all this number-juggling is proven true the IRS will have no choice but to act upon it.  As with all the cases involving this scofflaw crew if they are not brought to justice it will inspire other low-life characters to be as bold.

We hear about accountants keeping 2 sets of books, gotta wonder how many Weisselberg kept.

 

 

[candide]

8 hours ago, bendejo said:

I know this doesn't pertain to the NY case, but I would think if all this number-juggling is proven true the IRS will have no choice but to act upon it.  As with all the cases involving this scofflaw crew if they are not brought to justice it will inspire other low-life characters to be as bold.

We hear about accountants keeping 2 sets of books, gotta wonder how many Weisselberg kept.

 

 

It would be particularly interesting to know how he valued the properties he donated to charity. If a property is worth 10, and you deduct a value of 30 (a 3 times overvaluation seems to be modest, by Trumps standard) , that's 20 net in your pocket.

Knowing the Donald, I doubt he could have resisted scamming the IRS. ????

[Scott]

I believe you can assign a value to thing but if you want to steer clear of problems with the IRS, it's best to have some realistic reason for the value you assign to it.   When it comes to property, there are professional assessors who do it.  

 

I had some inherited farm land that after years we decided to sell.  Fortunately, there was a pretty comprehensive evaluation of the property made, it included the type of land (based on soil samples), it included wet land areas, it included pasture land and it assigned value to all buildings.  It also deducted from the overall evaluation issues that may require upgrading prior to sale -- such as a septic system.  

 

When it was sold, years later, some family thought we could value it higher than the assessment and thereby avoid capital gains taxes.  I resisted.  It was not worth the risk.  There was a fair value (no other land sales in the area differed by much at that time). 

 

I know a few people that have run afoul of the IRS and it's a very unpleasant organization.   I certainly wanted to stay on the safe side.  

[bendejo]

5 hours ago, Scott said:

I know a few people that have run afoul of the IRS and it's a very unpleasant organization.   I certainly wanted to stay on the safe side. 

The MAGA crowd is calling for shutting down the IRS and the FBI.  They think if there is no IRS there will be no more income tax and with no FBI then the charlatans they follow will no longer have to follow laws.  Well, no one ever referred to it an an intellectual movement.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Scott said:

I believe you can assign a value to thing but if you want to steer clear of problems with the IRS, it's best to have some realistic reason for the value you assign to it.   When it comes to property, there are professional assessors who do it.  

 

I had some inherited farm land that after years we decided to sell.  Fortunately, there was a pretty comprehensive evaluation of the property made, it included the type of land (based on soil samples), it included wet land areas, it included pasture land and it assigned value to all buildings.  It also deducted from the overall evaluation issues that may require upgrading prior to sale -- such as a septic system.  

 

When it was sold, years later, some family thought we could value it higher than the assessment and thereby avoid capital gains taxes.  I resisted.  It was not worth the risk.  There was a fair value (no other land sales in the area differed by much at that time). 

 

I know a few people that have run afoul of the IRS and it's a very unpleasant organization.   I certainly wanted to stay on the safe side.  

The thing is, in the Trump organization's case, it's not just about an opinion on the value a various properties..  It's about outright lying. For example, he claimed his apartment's area was 30,000 square feet. It was 11, 000 square feet. And there's lots more stuff like that.