Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[RayC]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Most Brit people had no problem with Germans, Spanish, French or the other civilized Euro people entering and working. Just the cheap 3rd world East European labourers and criminals.

 

PS. I didn't want Brexit and am not a Brexiteer, I always intended to retire in France which Brexit prevented.

I'm making an assumption here, but given that you seem to have a certain disdain for East Europeans, I imagine that you are not over-keen on Algerians, Moroccans, Cameroonians, etc? Plenty of individuals from these nations and a fair few East Europeans in France. 

 

Looks like you had a narrow escape, and that Brexit did you a favour.

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

Looks like you had a narrow escape, and that Brexit did you a favour.

I was going to buy a 'fixer upper' rural farm with a barn and some woodland and grow cannabis, drink cheap wine and eat lots of cheese. 

 

Sadly I can't meet the post-Brexit residency requirements.

 

[RayC]

22 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There are special working visas for people working in "berry picking" and other seasonal work .

 

   https://www.gov.uk/seasonal-worker-visa

So a Romanian fruit-picker decides to go abroad to work next summer.

 

The UK process: 3 months processing time minimum; may need an interview; needs a sponsor; may get refused and, oh yes, £259 application fee.

 

The EU process: Tip up in one of 26 countries. Ask the local farmers if they have any work.

 

Can't see the UK countryside being overrun by East Europeans next summer.

[RayC]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I was going to buy a 'fixer upper' rural farm with a barn and some woodland and grow cannabis, drink cheap wine and eat lots of cheese. 

 

I guess if you smoked enough weed and drank enough wine, you might have been able to forget about the East Europeans and other undesirables working in the nearby fields.

[johnnybangkok]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K will have to train its workforce to do the jobs , can no longer just take Europe's workers anymore 

Oh the originality.

Do you not think every single government since unemployment begin hasn't thought of this? The issue is location.

Large swathes of the unemployed come from cities and large towns. The jobs you speak of need to be close by or they become only available to the young who are the only ones who can easily up-root. If you worked as a skilled machinist in a factory in Newcastle, with a wife, 3 kids, a mortgage and family around you, there's no amount of re-training that's going to make you up-root all of that to take a hospital porters job in (insert shi!!y town name here).

Unemployment is much more nuanced than just 're-train the peasants!'   

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Oh the originality.

Do you not think every single government since unemployment begin hasn't thought of this? The issue is location.

Large swathes of the unemployed come from cities and large towns. The jobs you speak of need to be close by or they become only available to the young who are the only ones who can easily up-root. If you worked as a skilled machinist in a factory in Newcastle, with a wife, 3 kids, a mortgage and family around you, there's no amount of re-training that's going to make you up-root all of that to take a hospital porters job in (insert shi!!y town name here).

Unemployment is much more nuanced than just 're-train the peasants!'   

Looking at my map , Newcastle is a lot closer than Bucharest is and young single British people can and will travel and live where the work is 

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20 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Looking at my map , Newcastle is a lot closer than Bucharest is and young single British people can and will travel and live where the work is 

I remember from Through the Looking Glass the White Queen says +Jam yesterday and jam tomorrow but never jam today." You claim that "young single British people can and will travel and live where the work is. But are they?

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I remember from Through the Looking Glass the White Queen says +Jam yesterday and jam tomorrow but never jam today." You claim that "young single British people can and will travel and live where the work is. But are they?

Yes, they are . 

A big problem is accommodation costs and availability , accommodation is expensive compared to salaries and landlords often want long term tenants ,

  But many Uni students travel to study and work in different locations 

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2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, they are . 

A big problem is accommodation costs and availability , accommodation is expensive compared to salaries and landlords often want long term tenants ,

  But many Uni students travel to study and work in different locations 

I was unconvinced by the factual nature of your claim until you invoked the magic word "many".

[Bluespunk]

37 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Looking at my map , Newcastle is a lot closer than Bucharest is and young single British people can and will travel and live where the work is 

Will they? Don’t seem to be doing so.

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4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, they are . 

A big problem is accommodation costs and availability , accommodation is expensive compared to salaries and landlords often want long term tenants ,

  But many Uni students travel to study and work in different locations 

Do you believe that University students will be replacing the workers who came from the EU? That their studies are aimed at performing that kind of work?

[chang50]

3 hours ago, puchooay said:

In your opinion.

 

 

Pointless observation.Who else's opinion would it be?

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I was unconvinced by the factual nature of your claim until you invoked the magic word "many".

I am involved with Uni Students looking for accommodation and there are indeed hundreds of Uni students in my local area looking for accommodation  and nearly all of them have part time jobs or will be seeking employment and they are looking for accommodation because they come from somewhere else

[chang50]

3 hours ago, puchooay said:

In your opinion.

 

 

Pointless observation.Who else's opinion would it be?

[chang50]

3 hours ago, puchooay said:

In your opinion.

 

 

Pointless observation.Who else's opinion would it be?

[johnnybangkok]

38 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Looking at my map , Newcastle is a lot closer than Bucharest is and young single British people can and will travel and live where the work is 

And the example I gave? 
Is Dec from Newcastle (that’s his name now) with his wife and three kids and family all around going to “travel and live where the work is?”

I made the point about it being a young man’s thing for a reason. There’s no excuse for the young to not get off their lazy ar$e and go find work, I did it myself and was a much better person for it. But it’s a very different thing for someone over 40 with family their life all around them. Very different. 

[chang50]

3 hours ago, puchooay said:

In your opinion.

 

 

Every post on this thread is the author's opinion...

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3 minutes ago, chang50 said:

Every post on this thread is the author's opinion...

But too many are uninformed.

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And the example I gave? 
Is Dec from Newcastle (that’s his name now) with his wife and three kids and family all around going to “travel and live where the work is?”

I made the point about it being a young man’s thing for a reason. There’s no excuse for the young to not get off their lazy ar$e and go find work, I did it myself and was a much better person for it. But it’s a very different thing for someone over 40 with family their life all around them. Very different. 

He seems to be doing quite well for himself , left Byker Grove in the 1990's and hasn't looked back ????

  Currently living in a jungle somewhere 

[Chomper Higgot]

Anyhow, now no longer fettered by EU Regulations on Bananas the UK economy is presumably booming.

 

Except it isn’t.

[Mac Mickmanus]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Do you believe that University students will be replacing the workers who came from the EU? That their studies are aimed at performing that kind of work?

Many have casual part time  jobs , like working in the NHS , care homes ,  Sainsburys, coffee shops and numerous other places 

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3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Many have casual part time  jobs , like working in the NHS , care homes ,  Sainsburys, coffee shops and numerous other places 

Does "many" = "enough"?

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3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Many have casual part time  jobs , like working in the NHS , care homes ,  Sainsburys, coffee shops and numerous other places 

Are these the only venues in need of workers?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Are these the only venues in need of workers?

Is that one of those questions that you know the answer to ?

Like, would you expect me to reply with "Yes" , "its just NHS , coffee shops and Sainsburys that have vacancies" ?

  Of course I am not going to say "Yes"

[3NUMBAS]

aus is bad with its dollar in the toilet and not much being made these days ,,just mining fossil fuels and it never had a brexit to blame

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Many have casual part time  jobs , like working in the NHS , care homes ,  Sainsburys, coffee shops and numerous other places 

This was always the case.

 

But it isn’t filling the UK’s skills gap.

 

https://www.cbi.org.uk/articles/labour-shortages-are-holding-back-growth/

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

aus is bad with its dollar in the toilet and not much being made these days ,,just mining fossil fuels and it never had a brexit to blame

Australia survives on selling its natural resources, mostly with very little added value.

 

 

[josephbloggs]

6 hours ago, candide said:

Not stupid. I am sure local supermarkets or shops are quite happy to be sure of what they get when they order a box of bananas from any supplier. Moreover, having the choice different qualities at different prices allows them to match the needs and buying power of their customer base.

Don't introduce logic and thought - the Daily Mail said bendy bananas are banned so it must be so!!  Damn faceless EU bureaucrats!

 

Again I would urge anyone to Google "Stewart Lee Brexit" as he sums it up perfectly - including the bananas. He sees both sides. I could get in to trouble for posting the link as it contains some language.  4 minute clip, please Google it everyone.

[puchooay]

2 hours ago, chang50 said:

Pointless observation.

Is that why you've said it 3 times?????????????????????????????

[Mac Mickmanus]

14 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Complete lie, nothing was going to waste. The banana rule was only a classification of grades of quality, nothing more.

 

 

"Around 26 of the EU's 36 directives will be abolished, although minimum standards will remain on goods including apples, lettuces and peaches.

Michael Mann, spokesman for the European Commission, said: 'People are saying prices are too high; it makes no sense to chuck food away."

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026905/Crooked-cucumbers-bendy-bananas-supermarket-shelves.html

 

  I wont ask for an apology or a retraction of your claim that I was lying