Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, roo860 said:

In the town I lived in up until this year, 15 Indian and kebab restaurant/takeaways and 1 Macdonalds, that's without about 10 Chinese restaurant/takeaways.

That's a town of about 22,000 people.

22 000 fat people ? ????

[Saanim]

36 minutes ago, RayC said:

And yet ....

https://theconversation.com/the-polish-people-support-the-eu-its-their-government-that-continues-to-antagonise-brussels-170324

 

If you don't want to read all of the article, one part states that support for the EU among the Polish public stood at 88% in December 2020, and has never dipped below 72%.

 

A pretty emphatic vote of confidence wouldn't you agree?ow did the golf go?

If you believe the media... BTW 1 year ago. 

 

Quote

Who we are: The Conversation was founded in Melbourne, Australia in 2011. It now operates as a global network of sites with dedicated teams working in Australia, the US, the UK, France, Africa, Indonesia, Spain and Canada. Pitches must go direct to these bureaux. A collection of some of the best and most internationally relevant work produced across the network is found here.

Surely they know a lot about Poland...

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

All peachy then.

 

Until you need a Dentist, a GP appointment, the Police to attend a crime in progress, care in old age, a job that pays a living wage, an affordable home.

 

All peachy, and when it’s not there are food banks used by working people who can’t afford food.

Some GPS now telling patients requiring urgent care to get an Uber if need to go to hospital…

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/27/gps-tell-patients-to-get-an-uber-as-nhs-ambulance-delays-hit-record-level?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Saanim]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

Thanks, I could only find this:

https://poland.postsen.com/world/139927/Two-minutes-of-bitter-truth-in-the-European-Parliament-Ryszard-Legutko-The-EP-has-done-a-lot-of-damage-in-Europe.html

 

From which comes this quote:

"Call it what you will, but it is not a democracy. In conclusion, the European Parliament represents a demos that does not exist, works on a project that is completely unrealistic, evades responsibility, turns its back on millions of people and serves the interests of a single political orientation. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg". – emphasized Professor Ryszard Legutko.

 

Several similar complaints over the years and I agree, of course.

 

Yeh, it's not really highlighted by the media, but there are few more links, e.g. :

 

“The European Parliament has been sending a false message.” Chairman of the ECR Group, Prof Ryszard Legutko, took the floor during the

@Europarl_EN

's #70th Anniversary commemoration to highlight the shortcomings of so-called European democracy.

@EuroParlPress

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

22 000 fat people ? ????

How funny is that.

 

Fat people to laugh at.

 

Better still, most the fat people are poor, eating the cheapest food available which is always processed, high carb, high sugar, high glycemic index food, on special offer, churned out by the processed food industry and marketed to the poor.

 

Have good laugh why don’t you?!

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Yeh, it's not really highlighted by the media, but there are few more links, e.g. :

 

“The European Parliament has been sending a false message.” Chairman of the ECR Group, Prof Ryszard Legutko, took the floor during the

@Europarl_EN

's #70th Anniversary commemoration to highlight the shortcomings of so-called European democracy.

@EuroParlPress

Legutko, another far right talking head.

On the upside, he has absolutely nothing to say on why the UK is struggling more than countries.

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Saanim said:

If you believe the media... BTW 1 year ago. 

 

Surely they know a lot about Poland...

Of course, silly me, it's yet another MSM conspiracy.

 

Yes, an article from a year ago, quoting a survey from 2 years ago. Has Polish public opinion changed that much since then?

 

So because 'The Conversation' is based in Australia, any articles about Europe therefore lack validity?

 

Oh yes, btw I guess that you didn't notice the name of the author and/or check her background: An academic with a speciality in East European politics.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

22 000 fat people ? ????

No, the customers of the Chinese restaurant are probably slim ????

[RayC]

58 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Yeh, it's not really highlighted by the media, but there are few more links, e.g. :

 

“The European Parliament has been sending a false message.” Chairman of the ECR Group, Prof Ryszard Legutko, took the floor during the

@Europarl_EN

's #70th Anniversary commemoration to highlight the shortcomings of so-called European democracy.

@EuroParlPress

That is just 4 minutes of empty rhetoric which had no argument to support his premise.

 

On second thoughts, maybe he does have a point: The European parliament probably is failing its' citizens if he is an indication of the calibre of the MPs.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, RayC said:

And yet ....

https://theconversation.com/the-polish-people-support-the-eu-its-their-government-that-continues-to-antagonise-brussels-170324

 

If you don't want to read all of the article, one part states that support for the EU among the Polish public stood at 88% in December 2020, and has never dipped below 72%.

 

A pretty emphatic vote of confidence wouldn't you agree?

 

How did the golf go? Did you win?

I guess from that, then you might support national referendums in Poland then?

 

Golf was good except for a slip of the mouse on the 15th.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, RayC said:

Bit more nuanced than that.

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/margaret-thatcher-the-critical-architect-of-european-integration/

 

Unless there's a medium on the job, I guess that we will never know.

The article is pretty good but seems to agree with my comment. She was pro EEC when she entered office but had turned ten years later, after the scale of intended political integration became clear to her. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by nauseus
entered

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Saanim said:

Yeh, it's not really highlighted by the media, but there are few more links, e.g. :

 

“The European Parliament has been sending a false message.” Chairman of the ECR Group, Prof Ryszard Legutko, took the floor during the

@Europarl_EN

's #70th Anniversary commemoration to highlight the shortcomings of so-called European democracy.

@EuroParlPress

Not really highlighted by the media? How can that be? Oh, wait a minute.

 

Thanks for the vid. Key word there accountability.

 

Good man obviously not popular amongst his gravy-slurping colleagues.

[Saanim]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Legutko, another far right talking head.

On the upside, he has absolutely nothing to say on why the UK is struggling more than countries.

It has something to say why the UK left (luckily) the EU and how now (without UK so powerful one) are the remaining EUists being handled to their inevitable downfall...   

 

How the Legutko is popular among his MEP colleagues shows the (nearly) standing ovations... 

[Saanim]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

Of course, silly me, it's yet another MSM conspiracy.

 

Yes, an article from a year ago, quoting a survey from 2 years ago. Has Polish public opinion changed that much since then?

 

So because 'The Conversation' is based in Australia, any articles about Europe therefore lack validity?

 

Oh yes, btw I guess that you didn't notice the name of the author and/or check her background: An academic with a speciality in East European politics.

A poll when 88% of population is in a favor of something over their real reach? It reminds...

(how - and by who - is such a polling financed? paying an academic with speciallity...) 

[kwilco]

Somebody mentioned Greece earlier.... as a reason for Brexit. Well they have kept dien energy and food prices, controlled their debt problem and are getting a 1.8% growth in the economy.

UK, thanks to a series of Brexit PMs, are now in recession with massive rises in the basics ... staple foods and energy.

They are almost on the verge of a general strike.

By being outside the EU, the UK is in too weak a position to protect against these things.

Edited November 28, 2022 by kwilco

[RayC]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

I guess from that, then you might support national referendums in Poland then?

 

Why have you reached that conclusion?

[RayC]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The article is pretty good but seems to agree with my comment. She was pro EEC when she entered office but had turned ten years later, after the scale of intended political integration became clear to her. 

Would Thatcher have pulled the UK out of the EU, or would she have fought for her beliefs inside the bloc? Both sides can make a case.

 

The only fact is that we will never know the answer.

[puchooay]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I wasn’t relying on anything in the media, I was seeing it firsthand.

How strange.

 

When I posted something I'd experienced first hand you would not accept it as I couldn't post a link.

 

One rule for one.............

[puchooay]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

All peachy, and when it’s not there are food banks used by working people who can’t afford food.

Working people should not be using foodbanks. Not if they are working a decent working week. 

 

Those that moan and moan about governments over spending, wasting money or making bad decisions should look at themselves.

Edited November 28, 2022 by puchooay

[puchooay]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

most the fat people are poor, eating the cheapest food available which is always processed, high carb, high sugar, high glycemic index food,

Fat people would generally eat that kind-of food anyway. Nothing to do with being poor. 

[RayC]

13 minutes ago, Saanim said:

A poll when 88% of population is in a favor of something over their real reach?

Yes, quite a majority of the Polish public seem to be in favour of EU membership. 

 

13 minutes ago, Saanim said:

 

It reminds...

(how - and by who - is such a polling financed?

You don't like the conclusion therefore you introduce the concept of survey bias without a shred of evidence to support this view.

 

13 minutes ago, Saanim said:

paying an academic with speciallity...) 

On the one hand, you dismiss 'The Consersation' because it is based in Australia, on the other hand, you dismiss a European academic specialising in East European politics?

 

It appears that Mr. Legutko is the only source which you trust.

 

[Saanim]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Yes, quite a majority of the Polish public seem to be in favour of EU membership. 

 

You don't like the conclusion therefore you introduce the concept of survey bias without a shred of evidence to support this view.

 

On the one hand, you dismiss 'The Consersation' because it is based in Australia, on the other hand, you dismiss a European academic specialising in East European politics?

 

It appears that Mr. Legutko is the only source which you trust.

 

There is a lot of what you insinuated. But yes, I do not trust any such poll. What about you? Are you familiar somehow with the Polish public?

 

And I haven't known prof. Legutko until I read about his very good EU assessment. Do you think that's not true what he said?

 

 

 

 

[Kwasaki]

28 minutes ago, Saanim said:

And I haven't known prof. Legutko until I read about his very good EU assessment. 

Did he mention how long before the EU collapses. 

[candide]

36 minutes ago, Saanim said:

There is a lot of what you insinuated. But yes, I do not trust any such poll. What about you? Are you familiar somehow with the Polish public?

 

And I haven't known prof. Legutko until I read about his very good EU assessment. Do you think that's not true what he said?

 

 

 

 

In case there was any doubt (there wasn't), the Polish people certainly don't want to leave the EU after the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

Edited November 28, 2022 by candide

[Kwasaki]

Just now, candide said:

In case there was any doubt (there wasn't), the Polish people certainly don't want to leave the EU after the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

You mean NATO, UK still belongs and contribute's more than the many ponces in the EU. 

[JonnyF]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Better still, most the fat people are poor, eating the cheapest food available which is always processed, high carb, high sugar, high glycemic index food, on special offer, churned out by the processed food industry and marketed to the poor.

Actually it would be cheaper for them to buy the ingredients and cook a healthy meal, but many are simply too lazy to do that.

 

So they buy ready meals off the shelf. Even then, there are ready meals that are healthy and the packaging clearly states fat, sodium content etc. but many are just not interested. Why buy fruit when you can buy crisps and chocolate?

 

All this talk of using food banks but the obesity levels in the UK are staggering. The same people also seem to be able to find the cash for bad tattoos as well.

 

Money for tats? Check

Money for fags? Check

Money for booze? Check

Money for iPhone? Check

Money for food? Blame the Tories for forcing me to get a job or use foodbanks.

[bannork]

12 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

You mean NATO, UK still belongs and contribute's more than the many ponces in the EU. 

 

17 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Did he mention how long before the EU collapses. 

The western Balkan nations and Ukraine want to join the EU. Even Le Pen's daughter and the right wing current Italian leader have no intention of leaving the world's largest free trading bloc.

If anything, Russia's invasion of Ukraine has reminded Europeans how essential it is they are united. Both NATO and the EU benefit from this.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, puchooay said:

Working people should not be using foodbanks. Not if they are working a decent working week. 

 

Those that moan and moan about governments over spending, wasting money or making bad decisions should look at themselves.

What on earth does ‘a decent working week’ mean?

 

Meanwhile:

 

Those that hold Government to critical account are exercising their democratic rights to do so.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, puchooay said:

Fat people would generally eat that kind-of food anyway. Nothing to do with being poor. 

Wrong.

 

Poverty reduces choice and the high calorie, high glycemic index, high sugar foods are cheaper, hence the choice available to people on low incomes. 
 

Hence 

 

“The impact of deprivation on obesity rates is deeply concerning, with adults in the most deprived regions having almost double the prevalence of obesity compared with the least deprived (36% compared with 20%). The effect of deprivation upon childhood obesity is even more alarming. In 2018/19, the prevalence of obesity in children aged 10–11 was 27% in the most deprived areas and 13% in the least deprived areas. The gap in obesity prevalence between children from the most deprived and least deprived areas is stark and growing, with an increase from 8.5% in 2006/7 to 13.9% in 2018/19.”

 

https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/news/health-inequalities-and-obesity

[candide]

31 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

You mean NATO, UK still belongs and contribute's more than the many ponces in the EU. 

I mean both. It's not only a defense issue, It's about not being under any type of influence from Russia.

Edited November 28, 2022 by candide