Ukraine applies for Nato membership after Russia annexes territory

[Gweiloman]

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Conspiracy theory garbage. 

Putin chose this war.

If it continues to escalate that's on Putin too.

If the west stops weapons supply to Ukraine, the war will stop immediately. Then let diplomacy take its course. But of course, there are some that wants the war to continue for as long as possible.

[billd766]

53 minutes ago, Adumbration said:

No its not.  America, and the west, are systematically removing all of the off ramps to deescalate this conflict.  Same thing happened in the lead up to WW1.  The world went to war because of an isolated incident.  That is where this is headed.  But that has been the US plan all along. 

So you are privy to all the secret and not so secret plans in the USA.

 

Well done. Do you have any more secrets hidden up your shirt sleeves?

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Just now, Gweiloman said:

If the west stops weapons supply to Ukraine, the war will stop immediately. Then let diplomacy take its course. But of course, there are some that wants the war to continue for as long as possible.

You mean the Russians will stay in place and not take advantage of the situation and at the least occupy territory that they claim is now part of Russia?

How about Russia withdraw from Ukraine and end its massvie violation of international law. Then let diplomacy take its course.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

If the west stops weapons supply to Ukraine, the war will stop immediately. Then let diplomacy take its course. But of course, there are some that wants the war to continue for as long as possible.

If Putin stops the illegal invasion the war stops immediately and no further innocent civilians will be killed, murdered and raped.

[billd766]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

If the west stops weapons supply to Ukraine, the war will stop immediately. Then let diplomacy take its course. But of course, there are some that wants the war to continue for as long as possible.

And if the west stops supplying weapons to the Ukraine will the Russians stop the war as well? Will they with draw from all the areas of the Ukraine that they have invaded.

 

IMHO there is not a chance of that.

 

Prove me wrong.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Adumbration said:

No its not.  America, and the west, are systematically removing all of the off ramps to deescalate this conflict.  Same thing happened in the lead up to WW1.  The world went to war because of an isolated incident.  That is where this is headed.  But that has been the US plan all along. 

Actually, the off ramps aren't being removed. Lately Russian troops have been retreating on them in Donbas and now in Kherson.

[Gweiloman]

10 minutes ago, Dan O said:

More conspiracy bs. No need to bomb pipelines as Russia shut down the own pipelines to EU and are focusing on selling oil to India, China and Asia.  No need to create hidden agendas as Russia is effective broke and thats part of their impetus to take over other areas. Ukraine accounted for about 30% of the international agro market not to mention their other resources which are very inviting to putin not to mention his mental impairment over trying to re-establish some form of the USSR prior to their fall back in the 80's.  Keep in mind putin is ex-KGB and was in his heyday back then  

As you said, Russia shut down their own pipelines and thus did not need to bomb them.. I guess this is as easily done as turning a valve or something like that. No need to engage in a dangerous situation such as planting huge amounts of explosives on 4 different pipelines. Begs the question then of who might have have done such an irresponsible act. Cui bono and only one nation comes out on top.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Gweiloman said:

As you said, Russia shut down their own pipelines and thus did not need to bomb them.. I guess this is as easily done as turning a valve or something like that. No need to engage in a dangerous situation such as planting huge amounts of explosives on 4 different pipelines. Begs the question then of who might have have done such an irresponsible act. Cui bono and only one nation comes out on top.

You could go to the Pipeline thread and stay on topic where this has been discussed many times including by you

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Just now, Gweiloman said:

As you said, Russia shut down their own pipelines and thus did not need to bomb them.. I guess this is as easily done as turning a valve or something like that. No need to engage in a dangerous situation such as planting huge amounts of explosives on 4 different pipelines. Begs the question then of who might have have done such an irresponsible act. Cui bono and only one nation comes out on top.

Actually it would make sense for Russia to bomb their pipeline. That way they could claim that they want to restore natural gas supplies to Europe but can't because of the dastardly act committed by some western malefactor.

[Gweiloman]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You mean the Russians will stay in place and not take advantage of the situation and at the least occupy territory that they claim is now part of Russia?

How about Russia withdraw from Ukraine and end its massvie violation of international law. Then let diplomacy take its course.

 

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

If Putin stops the illegal invasion the war stops immediately and no further innocent civilians will be killed, murdered and raped.

 

10 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And if the west stops supplying weapons to the Ukraine will the Russians stop the war as well? Will they with draw from all the areas of the Ukraine that they have invaded.

 

IMHO there is not a chance of that.

 

Prove me wrong.

 

 

Yes, the war can also be probably stopped the way you all suggested. However, it’s naive to think that will happen. So the war will continue and Europe (and probably Russia as well) will continue to suffer. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face lol. 

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

If the west stops weapons supply to Ukraine, the war will stop immediately. Then let diplomacy take its course. But of course, there are some that wants the war to continue for as long as possible.

Garbage.

Putin the Horrible would then continue and annex the entire country.

There are no equivalents here. Putin invaded. Putin is doing sham annexations. Ukraine is DEFENDING. 

[Gweiloman]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually it would make sense for Russia to bomb their pipeline. That way they could claim that they want to restore natural gas supplies to Europe but can't because of the dastardly act committed by some western malefactor.

You are the only expert that I have heard promoting this scenario. When will you be uploading your video?. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

 

 

Yes, the war can also be probably stopped the way you all suggested. However, it’s naive to think that will happen. So the war will continue and Europe (and probably Russia as well) will continue to suffer. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face lol. 

Yep Putin' nose is certainly out of joint, he's facing a revolt from his own officials and propaganists. All in Ukraine are united.

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

 

 

Yes, the war can also be probably stopped the way you all suggested. However, it’s naive to think that will happen. So the war will continue and Europe (and probably Russia as well) will continue to suffer. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face lol. 

You mean Putin being the one cutting off his nose right?

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

If Putin stops the illegal invasion the war stops immediately and no further innocent civilians will be killed, murdered and raped.

Yes, but that would be suicidal for Putin. 

Houston -- we've got a problem. 

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10 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

 

 

Yes, the war can also be probably stopped the way you all suggested. However, it’s naive to think that will happen. So the war will continue and Europe (and probably Russia as well) will continue to suffer. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face lol. 

Well, as the Ukrainians might say, better to cut off your nose than to have your throat slit. UN investigators have reported on the atrocities committed by the Russians. Imagine what they could do if given free rein.

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1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

You are the only expert that I have heard promoting this scenario. When will you be uploading your video?. 

You should get out more.

[Gweiloman]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Garbage.

Putin the Horrible would then continue and annex the entire country.

There are no equivalents here. Putin invaded. Putin is doing sham annexations. Ukraine is DEFENDING. 

Well, neither of us can say for sure what Putin will do if the west stops the weapons supply.

 

Many experts say that Putin is losing the war. So if the weapons supply stop, it’s would make sense for Putin to take this opportunity and to stop fighting a losing war.

 

Ukraine surely knows that NATO will not accept their membership. Even if they did, it is very likely that one or more of the current members will block it. This application is to further provoke and antagonise Russia. I can’t imagine that Zelensky is so naive to want to do this so obviously, there is another country pulling Zelensky’s strings. Wonder who can that be. Cui bono…

[rabas]

5 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Well, neither of us can say for sure what Putin will do if the west stops the weapons supply.

Take a look at what Putin was doing before the West started supplying weapons...

 

There's your sign.

 

 

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[Gweiloman]

So in spite of the flood of posts in the last few minutes, we are still at square one. The war is not stopping anytime soon, no one has suggested a plausible solution. 
 

I wonder how bad the suffering for Europeans will be. Continued inflation, almost certain recession, inevitable bankruptcies, innocent citizens possibly freezing to death, unaffordable energy costs…

 

Luckily, my daughters in the UK will be fine

[Lacessit]

On 10/1/2022 at 5:41 PM, jastheace said:

The weather forecast with wind speed/ direction/ precipitation will be considered carefully should it come to the lunatic's decision to carry out this act of terrorism. He has no thoughts for any other nation except his own.

He has no thoughts for his own nation either. Sending young untrained conscripts to be cannon fodder shows how desperate Putin has become to ensure his own survival.

 

What has he got to show for 8 months of war? A ruined economy, a pariah nation, a discredited army. The nations who bought military equipment from Russia are watching it get slaughtered in battle.

 

Although Putin may give the order to use a nuke, it still has to be executed by the military. I suspect those responsible for actual use will be thinking hard about their survival too.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

So in spite of the flood of posts in the last few minutes, we are still at square one. The war is not stopping anytime soon, no one has suggested a plausible solution. 
 

I wonder how bad the suffering for Europeans will be. Continued inflation, almost certain recession, inevitable bankruptcies, innocent citizens possibly freezing to death, unaffordable energy costs…

 

Luckily, my daughters in the UK will be fine

Yes there's a very plausible solution being carried out right now by Ukraine and its supporters, Russia is losing territory and will be kicked out.

[Gweiloman]

10 minutes ago, rabas said:

Take a look at what Putin was doing before the West started supplying weapons...

 

There's your sign.

 

 

I believe he was trying to create a buffer zone, something that any threatened person would do.

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2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

So in spite of the flood of posts in the last few minutes, we are still at square one. The war is not stopping anytime soon, no one has suggested a plausible solution. 
 

I wonder how bad the suffering for Europeans will be. Continued inflation, almost certain recession, inevitable bankruptcies, innocent citizens possibly freezing to death, unaffordable energy costs…

 

Luckily, my daughters in the UK will be fine

You sure the war won't end soon?

 

I think Ukrainians are Europeans. And the consequences of a Russian victory are far worse for them.

 

I'm guessing your remark about your daughters' situation in the UK is some kind of joke.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

I believe he was trying to create a buffer zone, something that any threatened person would do.

You missed his Peter the Great Speech

 

Putin compares himself to Peter the Great in quest to take back Russian lands

Putin’s remarks proved that his complaints about historical injustice, eastward Nato expansion, and other grievances with the west were all a facade for a traditional war of conquest.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I believe he was trying to create a buffer zone, something that any threatened person would do.

Are you having a laugh?!?

His first target was Kyiv and actively trying to murder Zelinsky and his family.

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

So in spite of the flood of posts in the last few minutes, we are still at square one. The war is not stopping anytime soon, no one has suggested a plausible solution. 
 

I wonder how bad the suffering for Europeans will be. Continued inflation, almost certain recession, inevitable bankruptcies, innocent citizens possibly freezing to death, unaffordable energy costs…

 

Luckily, my daughters in the UK will be fine

One plausible solution is to place a reward of 1 billion US dollars on Putin's head.

All it takes is one Russian general to lead a column of tanks to the Kremlin. That level of reward would stimulate quite a lot of thought among the military.

Putin is getting rid of quite a few oligarchs, for all the generals know they could be next.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Gweiloman said:

Well, then we have nothing to worry about and all these debates will be moot.All those experts on CNN, MSNBC etc should just subscribe to this forum and get all the information they need. CIA too.

No need, plenty on Russian state TV echoing the same thing on how badly they are doing

[Gweiloman]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You sure the war won't end soon?

 

I think Ukrainians are Europeans. And the consequences of a Russian victory are far worse for them.

 

I'm guessing your remark about your daughters' situation in the UK is some kind of joke.

Ukrainians are as much Europeans as Russians are. Read into that as you like.

 

My remark about my daughters is not a joke. I’m naturally worried about their wellbeing, whether it be from nuclear fallout or spiking costs of living.

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I believe he was trying to create a buffer zone, something that any threatened person would do.

Putin has stated repeatedly the fall of the Soviet Union was the worst thing that has happened to Russia, and that he wants to create the SU all over again. That's not a buffer zone, that's subjugating other nations.

Russia was doing quite well before Putin's brain fart. He was probably close to the richest man in the world, thanks to Russian exports of oil and gas to an energy-hungry Europe. That is all gone now.

Like all kleptomaniacs, there cannot be enough money and land for Putin.